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I don't think censoring what actually happens to people in the real world as fellow riders on their rides is necessarily in the best interest of the forum. It is what it is. Don't like it, work on exposing it so we can change it.
I'm pretty sure I posted up about my ride yesterday, and it's gone. If it was deleted I'm a bit disappointed in BF. Especially given the troll level junk that constantly goes on in the General and Road forums.
I'm pretty sure I posted up about my ride yesterday, and it's gone. If it was deleted I'm a bit disappointed in BF. Especially given the troll level junk that constantly goes on in the General and Road forums.
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Is it reasonable to estimate ~30 TSS an hour for snowboarding, especially in powder?
Just trying to figure out how to input it into the overall training/fatigue tracking ecosystem. I guess I could ride with a hrm...?
Just trying to figure out how to input it into the overall training/fatigue tracking ecosystem. I guess I could ride with a hrm...?
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I ski and find it fatiguing due to its neuromuscular demand. I think 30 or more TSS per hour is fine but I am not sure about equivalence to cycling.
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I don't think censoring what actually happens to people in the real world as fellow riders on their rides is necessarily in the best interest of the forum. It is what it is. Don't like it, work on exposing it so we can change it.
I'm pretty sure I posted up about my ride yesterday, and it's gone. If it was deleted I'm a bit disappointed in BF. Especially given the troll level junk that constantly goes on in the General and Road forums.
I'm pretty sure I posted up about my ride yesterday, and it's gone. If it was deleted I'm a bit disappointed in BF. Especially given the troll level junk that constantly goes on in the General and Road forums.
Discussing moderation decisions in the open forums is verboten. That said, umm it's a private forum. It also seems unlikely regardless, unless you were off the rails and someone would have written you. Best to just repost or write a moderator and ask.
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Equivalence isn't necessarily relevant. To my mind it's about tracking fatigue. If I do something that adds to my fatigue I write it down. Might the number be imperfect? Sure. But I find it's better to have some number down for things like hiking, for example.
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3 hours of tempo work on the trainer.
CTL = 97
Time to head to FLA to do some camping.
CTL = 97
Time to head to FLA to do some camping.
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Yeah honestly I think on thurs/Fri last week it might have been even higher because of the conditions. On Friday I ended up riding with a friend's mom who's a pretty phenomenal skier. Helluva workout to keep up with someone like that especially on moguls lol.
On the bike front, tried to do 5x6 min ftp intervals yesterday and called it after 3 😂😂😂😂
On the bike front, tried to do 5x6 min ftp intervals yesterday and called it after 3 😂😂😂😂
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Driving intervals. Drove 800 miles today. Somewhere in NC. My brain is nothing but static.
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Yeah honestly I think on thurs/Fri last week it might have been even higher because of the conditions. On Friday I ended up riding with a friend's mom who's a pretty phenomenal skier. Helluva workout to keep up with someone like that especially on moguls lol.
On the bike front, tried to do 5x6 min ftp intervals yesterday and called it after 3 😂😂😂😂
On the bike front, tried to do 5x6 min ftp intervals yesterday and called it after 3 😂😂😂😂
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I gave myself 50 for the first day where I was just tooling around for 1.5-2 hours and exploring the open terrain since I'd never been to that mountain and I hadn't ridden since march. Gave myself 150 for 4hrs thursday in the 21 inches of powder and 110 for 3hrs in powder/moguls on friday. Then gave myself 50 for 2 hrs this past weds.
Gonna start counting this as part of neuromuscular/strength... and maybe vo2max training. It'll make me feel better about focusing more on tempo/ftp stuff on the bike. I'm hoping to go to the hill 1.5hrs from me atleast once a week if I can swing it between now and mid march when they usually close. Hoping to go twice this upcoming week before the weather goes all poopy. I'm on an overnight call tonight and if I get some sleep I might try going tomorrow afternoon after taking care of some errands etc... but i've also been eyeing this suf workout. I think trying to do both on the same day would be absolutely bonkers
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Gonna head out on the fixie (road) bike for a quick 45-60 min z1 spin to cap off this rest week. Lets are pretty sore from a ~9 mi hike with >2,000' elevation yesterday. I don't do that so often.
Despite the lack of racing (and my better judgement), I think I'm going to trudge ahead with yet another (third) block of base in January. Targeting 16-17 hrs/week average. Talked it over w/ the wife and I got the green light. Feb/March should bring intervals and less volume, and if road and track aren't up and running by April (doubtful), hey at least I should be good for Zwift. She suggested maybe seeing if there are any bigger multi-day Zwift events that I can target in the Spring.
Here's what I'm thinking for next week:
M: 1.5 hrs Zwift TT bike with some opener type efforts
T: 3 hr Zwift ride z2
W: 1.5 hrs outside w FTP test
Th: 4.5 hrs Z2 road
F: off
S/Su: 6-7 over the weekend somehow, all Z2 and preferably outdoors
Despite the lack of racing (and my better judgement), I think I'm going to trudge ahead with yet another (third) block of base in January. Targeting 16-17 hrs/week average. Talked it over w/ the wife and I got the green light. Feb/March should bring intervals and less volume, and if road and track aren't up and running by April (doubtful), hey at least I should be good for Zwift. She suggested maybe seeing if there are any bigger multi-day Zwift events that I can target in the Spring.
Here's what I'm thinking for next week:
M: 1.5 hrs Zwift TT bike with some opener type efforts
T: 3 hr Zwift ride z2
W: 1.5 hrs outside w FTP test
Th: 4.5 hrs Z2 road
F: off
S/Su: 6-7 over the weekend somehow, all Z2 and preferably outdoors
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4 sessions, 7 hours 43 min., 127 miles and 379 TSS. That included one 20K TTT and a HIIT session on Fiesta on TT bike: 3 sets of 8x(30”on 1’off). Generally, I do 3 to 6 sets of 10x30/30 but I wanted to try the one minute of rest. It was a chainless day and everything felt easy. The goal was 150% which was not a problem. I am going to bump FTP.
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solid couple of days with 3x20 sweet spot, although yesterday was spread across 2hrs and today was in 90mins so less rest between. I decided to try amp human bicarb solution today which my wife had gotten a little while back. I've only used it once on a ramp test and didn't find it helped so I kind of forgot about it. I had a good workout but I don't think I can really attribute anything to the lotion, and my legs generally don't suffer much during sweet spot, so who knows lol
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Stagnant FTP test this morning, and by that I mean same as last month, 311w for the 20 min. Body weight at 145. But I sort of expected it as it was cold (for here ~40 F) and my motivation/confidence wasn't super high.
Regarding the latter, I've sort of had a pattern the last couple years, a mid-base plateau if you will. After another month of high(er) volume, I'll expect to see a little bump, and then again by early spring after a couple months of intervals and hammering. Onward and upward!
Regarding the latter, I've sort of had a pattern the last couple years, a mid-base plateau if you will. After another month of high(er) volume, I'll expect to see a little bump, and then again by early spring after a couple months of intervals and hammering. Onward and upward!
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I abandoned the Zwift TT tune up plan out of a lack of faith in the people who wrote it, and lack of flexibility of 100% indoors only workouts to the tune of 6 per week. You simply can't have someone do 4 intensity workouts a week with one day off.
So, I wrote a crap ton of custom workouts. Sweetspot. VO2. Under overs. 3x8's. Etc....
Did my own under over workout of 3x9's with 2min under 1min over. I typically prefer the "over" to be a hair higher than most plans do, and the "under" a bit lower than the plans do. I feel injecting a bit more lactic or whatever in that minute to clear in the subsequent 2min raises the bar more than barely moving the needle like the Zwift workouts do. I wrote it so you would have to do 3x9, with an optional skippable rep at the end of each set to make it a 3x12. Just swipe right if you want 3x9's. Don't for 3x12's.
Did the 3x12. Was good. It hurt.
So, I wrote a crap ton of custom workouts. Sweetspot. VO2. Under overs. 3x8's. Etc....
Did my own under over workout of 3x9's with 2min under 1min over. I typically prefer the "over" to be a hair higher than most plans do, and the "under" a bit lower than the plans do. I feel injecting a bit more lactic or whatever in that minute to clear in the subsequent 2min raises the bar more than barely moving the needle like the Zwift workouts do. I wrote it so you would have to do 3x9, with an optional skippable rep at the end of each set to make it a 3x12. Just swipe right if you want 3x9's. Don't for 3x12's.
Did the 3x12. Was good. It hurt.
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Along those lines, I’m becoming more impressed with Trainerroad’s workouts and plan builder. Most days I also run Zwift as a distraction, but I’m following the plan in TR. And you can push the workouts to your Garmin to do outside.
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I do that and Zwift but the problem with Zwift for training rides is the course is distracting, and its dumb stuff. Like if I have to do 380 watts for 20 minutes, and I hit a downhill section on Zwift, mentally I ease up. Its weird but yeah. Tempus Fugit probably helps since its pancake flat (I haven't done structure on Zwift in over a year).
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I wonder if this is where having a dumb trainer is an advantage. Since mine doesn’t react to the game, I just make the watts and it doesn’t feel any different going flat or downhill, my guy just goes faster.
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I had a 10 MJ week last week, doing 12.5 hours and 247 miles. It's the first time I've hit 10 MJ in one week since March of 2018, and it was mostly high Z2 work for the duration which left my legs surprisingly sore but able to go back out each day and do it again with little difficulty.
I've continued this block through this week and have 7 hours and 5800 KJ so far, so with a 70 degree (!!) day on Friday and decent weather Sat and Sunday I hope to do 13-14 hours and maybe 11-12 MJs for the whole week before taking a break next week. CTL is at 89 but without racing and super-hard group rides all year I feel pretty solid with that. Strong, but not necessarily primed or on that ragged edge of performance or being toast.
Apparently I'll now be able to get a vaccine in the next wave in Jan or in Feb, so I might search out some races if any are available this spring.
I've continued this block through this week and have 7 hours and 5800 KJ so far, so with a 70 degree (!!) day on Friday and decent weather Sat and Sunday I hope to do 13-14 hours and maybe 11-12 MJs for the whole week before taking a break next week. CTL is at 89 but without racing and super-hard group rides all year I feel pretty solid with that. Strong, but not necessarily primed or on that ragged edge of performance or being toast.
Apparently I'll now be able to get a vaccine in the next wave in Jan or in Feb, so I might search out some races if any are available this spring.
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did 7x10 intervals building going 88-94% then back down, felt so great, almost too easy. maybe the amp human lotion is helping lol but I did this one a couple of weeks ago and struggled through it (I had done other activity and was probably a bit underfueled, not ideal circumstances) so it's always nice to redeem oneself
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