CORNELO circa 1985 (Colnago?)
11-23-22, 11:18 AM
#26
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Well I know I never made any assumptions regarding Colner in my statement (I mever even mentioned the marque). I wonder why you did not question the Colnago company regarding some of the questions which have been discussed on this forum and others aboit the actual history of Colner. Same with the Rauler name which the builders claim as their own without any tie-in to Colnago's name. Coniderering the ambiguity that rrnains on many Italian marques' histories and specifics, I will just leave it all as a big ? (except the Rauler name origin of course which is documented by the brothers Gozzi). I am certainly not "fighting" for my "fakes" since it is clear what the actual frames are; they were merely branded (original livery, not repainted/redecaled by secondary/tertiary sellers) by the end seller for their own purpose. One being a "Gizeta" sold by shop owned by Gianni Zuffi, but an obvious Patelli brother build. This was common in Italy with shop owners at the time. Of course many teams/riders rebranded frames to satisfy sponsors.
I’d focus on being able to write coherent posts before anything else if I was unfortunate enough to be in your shoes .
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Ik heb echter ook een schuur vol met bastaard-Italianen. Ik heb daar niks tegen, want het zijn voor het merendeel fietsen van een goede kwaliteit, maar geen echte Italianen. Soms is de kwaliteit zo goed dat ik er in de beginjaren van mijn verzamelwoede nog wel eens ben ingetrapt.
Ik kan een hele waslijst van die merken opnoemen. Die is verre van compleet en ik hou me aanbevolen voor aanvullingen.
Daar gaan we: Cornelo van Kokke Sport uit St. Willebrord en Cera van Cees Raas uit ’s-Heerenhoek zijn heel bekende.”
source
https://wielersport.slogblog.nl/post/1/11361
11-23-22, 12:26 PM
#27
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“Brand name: Cornelo
From: Kokke Sport
In: St. Willebrord
Since: 1970s
Special: Had Ernesto Colnago in the circle of friends. That helps. The brand is named after son Corné and then a bit far-Italia”
source
https://haagsehangoren.wordpress.com...ntwintig-goed/
From: Kokke Sport
In: St. Willebrord
Since: 1970s
Special: Had Ernesto Colnago in the circle of friends. That helps. The brand is named after son Corné and then a bit far-Italia”
source
https://haagsehangoren.wordpress.com...ntwintig-goed/
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02-04-23, 12:44 PM
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Apparently "Saarf" assumed that I did not already know the history regarding the Cornelo marque.
He has been unable to provide any information regarding the possibility of the frame being built by Colnago, or being built in collaboration with Colnago. I never assumed it to be; but the the jist of this thread was to shed any definitive light on that particular topic, and not on "fake Colnagos" (which this frame is not since is quite clearly identified as a Cornelo), nor my spelling ("atrocious" per "Saarf", more the proper term would have been horrendous) prowess which for "Saarf's" information is actually oustanding; excepting that when using a mobile device and having severe arthritis in my hands and not really caring about this thread since no answer was forthcoming to the initial query, I did not pay any attention to the script.
The only thing that seemed "atrocious" is "Saarf's" ego since all he needed to say was: "I do not know if the frame in question has any connection to being directly built by Colnago, or to being built in collaboration with Colnago, and I am ignorant on that subject"; which is exactly what he was, as am I still at this point in time.
I apologize if my physical disability caused anyone undue distress!
He has been unable to provide any information regarding the possibility of the frame being built by Colnago, or being built in collaboration with Colnago. I never assumed it to be; but the the jist of this thread was to shed any definitive light on that particular topic, and not on "fake Colnagos" (which this frame is not since is quite clearly identified as a Cornelo), nor my spelling ("atrocious" per "Saarf", more the proper term would have been horrendous) prowess which for "Saarf's" information is actually oustanding; excepting that when using a mobile device and having severe arthritis in my hands and not really caring about this thread since no answer was forthcoming to the initial query, I did not pay any attention to the script.
The only thing that seemed "atrocious" is "Saarf's" ego since all he needed to say was: "I do not know if the frame in question has any connection to being directly built by Colnago, or to being built in collaboration with Colnago, and I am ignorant on that subject"; which is exactly what he was, as am I still at this point in time.
I apologize if my physical disability caused anyone undue distress!
Last edited by le bici di jaco; 02-04-23 at 12:50 PM.
02-06-23, 12:21 AM
#29
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Apparently "Saarf" assumed that I did not already know the history regarding the Cornelo marque.
He has been unable to provide any information regarding the possibility of the frame being built by Colnago, or being built in collaboration with Colnago. I never assumed it to be; but the the jist of this thread was to shed any definitive light on that particular topic, and not on "fake Colnagos" (which this frame is not since is quite clearly identified as a Cornelo), nor my spelling ("atrocious" per "Saarf", more the proper term would have been horrendous) prowess which for "Saarf's" information is actually oustanding; excepting that when using a mobile device and having severe arthritis in my hands and not really caring about this thread since no answer was forthcoming to the initial query, I did not pay any attention to the script.
The only thing that seemed "atrocious" is "Saarf's" ego since all he needed to say was: "I do not know if the frame in question has any connection to being directly built by Colnago, or to being built in collaboration with Colnago, and I am ignorant on that subject"; which is exactly what he was, as am I still at this point in time.
I apologize if my physical disability caused anyone undue distress!
He has been unable to provide any information regarding the possibility of the frame being built by Colnago, or being built in collaboration with Colnago. I never assumed it to be; but the the jist of this thread was to shed any definitive light on that particular topic, and not on "fake Colnagos" (which this frame is not since is quite clearly identified as a Cornelo), nor my spelling ("atrocious" per "Saarf", more the proper term would have been horrendous) prowess which for "Saarf's" information is actually oustanding; excepting that when using a mobile device and having severe arthritis in my hands and not really caring about this thread since no answer was forthcoming to the initial query, I did not pay any attention to the script.
The only thing that seemed "atrocious" is "Saarf's" ego since all he needed to say was: "I do not know if the frame in question has any connection to being directly built by Colnago, or to being built in collaboration with Colnago, and I am ignorant on that subject"; which is exactly what he was, as am I still at this point in time.
I apologize if my physical disability caused anyone undue distress!
you stated Cornelo has Colnago lineage , it does not. Maybe the pain you are in has clouded your mind in being objective .
Last edited by saarf; 02-06-23 at 04:29 AM.
02-06-23, 12:22 AM
#30
Jaco’s a jealous troll
Apparently "Saarf" assumed that I did not already know the history regarding the Cornelo marque.
He has been unable to provide any information regarding the possibility of the frame being built by Colnago, or being built in collaboration with Colnago. I never assumed it to be; but the the jist of this thread was to shed any definitive light on that particular topic, and not on "fake Colnagos" (which this frame is not since is quite clearly identified as a Cornelo), nor my spelling ("atrocious" per "Saarf", more the proper term would have been horrendous) prowess which for "Saarf's" information is actually oustanding; excepting that when using a mobile device and having severe arthritis in my hands and not really caring about this thread since no answer was forthcoming to the initial query, I did not pay any attention to the script.
The only thing that seemed "atrocious" is "Saarf's" ego since all he needed to say was: "I do not know if the frame in question has any connection to being directly built by Colnago, or to being built in collaboration with Colnago, and I am ignorant on that subject"; which is exactly what he was, as am I still at this point in time.
I apologize if my physical disability caused anyone undue distress!
He has been unable to provide any information regarding the possibility of the frame being built by Colnago, or being built in collaboration with Colnago. I never assumed it to be; but the the jist of this thread was to shed any definitive light on that particular topic, and not on "fake Colnagos" (which this frame is not since is quite clearly identified as a Cornelo), nor my spelling ("atrocious" per "Saarf", more the proper term would have been horrendous) prowess which for "Saarf's" information is actually oustanding; excepting that when using a mobile device and having severe arthritis in my hands and not really caring about this thread since no answer was forthcoming to the initial query, I did not pay any attention to the script.
The only thing that seemed "atrocious" is "Saarf's" ego since all he needed to say was: "I do not know if the frame in question has any connection to being directly built by Colnago, or to being built in collaboration with Colnago, and I am ignorant on that subject"; which is exactly what he was, as am I still at this point in time.
I apologize if my physical disability caused anyone undue distress!
CORNELO circa 1985 (Colnago?)”
Perhaps your pain has inhibited your capacity to read as well..,To answer your question , no , nothing to do with Colnago
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“Brand name: Cornelo
From: Kokke Sport
In: St. Willebrord
Since: 1970s
Special: Had Ernesto Colnago in the circle of friends. That helps. The brand is named after son Corné and then a bit far-Italia”
source
https://haagsehangoren.wordpress.com...ntwintig-goed/
Edit”
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He has been unable to provide any information regarding the possibility of the frame being built by Colnago, or being built in collaboration with Colnago. ”
there is no info because Colnago had nothing to do with it, you struggle intellectually to grasp this clearly .
Your neediness is quite staggering , you should ask questions you want answers to yourself, not depend on others . In the number of times I had had the honour of speaking with Sr Colnago, not a minute was wasted on pointlessness .
Last edited by saarf; 02-07-23 at 05:37 AM.
02-06-23, 02:01 AM
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“my spelling ("atrocious" per "Saarf", more the proper term would have been horrendous) prowess which for "Saarf's" information is actually oustanding; ”
Egotistical
”
I apologize if my physical disability caused anyone undue distress!”
apology accepted
re your spelling , if your physical impediment is stopping you waxing lyrical coherently and concisely every time your jealousy is triggered by my posts, use Siri or Alexa maybe?
Egotistical
”
I apologize if my physical disability caused anyone undue distress!”
apology accepted
re your spelling , if your physical impediment is stopping you waxing lyrical coherently and concisely every time your jealousy is triggered by my posts, use Siri or Alexa maybe?
Last edited by saarf; 02-06-23 at 06:02 AM.
02-09-23, 03:25 AM
#33
SAARF WAS WRONG!
Thread Starter
I wonder if the Rauler name origin has been corrected by "_____" (name is not even worth mentioning again)?
See you folks in another year, by the way the Cornelo rides great; I would say the same as a Colnago Super from the 80s.
02-09-23, 04:43 AM
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02-12-23, 08:54 PM
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CORNELO circa 1985 (Colnago?)”
you assume Colnago in your post title clearly
“ I was told by the seller that it was, but I NEVER assumed it to be”
You are clearly confused , I suggest you change the post title .
As usual "Saarf" makes assumptions. I never stated it to be a Colnago frame. I was told by the seller that it was, but I NEVER assumed it to be. Still no reference given as to his opinion of the Cornelo frame since of course we have seen previous mistakes made (see
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you assume Colnago in your post title clearly
“ I was told by the seller that it was, but I NEVER assumed it to be”
You are clearly confused , I suggest you change the post title .
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See you folks in another year, by the way the Cornelo rides great; I would say the same as a Colnago Super from the 80s.
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CORNELO circa 1985 (Colnago?)”
you assume Colnago in your post title clearly
“ I was told by the seller that it was, but I NEVER assumed it to be”
You are clearly confused , I suggest you change the post title .
”
See you folks in another year, by the way the Cornelo rides great; I would say the same as a Colnago Super from the 80s.
again assumption , you clearly have no experience riding the real thing .pity you can’t enjoy your bike for what it is , not what you aspire it to be, almost as pitiful as playing the ‘disability’ card to excuse your infantile spelling every time you have a knee jerk reaction to what you’ve been told.
l was with Ernesto for his 91st birthday last week , family invite . As your so keen on the brand , check out the party action here
https://saarf.london/2023/02/11/erne...e-cambiago-48/
good to see your spelling and grammar have improved , now just work on your ego and manners
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02-13-23, 09:05 AM
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Here you are advised to contact Colnago , which you agree to . What’s stopping you asking your own questions now ? Does someone else tie your shoelaces?
11-11-23, 12:02 PM
#38
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Thanks unworthy1 ,
I certainly do not presume to know what builder made the frame. Even the seller made no definitive claim as to its origin (bought in Austria). The Dutch bike website implied that Cornelo frames were outsourced (Italy [Colnago?], and Belgium), and built up inhouse. Saarf states the bikes (presumably frame to complete bike) were made inhouse. Who knows if the stem was original from the Kokke shop or added later.
Did Colnago make their own BB shells, or were they outsourced and then cutout inhouse? I have no knowledge regarding that detail, only that they had various "Clubs" cutouts on most shells (I have seen examples of slotted shells also). If I get a Colnago, I believe I would ensure the shell has that feature as well as the lug cutouts.
There is a newly posted Colnago (I assume) on craigslist in my area, but no view of the BB shell; only 1 photo shown (poorly lit craiglist photo!). It appears to be a newer design (mid 80s?-00s?), but no reference as to a model. It is complete except for wheelset. I am considering buying since it is my size; but maybe too pricey at $700 (probably be gone soon anyways if I don't act quickly). I definitely need to sell the Rauler frameset if I purchase to keep the budget balanced. I will try to post the photo and see what others think as far as authenticity and value. It has Campy gear that I am not familiar with (can't really make out details). I asked for a BB shell bottom view and more photos from seller.
Bianchigirll Did I provide a proper paragraphical format?
I certainly do not presume to know what builder made the frame. Even the seller made no definitive claim as to its origin (bought in Austria). The Dutch bike website implied that Cornelo frames were outsourced (Italy [Colnago?], and Belgium), and built up inhouse. Saarf states the bikes (presumably frame to complete bike) were made inhouse. Who knows if the stem was original from the Kokke shop or added later.
Did Colnago make their own BB shells, or were they outsourced and then cutout inhouse? I have no knowledge regarding that detail, only that they had various "Clubs" cutouts on most shells (I have seen examples of slotted shells also). If I get a Colnago, I believe I would ensure the shell has that feature as well as the lug cutouts.
There is a newly posted Colnago (I assume) on craigslist in my area, but no view of the BB shell; only 1 photo shown (poorly lit craiglist photo!). It appears to be a newer design (mid 80s?-00s?), but no reference as to a model. It is complete except for wheelset. I am considering buying since it is my size; but maybe too pricey at $700 (probably be gone soon anyways if I don't act quickly). I definitely need to sell the Rauler frameset if I purchase to keep the budget balanced. I will try to post the photo and see what others think as far as authenticity and value. It has Campy gear that I am not familiar with (can't really make out details). I asked for a BB shell bottom view and more photos from seller.
Bianchigirll Did I provide a proper paragraphical format?
11-11-23, 08:39 PM
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Celo Europa. Marcel Calborn, Calborne?
11-11-23, 11:11 PM
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Also came to mind, Carnevale - made for him by Medici… graphic font a total lift from Confente.
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Yeah, I think that's the one I was thinking of.
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12-04-23, 02:04 PM
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The Colnago/Colner story is interesting. For those of you with (too much?) time on their hands but with an interest of reading about Colnago/Colners first years I wrote this earlier:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ke-moment.html
There is no doubt about - that in the beginning there were Colners made by Colnago. To the Ijsboerke team. Because of regulations on sponsoring more than one team. What happened later on with Colners sold to the public - of that I do not know anything.
Mine is a good example of what happened at that time. A Colnago branded frame with a Colner branded fork. Built for each other and not a later mis-match.
Edit and PS. It believe it is important to keep the brands Cornelo and Colner apart when discussing. As for Cornelo I have no knowledge at all. A Colnago made Colnago/Colner I own.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ke-moment.html
There is no doubt about - that in the beginning there were Colners made by Colnago. To the Ijsboerke team. Because of regulations on sponsoring more than one team. What happened later on with Colners sold to the public - of that I do not know anything.
Mine is a good example of what happened at that time. A Colnago branded frame with a Colner branded fork. Built for each other and not a later mis-match.
Edit and PS. It believe it is important to keep the brands Cornelo and Colner apart when discussing. As for Cornelo I have no knowledge at all. A Colnago made Colnago/Colner I own.
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12-04-23, 02:42 PM
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The Colnago/Colner story is interesting. For those of you with (too much?) time on their hands but with an interest of reading about Colnago/Colners first years I wrote this earlier:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ke-moment.html
There is no doubt about - that in the beginning there were Colners made by Colnago. To the Ijsboerke team. Because of regulations on sponsoring more than one team. What happened later on with Colners sold to the public - of that I do not know anything.
Mine is a good example of what happened at that time. A Colnago branded frame with a Colner branded fork. Built for each other and not a later mis-match.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ke-moment.html
There is no doubt about - that in the beginning there were Colners made by Colnago. To the Ijsboerke team. Because of regulations on sponsoring more than one team. What happened later on with Colners sold to the public - of that I do not know anything.
Mine is a good example of what happened at that time. A Colnago branded frame with a Colner branded fork. Built for each other and not a later mis-match.
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12-08-23, 08:33 AM
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The Colnago/Colner story is interesting. For those of you with (too much?) time on their hands but with an interest of reading about Colnago/Colners first years I wrote this earlier:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ke-moment.html
There is no doubt about - that in the beginning there were Colners made by Colnago. To the Ijsboerke team. Because of regulations on sponsoring more than one team. What happened later on with Colners sold to the public - of that I do not know anything.
Mine is a good example of what happened at that time. A Colnago branded frame with a Colner branded fork. Built for each other and not a later mis-match.
Edit and PS. It believe it is important to keep the brands Cornelo and Colner apart when discussing. As for Cornelo I have no knowledge at all. A Colnago made Colnago/Colner I own.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ke-moment.html
There is no doubt about - that in the beginning there were Colners made by Colnago. To the Ijsboerke team. Because of regulations on sponsoring more than one team. What happened later on with Colners sold to the public - of that I do not know anything.
Mine is a good example of what happened at that time. A Colnago branded frame with a Colner branded fork. Built for each other and not a later mis-match.
Edit and PS. It believe it is important to keep the brands Cornelo and Colner apart when discussing. As for Cornelo I have no knowledge at all. A Colnago made Colnago/Colner I own.
nice story , but not relative to this Cornelo wannabe Colnago thread
12-08-23, 08:35 AM
#45
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no you are
“Edit and PS. It believe it is important to keep the brands Cornelo and Colner apart when discussing. As for Cornelo I have no knowledge at all. A Colnago made Colnago/Colner I own.”
we are discussing Cornelo and bici di jaco’s pretense that he wishes it to be Colnago
Colnago has nothing to do with Cornelo
“Edit and PS. It believe it is important to keep the brands Cornelo and Colner apart when discussing. As for Cornelo I have no knowledge at all. A Colnago made Colnago/Colner I own.”
we are discussing Cornelo and bici di jaco’s pretense that he wishes it to be Colnago
Colnago has nothing to do with Cornelo
12-08-23, 08:39 AM
#46
Jaco’s a jealous troll
Edit and PS. It believe it is important to keep the brands Cornelo and Colner apart when discussing. As for Cornelo I have no knowledge at all. A Colnago made Colnago/Colner I own.
12-08-23, 09:02 AM
#47
Jaco’s a jealous troll
The Colnago/Colner story is interesting. For those of you with (too much?) time on their hands but with an interest of reading about Colnago/Colners first years I wrote this earlier:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ke-moment.html
There is no doubt about - that in the beginning there were Colners made by Colnago. To the Ijsboerke team. Because of regulations on sponsoring more than one team. What happened later on with Colners sold to the public - of that I do not know anything.
Mine is a good example of what happened at that time. A Colnago branded frame with a Colner branded fork. Built for each other and not a later mis-match.
Edit and PS. It believe it is important to keep the brands Cornelo and Colner apart when discussing. As for Cornelo I have no knowledge at all. A Colnago made Colnago/Colner I own.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ke-moment.html
There is no doubt about - that in the beginning there were Colners made by Colnago. To the Ijsboerke team. Because of regulations on sponsoring more than one team. What happened later on with Colners sold to the public - of that I do not know anything.
Mine is a good example of what happened at that time. A Colnago branded frame with a Colner branded fork. Built for each other and not a later mis-match.
Edit and PS. It believe it is important to keep the brands Cornelo and Colner apart when discussing. As for Cornelo I have no knowledge at all. A Colnago made Colnago/Colner I own.
this highly regarded Italian states Colner was merely licensed by Colnago , and made by third parties
“Colner cycles (COLNago + ERnesto) was officially founded in 1974, the production of frames and distribution of complete bicycles was entrusted to Velosport, of San Lazzaro di Savena in the province of Bologna. The new brand gave Ernesto Colnago the possibility of racing with two teams at the same time, since 1974 the UCI in fact allowed the possibility of registering only one professional team per brand. The business model was instead that of a medium-high level bicycle line with a production completely independent of Colnago, to be placed on the market at a slightly lower price and with a different distribution, particularly in the regions of southern Italy.
The Colners, characterized by the symbol of the Ace of Spades, soon achieved considerable commercial success, so much so that Mario Martini di Lugo painted 700 of them in the first year alone. The bikes, built with Columbus SL tubes and equipped with Campagnolo groupsets, were of a high standard, very similar to their Colnago Super cousins and, in some cases, even lighter, at least in the first years of production. The project was probably started by Colnago already one or two years earlier, in fact looms built before 1974 are known already with the ace of spades pantographed together with the Colnago clover, after the official presentation of the brand the two symbols were never placed side by side on the same frame.
Colner special Racing Team
In addition to the standard bikes, built and assembled externally to Colnago by artisans such as Romani di Parma, Technotube and Simoncini, Colner also offered tailor-made bikes for various teams, such as the Belgian Usboerke-Colner in '74/75 and the Italian Vibor in '77/78, for which the then rookie Visentini ran, as well as Boifava and Panizza.
These special frames were built and assembled by the expert hands of the Gozzi Brothers (Rauler) of Reggio Emilia and by Lupo Mascheroni.
Graeme Gilmore with Usboerke-Colner team shirt and Colner bike, the details of the conjunctions recall those produced by Gilardi”
source
https://www.frameteller.it/2016/03/31/colner/
12-08-23, 09:03 AM
#48
Jaco’s a jealous troll
The Colnago/Colner story is interesting. For those of you with (too much?) time on their hands but with an interest of reading about Colnago/Colners first years I wrote this earlier:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ke-moment.html
There is no doubt about - that in the beginning there were Colners made by Colnago. To the Ijsboerke team. Because of regulations on sponsoring more than one team. What happened later on with Colners sold to the public - of that I do not know anything.
Mine is a good example of what happened at that time. A Colnago branded frame with a Colner branded fork. Built for each other and not a later mis-match.
Edit and PS. It believe it is important to keep the brands Cornelo and Colner apart when discussing. As for Cornelo I have no knowledge at all. A Colnago made Colnago/Colner I own.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ke-moment.html
There is no doubt about - that in the beginning there were Colners made by Colnago. To the Ijsboerke team. Because of regulations on sponsoring more than one team. What happened later on with Colners sold to the public - of that I do not know anything.
Mine is a good example of what happened at that time. A Colnago branded frame with a Colner branded fork. Built for each other and not a later mis-match.
Edit and PS. It believe it is important to keep the brands Cornelo and Colner apart when discussing. As for Cornelo I have no knowledge at all. A Colnago made Colnago/Colner I own.
Clear doubt Colnago made , just licensed
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“Colner cycles (COLNago + ERnesto) was officially founded in 1974, the production of frames and distribution of complete bicycles was entrusted to Velosport”
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12-09-23, 07:07 AM
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Somewhere up above in all this mess was a reference to Martelly making some of the bikes. Maybe that's the origin of the "Colnago" connection. Martelly certainly was making beautiful frames for awhile that could be mistaken for Colnago...
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Eye, 'C' what duh confused C&V have become. A bunch of delightful campagnola. (translation; country girl)
Anyways, I have this pantographed earlier Chesini frameset of which they later changed font style. Also happened to have this old chainring in the 52t that I'm considering to change out from its 53t. Though it has this pantographed 'C' which might create conflict among you campagnola. Oh, what to do?! cenile crapolo
Anyways, I have this pantographed earlier Chesini frameset of which they later changed font style. Also happened to have this old chainring in the 52t that I'm considering to change out from its 53t. Though it has this pantographed 'C' which might create conflict among you campagnola. Oh, what to do?! cenile crapolo