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Why don't people want to pedal anymore?

Old 09-21-22, 10:54 AM
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All the states i have ridden (I think 38 but I cannot count that high) have Almost the same written rules, which in action work out to be exactly the same laws .... the range of factors which allow taking a lane might differ, but there are always enough options that you can find a rational reason. All require about three feet to pass.Even the states which require riders to use bike lanes have the exceptions clause .....

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Old 09-21-22, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
I just don't get this e-bike craze.
It's the latest "thing" to get. So many get them for that reason alone.

It'll work well (perhaps better, for many) as transportation, even if ditching much of the physical benefit.

Of course, on the question of reckless (even wanton) driving/riding of a vehicle, whether it be a car, bike, skateboard or whatever, there have always been the occasional dolts and mental midgets who can't appreciate grossly-dangerous overtaking and passing speeds constitute a safety risk to everybody, particularly those who don't yet know the idiots are there. (Been "buzzed" by skateboarders, and the occasional impatient bike rider, though I can't recall an e-bike user behaving dangerously with others around. Courteous and safe passing doesn't seem to be nearly as commonplace as it once was, everyone in their own "bubbles" as they are.
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Old 09-21-22, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Clyde1820 View Post
though I can't recall an e-bike user behaving dangerously with others around.
Come to the "big city" and you will see plenty of that, especially among food delivery people. E-scooter kids as well.
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Old 09-21-22, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Come to the "big city" and you will see plenty of that, especially among food delivery people. E-scooter kids as well.
I'm certain of it, in some spots.

Though, for myself, where I bike, I have yet to see it ... near a "big city" and all.
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Old 09-21-22, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
If they end up riding an e-bike more often than they would a regular bike, they will get a higher exercise benefit.

The exercise benefit of a bike that doesn't get ridden is zero.

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Metabolic and Cardiovascular Responses to a Simulated Commute on an E-Bike



The faster times and the lower perceived exertion associated with the e-bike may incentivize active transportation. Further, while the cardiometabolic responses (e.g., HR and V̇O2) were lower for the e-bike, they were indicative of being at or near “moderate intensity,” suggesting that e-bike use may still benefit health-related fitness.
Also, it really doesn't follow that someone couldn't put the same effort into an ebike ride as they do an acoustic bike ride. If someone is pedaling 150 watts for an hour on the acoustic, they could in principle do exactly that on an ebike.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Also, it really doesn't follow that someone couldn't put the same effort into an ebike ride as they do an acoustic bike ride. If someone is pedaling 150 watts for an hour on the acoustic, they could in principle do exactly that on an ebike.
So the title of this thread should be "Why don't people want to pedal any less?"
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My wife wants one. I'm "old school".

My kids like them. But all pedal. My son especially likes the old-school steel. The fact they are so expensive (generally speaking), keeps me from even thinking about them. My son also says he'd rather have a Ducatti Scrambler over an e-bike, if he had a license to drive one. He's a teen. Pretty cool kid.

My wife wanted a Vespa once. To each, their own!
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Old 09-22-22, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mschwett View Post
i think everyone understood the intent there, but yes, stated correctly energy usage averaged 10 watts for a period of 9 hours. “per” vs “for,” a grievous mistake.
Well no, I truly couldn't understand what you were trying to convey there. But thanks for clarifying.
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Originally Posted by Herzlos View Post
2 miles is 12 minutes @ 10m/h, you should be able to do that on a regular bike without getting sweaty assuming any reasonable level of fitness and are taking it easy.
Sounds good in theory, but not realistic due to 2 factors. Uphill climb for about a mile. Our summers are humid. 70-100% humidity most of the time. Humidity is 87% right now as I type this.
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Old 09-22-22, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
Sounds good in theory, but not realistic due to 2 factors. Uphill climb for about a mile. Our summers are humid. 70-100% humidity most of the time. Humidity is 87% right now as I type this.
I start sweating when I look at the bike. A friend said after I ride by they have to mop the street so other cyclists don't slip in the sweat.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
So the title of this thread should be "Why don't people want to pedal any less?"

No, I think the title f the thread should be "Why do other people want things I don't want, and not want things I want?"
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
No, I think the title f the thread should be "Why do other people want things I don't want, and not want things I want?"
it would be nice to direct the malcontents to an app created just for them where the is endless grouching and complaining, called Next Door. A real whiner-fest.
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Old 09-22-22, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Also, it really doesn't follow that someone couldn't put the same effort into an ebike ride as they do an acoustic bike ride. If someone is pedaling 150 watts for an hour on the acoustic, they could in principle do exactly that on an ebike.
I used to disagree, but now agree.

The only person that truly knows if they're still doing the 150w on the ebike outside of a controlled study or experiment is the person riding the ebike.

It's 100% true it can benefit folks to do this. It's just the personal choice to follow through.

I know personally only the folks that chose to do the work on the e-bike. I only can view from a distance many people riding the greenway behind my house not pedalling whatsoever (it's pan flat) choosing to not do the work. I do not know any of those people personally.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
No, I think the title f the thread should be "Why do other people want things I don't want, and not want things I want?"
You might think i am a jerk, (and sometimes you might be right,) but I still enjoy most of your comments.
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
I used to disagree, but now agree.

The only person that truly knows if they're still doing the 150w on the ebike outside of a controlled study or experiment is the person riding the ebike.

It's 100% true it can benefit folks to do this. It's just the personal choice to follow through.

I know personally only the folks that chose to do the work on the e-bike. I only can view from a distance many people riding the greenway behind my house not pedalling whatsoever (it's pan flat) choosing to not do the work. I do not know any of those people personally.

I've definitely seen older people pedaling their ebikes with some effort, and had a conversation with a couple who definitely were doing so because it was more fun to cover the bigger distance for the same effort. I didn't know them, but don't think they were lying.

I don't want an ebike myself, but I don't see anything mysterious about why anyone else would want one regardless of how fit they are. It just means they don't ride for the same purposes I do or at least not the same way I serve that purpose.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
You might think i am a jerk, (and sometimes you might be right,) but I still enjoy most of your comments.

My comment wasn't meant to be any kind of criticism of you, just using my response to imply that I disagree with the way OP framed whatever issue it is we're supposedly discussing in this thread.
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A bit off topic - I just rode the week of Cycle Oregon. They allowed a few E-bikes this year. (I never saw the number.) Mid-week a young lady was hanging at the espresso tent and saying that others didn't get that she had to work too; that the E-bike wasn't a free ride. She heard me say I was tired to the bone. (I wasn't addressing her; just stating the facts after riding a very hard "layover option" ride as a near 70 yo riding a fix gear. Last day she powered past me near the top of the final climb, ~3000' in 10 miles. Later she heard me say roughly the same "tired to the bone". Stated that she got that she had no idea how hard I had worked. She sounded quite humbled.
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
. The point of riding a road bike is after all, pain. If one avoids pain, one also avoids growth, whether physical, mental, or spiritual. I realize that may not be a universal value, but among the cyclists with whom I have ridden, it does seem to be. There's always that hill that's steeper than one wishes it were. That's where the good stuff happens. .

Good gracious, my road bike is a hair shirt? If I wanted major pain with my exhaustion, I'd take up running. I absolutely don't agree that growth requires one not avoid pain. If you're right about that, should we remove the saddle from the seat post? That'll encourage our growth real quick.

I like my road bike because I can ride it fast and for many hours without excruciating pain.
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Originally Posted by Joe Bikerider View Post
No. i am quite comfortable getting passed, as long as proper notice is given. “On your left” or similar. What does make me mad is these moto boys swerving through the bike/walking/jogging traffic at speeds way above what is safe. I wonder are you a Strava disciple? How’s your scoreboard looking?
Do the fully kitted racers boyz doing the same thing also make you mad???
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eBikes are popular on a nearby paved trail that includes a section of pretty nice rollers. I crested over one of the taller rollers and huffing and puffing up the other side was a fairly large woman pushing her eBike up the hill. Sweating, huffing and puffing, she was getting a serious workout from her eBike.

I probably shouldn'ta laughed, but I did.
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eBikes are popular on a nearby paved trail that includes a section of pretty nice rollers. I crested over one of the taller rollers and huffing and puffing up the other side was a fairly large woman pushing her eBike up the hill. Sweating, huffing and puffing, she was getting a serious workout from her eBike.

I probably shouldn'ta laughed, but I did.
On the other side of that coin, there's a wonderful pass in Washington State, Cayuse Pass. From the south, it's about 12 miles of mostly 6%-7%. I once crested it coming from the north, an easier climb. As took a break, a very large and heavy woman was finishing the climb from the south on an MTB. All honors to her! That's how it's done. I clapped, hope she took it the right way.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
No, I think the title f the thread should be "Why do other people want things I don't want, and not want things I want?"
You might think i am a jerk, (and sometimes you might be right,) but I still enjoy most of your comments.
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My comment wasn't meant to be any kind of criticism of you, just using my response to imply that I disagree with the way OP framed whatever issue it is we're supposedly discussing in this thread.
Dude ..... whew.

Your comment had NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. Your comment was an astute insight into the motivating thought (seemingly) behind so many threads on this site.

And though you might have forgotten me (I should let this rest in peace because having forgotten me is pure bliss compared to having to remember me) I am the guy at whom you have aimed (and from whom you have possibly had to dodge) a few barbed statements over the years.

Even if I find your occasional excesses comical (as I do mine own, and most peoples') I have always respected your wisdom, and failed to understand how people can ride so far, so fast, at such a low pace in such a high gear .... yet here you are.

I guess it is the flat shoes that give you wings or something ...... I'd try "livedarklions-style" but my knees complain already even before I ride.

But I don't mind oddity, or its quintessence, uniqueness. So mash on, brother.
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Good gracious, my road bike is a hair shirt? If I wanted major pain with my exhaustion, I'd take up running. I absolutely don't agree that growth requires one not avoid pain. If you're right about that, should we remove the saddle from the seat post? That'll encourage our growth real quick.

I like my road bike because I can ride it fast and for many hours without excruciating pain.
No, not excruciating, just discomfort. Damage is unhelpful. You do get it, of course. A fellow on BF a number of years ago related how he had developed some sort of butt problem, probably 'roids, but I don't really remember. I do remember that, similar to what you say, he removed his seatpost and kept trying to ride. Eventually he was able to go back to his 40 mile group rides, standing the whole way. It worked.

Lactate build-up in the legs happens, even if it's not really lactate that causes the pain (or should I say discomfort?). I remember racing a couple of friends to the top of a local pass, about 90 miles into a training ride for a much harder ride. We stopped at a store at the pass and we all cramped our legs solid after a bit. Out in the parking lot, one of us had emptied a soda bottle which fell over in a wind gust and no one could get their legs to work well enough to chase it down. We were falling-down laughing. The rest of the ride went fine as did the event ride. I don't remember who got to the top first - it didn't matter. We all got a good bump from that 10 miles of hard work.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
You might think i am a jerk, (and sometimes you might be right,) but I still enjoy most of your comments. Dude ..... whew.

Your comment had NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. Your comment was an astute insight into the motivating thought (seemingly) behind so many threads on this site.

And though you might have forgotten me (I should let this rest in peace because having forgotten me is pure bliss compared to having to remember me) I am the guy at whom you have aimed (and from whom you have possibly had to dodge) a few barbed statements over the years.

Even if I find your occasional excesses comical (as I do mine own, and most peoples') I have always respected your wisdom, and failed to understand how people can ride so far, so fast, at such a low pace in such a high gear .... yet here you are.

I guess it is the flat shoes that give you wings or something ...... I'd try "livedarklions-style" but my knees complain already even before I ride.

But I don't mind oddity, or its quintessence, uniqueness. So mash on, brother.

​​​​​​I actually like most of your posts very much, you just drive me nuts from time to time. If I have one piece of advice, it would be to discard the post as soon as you realize you're referring to yourself as "we". It's like a tell that " evil Maelochs" has risen. Basically, I think you have really good practical advice for people, and you're very helpful to beginners with sensible "here's a way to get started" advice. I admire that.
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
Do the fully kitted racers boyz doing the same thing also make you mad???
Tell us, where did the bad, bad cyclist touch you?
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