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Old 09-20-22, 12:16 PM
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Winter jacket advice

I know there have been a lot of threads about jackets for winter. I used a ski jacket that had airways last winter in front and in the back but I always got sweaty wearing a sweater under neath. Can someone give me tips as I was looking at fleeces but hard to tell if they are breathable as top layer even if the company claims it is. At worst I will be reading under -22 F for an hour or so (10-15 miles daily one way). Also no wool stuff combos, thank you.
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Old 09-21-22, 11:41 AM
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I'd think a winter down parka from REI or some such, with only a thinnish synthetic layer under. Down is amazingly breathable. One adjusts effort to prevent getting either sweaty or cold. Expensive though. You want a thin outer and inner of ripstop, and not sewn-through construction. Another approach is to wear a somewhat oversized cycling wind jacket (not waterproof or resistant!) for the top layer, a poly zip-tee next to the skin, like from Craft, then a layer of 100, 200, or 300 fleece depending on temperature and experience. There are also wind jackets made for hikers and climbers which have a hood. Again, nothing water repellent. You can tell if it's the right wind jacket by putting your mouth on it and seeing if you can suck air through the fabric, but only slowly. When I delivered papers on foot in Fairbanks, I made a point of not adding more or warmer clothes until I felt my skin cold under my clothes. That forced me to adapt and be OK with what I had available when it got down to -60. One does adapt to cold as well as to heat.
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There will be argument, but IMO (and opinion of many others), you just can’t get “breathable” And “waterproof” in the same garment. Not in a garment worn for intense physical exercise anyway. If something is breathable…allowing moisture vapors to escape…the moisture can also get in. It would appear that the garment is “breathable” for a body that is doing very easy to moderate activity…i.e. walking…and not something strenuous like moderate to hard cycling. So what it comes down to is that one way or another you’re going to be wet…either sweating from moisture that can’t escape, or from precipitation leaking through. So…I choose the garment/material that will keep me warm (wind proof) when it’s wet. My personal choice for winter wear is, like you, a ski jacket. That is topped with a very thin outer Pearl iZumi polyester windbreaker. I can’t believe how affective those windbreakers are. They’re so thin and lite, but do an OUTSTANDING job at wind breaking. If the weather is dry but just cold…down to about 35°F all I need is a long sleeve shirt, and that windbreaker. But it does not really provide any water resistance.

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Old 09-22-22, 01:38 PM
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I'm a big fan of layers

but -40F on a bike?

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Old 09-22-22, 01:53 PM
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I'd go for a very breathable jacket that goes to around zero (probably with good thermal underwear underneath. When it get still colder, pull a nylon (or equiv) windbreaker over that you can take off mid-ride as you warm up.

For me, the secret is to be warm enough the first 5 miles or so, then be able to shed layers to keep sweat down. Failure to do the first can mean (again, for me) a ride where I never do warm up and cannot get to a good, heat generating speed and effort.

Good hats under the helmet are another approach that are easily taken off as one warms. (At -20F, perhaps the hat under for the whole ride and a windproof shell over the helmet for the first miles.)
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Old 09-22-22, 09:02 PM
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There will be argument, but IMO (and opinion of many others), you just can’t get “breathable” And “waterproof” in the same garment. Not in a garment worn for intense physical exercise anyway. If something is breathable…allowing moisture vapors to escape…the moisture can also get in. It would appear that the garment is “breathable” for a body that is doing very easy to moderate activity…i.e. walking…and not something strenuous like moderate to hard cycling. So what it comes down to is that one way or another you’re going to be wet…either sweating from moisture that can’t escape, or from precipitation leaking through. So…I choose the garment/material that will keep me warm (wind proof) when it’s wet. My personal choice for winter wear is, like you, a ski jacket. That is topped with a very thin outer Pearl iZumi polyester windbreaker. I can’t believe how affective those windbreakers are. They’re so thin and lite, but do an OUTSTANDING job at wind breaking. If the weather is dry but just cold…down to about 35°F all I need is a long sleeve shirt, and that windbreaker. But it does not really provide any water resistance.

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Exactly. I've ridden a lot in the rain. Expanding on what you've said, water's going to get in, so I wear enough very breathable layers underneath, that when they get wet, I'm still warm because I'm working. No wool except for socks and maybe gloves. One has to have some sort of cooling system. In the summer it's sweat. In the wet, it's rain. In the cold and dry, one has to get rid of the water or it'll make you cold, so again everything breathable.
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In Central Texas it does not get that cold. For winters I just use a "Breathable Nylon Wind Breaker" with a hood (Anorak type). I then pile on appropriate layers underneath for the temperature. Even then, temperature regulation was inadequate till I sewed in some arm pit zippers. Its not pretty but it gives me a comfortable temperature range to ride in 40's° to 60's° F.

I know... For some people that's T shirt weather... Ha
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Originally Posted by zandoval View Post
In Central Texas it does not get that cold. For winters I just use a "Breathable Nylon Wind Breaker" with a hood (Anorak type). I then pile on appropriate layers underneath for the temperature. Even then, temperature regulation was inadequate till I sewed in some arm pit zippers. Its not pretty but it gives me a comfortable temperature range to ride in 40's° to 60's° F.
pit zips rule!
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Old 09-23-22, 01:28 PM
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200 weight fleece is usually very breathable. If I were commuting at minus 22, i would wear a very light polypro top, then a mid weight fleece pullover sweater, then a NF Denali jacket or somebodies equivalent. Plus a light wind jacket as needed on windy days. I would not wear down, it loses its insulating ability when wet. If I were continually moving, I think those payer would be enough. I might carry a down puffy jacket in case I needed to stop and fix something.
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Old 09-23-22, 06:23 PM
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Plus a light wind jacket as needed on windy days
past cpl of years been using a vest w/o the sleeves as a wind break over other vented layers
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Wouldn’t a waterproof shell be a good idea for road spray from vehicles.
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Wouldn’t a waterproof shell be a good idea for road spray from vehicles.
I do use full sleeved jackets in wet weather, but it can be tough to balance the weather protection w/ ventilation. but yes wind & spray need to be protected against
this Columbia shell has been working out the past few years & it has pit-zips for ventilation

it's not cycling specific but seems to fit OK on the bike. came across it by accident. forgot my wind layer one day & was far from home when I realized it, so had to find an outdoor store & was lucky to find something comfortable

I often use this thick North Face jacket that my late Dad bought for me, one birthday. it's got enormous pit-zips & even tho it's not a "shell" provides good protection from light rain, with the added bonus of thermal protection. a nice all-arounder

I wouldn't normally spend $150 on anything but sometimes someone or I do, & I make sure to get our money's worth out of it
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I wear layers. Merino wool base layer. Insulating layer and then outer shell for wind and rain or snow.

You'll keep yourself warm as long as you are pedalling so you might find yourself unzipping to let the heat out. But if you are stopped for a long time, you'll start freezing.

I don't like fleece. Too much static. I like wool. Go to a thrift store and look for wool cardigans or sweaters.
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I do use full sleeved jackets in wet weather, but it can be tough to balance the weather protection w/ ventilation. but yes wind & spray need to be protected against
this Columbia shell has been working out the past few years & it has pit-zips for ventilation

it's not cycling specific but seems to fit OK on the bike. came across it by accident. forgot my wind layer one day & was far from home when I realized it, so had to find an outdoor store & was lucky to find something comfortable

I often use this thick North Face jacket that my late Dad bought for me, one birthday. it's got enormous pit-zips & even tho it's not a "shell" provides good protection from light rain, with the added bonus of thermal protection. a nice all-arounder

I wouldn't normally spend $150 on anything but sometimes someone or I do, & I make sure to get our money's worth out of it
How is that helmet you are wearing comfort wise. Is the visor interchangeable for another tint or clear lens. Which brand is that. Thanks.
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How is that helmet you are wearing comfort wise. Is the visor interchangeable for another tint or clear lens. Which brand is that. Thanks.
the brand is basecamp I bought in on amazon it came w a tinted visor & I bought a clear visor to use at night it fits very well
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Merino Wool baselayer, wool sox, fleece vest, and outerlayer thin jacket not windbreaker, but a little thicker. I like pearl izumi!
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Gotten many years out of my Gorewear insulated shell. Provides windproofing, waterproofing, very breathable. Can do a thermal or base layer underneath when needed. Not cheap, but well made and durable. Would buy again.
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if a jacket is very waterproof, then I end up wet anyway from sweat. If I have to ride in the rain, I'm committed to getting wet and I'll try to make the best of it.

as for winter jackets, all of mine are wind blocker in the front, vented or breathable material in the back. Seems to work. I cycle down to about 25 degrees F and layer according to the temp and predicted physical output.
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Gotten many years out of my Gorewear insulated shell. Provides windproofing, waterproofing, very breathable. Can do a thermal or base layer underneath when needed. Not cheap, but well made and durable. Would buy again.
I been checking for a long time. Strange that Gorewear still don't ship to Canada.

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Originally Posted by Frenzen View Post
under -22 F for an hour or so
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Originally Posted by _ForceD_ View Post
you just can’t get “breathable” And “waterproof” in the same garment.
^^^This

Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
I'm a big fan of layers
Also ^^^this


Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
For me, the secret is to be warm enough the first 5 miles or so, then be able to shed layers to keep sweat down.
Interesting. I'm quite the opposite, and everyone I know who rides in sub-freezing temps also subscribes to this rule-of-thumb: the secret is to not be warm enough the first 5 miles or so; you want to be a little cold when just starting out, so that when you do eventually warm up you don't run the risk of having already drenched your inner layers in sweat.
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Interesting. I'm quite the opposite, and everyone I know who rides in sub-freezing temps also subscribes to this rule-of-thumb: the secret is to not be warm enough the first 5 miles or so; you want to be a little cold when just starting out, so that when you do eventually warm up you don't run the risk of having already drenched your inner layers in sweat.
I've overdone it and been too warm but I thrive in the warm stuff so that's just unpleasant and a lot of stuff to wash. And I've done rides where I never could get my core temperature up enough to ride hard enough for sustainable warmth. The resulting ride was condtioning-wise, a waste of time and a couple of times, scary. Fortunately those were on warming days.

Edit: I'm built like an air conditioner, all surface area, little volume. I've always run cold. 98.6 and what's going on? That's almost fever for me. (A little exaggeration but over the many COVID skin tests, I was only once or twice up to "par".

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Columbia makes good jackets their linings have a reflective material that keeps you warm and they are 2 jackets in 1, the one i have is a water resistant outter shell with an insulated lining, and if its really cold a layer up
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Coldest I rode was with 3 layers top bottom, neck gaiter, winter boots and 2 wool socks on flat pedals and with a granny jacket down to about -5 degrees F. It doesn't get any colder than that where I live. I think a parka or heavy jacket is a must, as are mitten multilayer gloves. Consider electric heaters too at those temps.
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