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Old 07-29-21, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by prj71
Nah. They work for a long time. Have left them on for years in the past with no adverse effects. After having patched a tire on a ride, I've left one of these patches on the tube. Eventually the tire wore out and had to be replaced and the patch was still working perfectly.

If you use too little glue, don't clean the tire properly, or allow moisture to get in between a vulcanized patch it will not hold. Plus the glue has a shelf life.
Nah

I have had them lose adhesion after a week riding in 110F temps

Usually, they are good for a few months. They are convenient and fast but not a good long term solution.

Put the cap back on tight. I get years out of mine.
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Different experiences I guess. I fail to see how they lose adhesion or fail to work when it is pinched/sandwiched between the tire and tube or tube and rim.
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Originally Posted by prj71
Nah. They work for a long time. Have left them on for years in the past with no adverse effects. After having patched a tire on a ride, I've left one of these patches on the tube. Eventually the tire wore out and had to be replaced and the patch was still working perfectly.
It's nice when a temporary fix punches above its weight and lasts a long time, but when patching tubes at home, why not make them truly good as new?
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Originally Posted by prj71
Different experiences I guess. I fail to see how they lose adhesion or fail to work when it is pinched/sandwiched between the tire and tube or tube and rim.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
It's nice when a temporary fix punches above its weight and lasts a long time, but when patching tubes at home, why not make them truly good as new?
Well I'm tubeless now, so not a thing.

In the past, I rarely saved a tube that was punctured. Just tossed it in the garbage an put a new one in. Not worth the messy hassle of glue etc. when I can find them on e-bay or elsewhere for $5-$6
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Originally Posted by prj71
Well I'm tubeless now, so not a thing.

In the past, I rarely saved a tube that was punctured. Just tossed it in the garbage an put a new one in. Not worth the messy hassle of glue etc. when I can find them on e-bay or elsewhere for $5-$6
Sounds like tube patching was really frustrating for you. Well, those of us still using tubes will keep discussing them, if you don't mind.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
Sounds like tube patching was really frustrating for you. Well, those of us still using tubes will keep discussing them, if you don't mind.
The "patch vs new tube" pissing matches do seem to be less frequent now - thanks, tubeless!
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Originally Posted by prj71
Well I'm tubeless now, so not a thing.

In the past, I rarely saved a tube that was punctured. Just tossed it in the garbage an put a new one in. Not worth the messy hassle of glue etc. when I can find them on e-bay or elsewhere for $5-$6
Good tubes are more like 15 bucks and it takes 5 minutes to fix them.

I cannot in good conscience throw something into the landfill when repair is to trivially easy.

I have never gotten the vulcanizing agent on my hands. Not once. You must not wait long enough to put the patch on and ALSO take off the clear film from the patch before applying it. Do you read instructions? Or do you just throw those in the landfill?
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
The "patch vs new tube" pissing matches do seem to be less frequent now - thanks, tubeless!
And hey, if people want to keep throwing away punctured tubes, they can be my guest -- I saw lots of tubes in the trash this week on RAGBRAI.

I really only bring up the patching thing for anyone who doesn't want to be caught unprepared down the line. Feels nice to have a practically inexhaustible supply of tubes in the basement.
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62
Good tubes are more like 15 bucks and it takes 5 minutes to fix them.

I cannot in good conscience throw something into the landfill when repair is to trivially easy.

I have never gotten the vulcanizing agent on my hands. Not once. You must not wait long enough to put the patch on and ALSO take off the clear film from the patch before applying it. Do you read instructions? Or do you just throw those in the landfill?
I'm not sure what you define as "good tubes" but I was purchasing Continental Tubes and Q-tubes. Between e-bay and U-Cycles I was spending $5-$6 per tube.

I had zero issue patching tubes other than it being a little messy. But like I said...easier and more timely to throw it out than deal with it.
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Originally Posted by prj71
I'm not sure what you define as "good tubes" but I was purchasing Continental Tubes and Q-tubes. Between e-bay and U-Cycles I was spending $5-$6 per tube.

I had zero issue patching tubes other than it being a little messy. But like I said...easier and more timely to throw it out than deal with it.
Supersonics are nice. Silca latex are good.

Continental Race lites at $10 are pretty good, too.

Standard Conti tubes weigh 143 grams and have a lot of rolling resistance and are not "good" aside from being very heavy

Throwing them away is lazy and socially irresponsible, irrespective of price
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62
Supersonics are nice. Silca latex are good.

Continental Race lites at $10 are pretty good, too.

Standard Conti tubes weigh 143 grams and have a lot of rolling resistance and are not "good" aside from being very heavy
Conti Race Lites is what I used on my road bikes. Q-tube super lite on the mountain bikes. But like I said...I scour e-bay most of the time and pay about $5


Throwing them away is lazy and socially irresponsible, irrespective of price
Lol. I value my time more than money.
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62
Supersonics are nice. Silca latex are good.

Continental Race lites at $10 are pretty good, too.

Standard Conti tubes weigh 143 grams and have a lot of rolling resistance and are not "good" aside from being very heavy

Throwing them away is lazy and socially irresponsible, irrespective of price
Not sure how they compare to latex, but Michelin Aircomps are about 77g and can be found for $6 https://www.benscycle.com/michelin-a..._6315_tu8200/p

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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
Not sure how they compare to latex, but Michelin Aircomps are about 77g and can be found for $6 https://www.benscycle.com/michelin-a..._6315_tu8200/p

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Does price justify throwing them away into the land fill?
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Does price justify throwing them away into the land fill?
Not at all and I'm not claiming any such thing. It was you who somewhat suggested though that the $15 you spend is part of your equation as to why you won't just toss them. Or at least it's not clear why you brought up the price of tubes.
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Can I just say I kind of love where this thread is heading.

As for Conti tubes being $10 - thats what I currently sell those tubes for in my shop when I have them. I am not making very much on them either.
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As for Conti tubes being $10 - thats what I currently sell those tubes for in my shop when I have them.
And that's why I buy online and not the bike shop.
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Bike manufacturers have started adding a surcharge to dealer invoices to pass along the increased shipping container costs, in addition to the usual shipping charges. The one's I've seen range from $30 to $65 per bike, depending on the size and weight of the unit.

Expect to see an "ocean freight surcharge" added to your next new bike purchase.
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CNN article on shipping:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/23/busin...ing/index.html
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I ordered some tires and a set of fenders (for an upcoming September tour) from Germany on July 6. Typically I get shipments from them in about 2 weeks, or less. This time the shipment made it to Frankfurt by July 8...and stopped dead. No tracking updates/progress since then. I contacted the vendor a couple weeks ago and they said if there wasn't any progress in week to let them know. No progress..contacted the vendor again and they put a trace on the shipment...the trace takes 4-6 weeks to get a response. Soo..re-buying what I need for the tour more local (online as LBS have nothing that I want), at higher prices. So much for trying to save a couple bucks on July 6.

The article above said the supply chains are "tangled"..good description. Going to be a (long) while before things start to get back in synch.
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The article above said the supply chains are "tangled"..good description. Going to be a (long) while before things start to get back in synch.
Agreed it will be a long time. Thing is I don't think average people understand what a long time is in manufacturing. We don't deal in days or weeks really. It's years and years.

The correction of almost all of this should align almost perfectly with the popping of the demand bubble and/or massive inflation that leads to the popping of the demand bubble. Fun stuff.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
Agreed it will be a long time. Thing is I don't think average people understand what a long time is in manufacturing. We don't deal in days or weeks really. It's years and years.
Most of my career I was a polymer chemist, though over my last 6 years I developed mathematical computer models to optimize global product distribution networks. (example..you have 3 manufacturing sites in North America and 5 distribution centers, ex-North America you have 6 plants and 10 distribution centers. You have 12 $billion in sales annually. Each plant makes different products than the other plants. Each plant has local, regional specific products as well as products that are sold globally. The questions I'd answer is how to transfer products(meet demand) between all the plants and distribution centers, and end-use customers in some cases via rail, truck, and ocean carrier at the lowest transportation cost as well each dist-center carrying optimal inventory...with significant emphasis on "just in time(JIT)". It would take me 3-12 months to develop a model to answer any one set of questions. Once the model was debugged..I'd hit "go" and the computer would work on the problem for 2-4 days (run models over the weekend). It would then take another 2-weeks to a month to understand what the model was suggesting and why("why" can get rather complex). Making changes to the network is very tough as people prefer to do it the way they've done things rather than transform their network to something new...they're held accountable for meeting customer demand. As a side note.. I used to use $2300-$2700 as the freight cost for a 40 foot container from Rotterdam to the east coast ports in the USA and not much more than that to ship from Asia to the west coast.

The global supply chains we had 2 years ago were the product of old school distribution models continually tweaked over decades to yield low cost and high efficiency, such as it was. When the JIT thing came in, enabled by efficient inbound and outbound transportation networks, the networks and plant production planning (small runs of many products rather than fewer large runs) was revamped and optimized yet again.

Then comes last year. Everything stops, workers are hard to come by, demand disappears, low inventories(by design) are depleted, then demand sky rockets. As I mentioned earlier.. "tangled" is a good term. It's like a big wad of string all tangled up. Everything is preventing everything else from getting started. There will be books written about this (supply chain) debacle. Could make for some good reading.
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Tubes and tires? My trip last week stopping at some shops there are plenty but some sizes may be out. One place I could get a 700x25/28 tube but with 60mm stem. Needed a 40mm. Found at next shop.
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