Mojo31

The most important factor in any large item purchase.

Ynotnow

My thoughts are as follows,
I know absolutely nothing about the bike except it is ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS!

If I owned that thing I'd never come out of the garage because I'd want to look at it all the time 😆.

oldwinger14

Have you looked at Pinarello’s new Paris? Last Summer, I was considering buying a Prince and tried both. I found the Paris much more suitable to me. Like the original poster, I am a recreational rider, i.e. no races.

The Paris replaced a Cannondale Synapse which I liked and had updated with Ultegra Di2. I had the Di2 components swapped over to my Paris and couldn’t be happier.

bampilot06

I knew you would see the seriousness of that statement.

waters60

How would you describe the difference between the Synapse and the Paris? I bought a 2018 Synapse with Ultegra Di2. It was a very nice bike but seemed to lack responsiveness. In 2020 I bought a Super Six and swapped over the Di2. After 26 years on a Merckx Century and a brief interlude on the Synapse the Super Six is a lot of fun. Handles more responsively. How would you describe the Paris’ handling vs. the Synapse?

Eric F 

Get the white one. White bikes are hot.

seypat

The orange one above is pretty sweet looking!

Eric F 

Different model

seypat

It is. But even with the upturned, rivited old school saddle, the orange one will be hotter than the white Prince. Same for your Stork. Hot colors > white every time. Not really feeling the Prince name either. Maybe King, Knight, Ruler, etc. Not Prince.

Mojo31

Better than Princess.

Btw, white can be a hot color if done right.

Really smokin hot white -



Not so hot white -

waters60

How would you describe the difference between the Synapse and the Paris? I bought a 2018 Synapse with Ultegra Di2. It was a very nice bike but seemed to lack responsiveness. In 2020 I bought a Super
Six and swapped over the Di2. After 26 years on a Merckx Century and a brief interlude on the Synapse the Super Six is a lot of fun. Handles more responsively. How would you describe the Paris’ handling vs. the Synapse?

Eric F 

Personal preference plays a big part here - I would pick white over orange. Maybe part of it is because it's a Pinarello. The legacy of Big Mig on a white Pinarello can't be ignored.

oldwinger14

[QUOTE=waters60;22785551]The geometry of the two bikes is very similar and I did not notice a huge difference riding the Paris compared to ridng the Synapse as far as overall comfort was concerned.

With that said, and what little experience I have since I bought the Paris at the end of the summer, the Paris seems to be a much more responsive in both steering and overall handling compared to the Synapse. The synapse, though, is a very good bike and I enjoyed it when I owned it.

Iride01 

Dogma's geometry will give more saddle to bar drop for a more aero position.

From a Trek Domane the OP currently has, the Dogma will have a difference of 20.8 mm in stack height. The Prince only has about 5 mm lower stack. While you could leave 20 or 30 mm of spacers under the stem of the Dogma, then if the OP's bike doesn't already have the stem slammed, then they may not like the position.

But...... The OP AFAIK, has not said a preference on position.

To me knowing what position you want when purchasing a bike is important. The bikes with lower stacks generally look sexier and draw you to them. However if you don't want that aggressive a position then the bike will get dorked up with steerer tube extenders and aesthetically unpleasing and weirdly angled stems. Within a few degrees, stems look better when they are horizontal or roughly parallel to the road.

Don't look at bikes that don't give you the position you wish to ride them in.

Lombard

Meh. That was the trend before black. I'd rather have black than white.

IMO, the orange looks really sharp!

Eric F 

It's time to be done with black (IMO, YMMV)

Lombard

I do like black, but I agree it would be nice to see some other colors. I was very happy to be done with white though.

NoWhammies

I have no experience with any of the bikes on this thread. I just wanted to post and say wow. Some pretty nice looking bikes here. I think you'll be happy with any of them

Mojo31

Im a black and white guy with blue and gray bikes.

Mojo31

Says the guy with the blue bike.

Eric F 

Well…duh.

mstateglfr 

A modern Pinarello road bike with nose up B17 is why I keep coming back to this place.

Legit- that color is cool.

mstateglfr 

Since its only a penny's worth of thoughts, here they are in no particular order.

- Pinarello's site is terrible. The lack of useful info is shocking to see in 2023. My guess is they think it doesnt actually matter and they will get by on their name.
- Pinarello continues to be slightly relevant because they throw gobs of support to Ineos. The wavy frames arent actually magical in ride/performance to any number of other bikes.
- How is a price not even listed on the site? See 1st point for further thoughts on this. It looks like the bike costs $5700 from a quick google.
- Very few will have actually ridden this bike because of how few shops actually carry the bike in the size someone wants and few would pay that when so many other options exist. I chuckled since a couple shops in my state carry Pinarello and one I was in 4 months ago, but had 0 Pins.
- Why do you want to swap the wheels when you havent even ridden the bike? They arent the lightest things around, but its a $5700 bike...it should come with really good wheels. If it doesnt, I would think that would be a flashing warning.


https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...rahmenfarbe=GN
$5000. Comes with a power meter, quality carbon wheelset(thats a few hundred g lighter), beloved comfortable carbon seatpost, carbon stem and bars, and Ultegra di2. Maybe the best part- it doesnt have a goofy internal headset headtube routing.





Meanwhile, for $700 more, the Pinarello does not have a powermeter, the wheelset weighs a few hundred g more, it comes with an aluminum stem, and an aluminum bar.
But you get the name thats still riding on the success and legend of decades ago, so thats cool.

Metallifan33

I think the only reason for the wavy design is for looks no? Or, is Pina touting a performance advantage to them? (edit: Apparently Pina touts the "asymmetrical frame" as a performance advantage, but I just assumed this was written by the marketing department
Either way, regarding the aesthetic aspect, the Canyon would be the exact opposite it seems to me.
i.e., it looks like one of a billion other bikes out there. Not that there's anything wrong with that; the Pina is just more pleasing to my eye.

What's the hate on integrated headsets? (it's not your post I'm referring to, but I've seen other people hating on them online as well). Is it the practicality of having to do work on the bike? In my case, I have never taken mine apart and haven't adjusted the position in years. Is there another reason they would be undesirable (aesthetics aside).
In the Canyon, the cables are almost purposefully intrusive. In my Domane, they are tucked into these clips that make it look a lot better.

That all being said, it's more and more likely that I'll be going with a Cervelo (or Canyon) at this point. Again, if practicality/performance is the motivation, there are much much cheaper/better deals on bikes out there. I'm just looking for something other than just that.

Lombard

Pretty much that and that you can't change to a different stem.