130mm hub, 135mm frame spacing, CrMo steel frame - QR skewer eliminates gap?
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130mm hub, 135mm frame spacing, CrMo steel frame - QR skewer eliminates gap?
CrMo 20" Raleigh MTB with frame spacing of 135mm. Rear wheel (old Shimano Deore hub w/ 7sp freewheel) has 130mm hub (O.L.D.) spacing. Was thinking of installing spacers, but when I put the wheel in the dropouts, then screw down and tighten the QR (not excessively! just normal hand-tightness for QR's), the gap between locknuts and dropouts disappears. I'm assuming the QR is squeezing the stays towards each other and eliminating the 5mm (or rather, 2x2.5mm) gap. Everything seems secure; axle ends are sitting comfortably about 2/3 the way through the dropout. Anything I should be worried about?? Seems safer to me than adding spacers and having less of the axle sitting in the dropout.
(Not worried about chainline at this point. Also, let's assume for now that each stay is squeezed inwards the same distance; I haven't actually measured that, but... I don't want to.)
(Not worried about chainline at this point. Also, let's assume for now that each stay is squeezed inwards the same distance; I haven't actually measured that, but... I don't want to.)
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if it was me i'd probably put some spacers on as you suggested, but then again, it's possible that a longer axle would be necessary. if so, i'd probably just use it as is.
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I have one bike with a 120mm hub in a 126mm spaced frame. Another has a 130mm hub in a 126mm spaced frame. Both steel frames, no issues, YMMV.
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When they add the 5mm spacer and the longer axle,
the 5mm comes off the dish/spoke tension asymmetry,
and the wheel is actually strengthened.
the 5mm comes off the dish/spoke tension asymmetry,
and the wheel is actually strengthened.
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If the total (left and right combined) length of the exposed axle is greater than 5mm, then you won't need a new axle.
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(Certainly more involved than anything I'm comfortable with. But that's just me.)
edit: Additional info - It's a MTB, but I never ride it off-road. It's just the bike I've always had, and it seems to fit well, and I'm comfortable with it. But I'm not putting it through any rough off-road treatment.
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I agree with Bob- just put the 5mm spacer on the left, re-center the axle, adjust the spokes to center the rim, and enjoy a stronger wheel. You can install a longer axle if you want, but it will work fine without- you'll still have about 3mm projecting beyond the locknut on each end.
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Thanks for all the replies. It sounds like putting the 5m spacer on the left and re-tensioning the spokes is the way to go.
However - let me ask the question this way, just to extend the discussion a bit: Since it seems to be OK to permanently spread a steel frame (via 2x4) to fit a larger OLD hub, is there anything really wrong/unsafe with temporarily squeezing a steel frame (via QR) to fit a smaller OLD hub? Where lies the danger? I understand that this may not be the BEST solution, but is it at least an OK solution?
(The frame pops back to 135mm as soon as I release the QR. Is the tension against the QR ends going to make the wheel somehow more likely to fall off, for example? Under normal conditions.)
However - let me ask the question this way, just to extend the discussion a bit: Since it seems to be OK to permanently spread a steel frame (via 2x4) to fit a larger OLD hub, is there anything really wrong/unsafe with temporarily squeezing a steel frame (via QR) to fit a smaller OLD hub? Where lies the danger? I understand that this may not be the BEST solution, but is it at least an OK solution?
(The frame pops back to 135mm as soon as I release the QR. Is the tension against the QR ends going to make the wheel somehow more likely to fall off, for example? Under normal conditions.)
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QR travel and tension that is going into squeezing your frame together is travel and tension that isn't going to holding the wheel in the frame.
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So... Rather than two 2.5mm spacers, you're saying put a 5mm spacer on the left side, and then re-tension the spokes with the now better-centered hub?
(Certainly more involved than anything I'm comfortable with. But that's just me.)
edit: Additional info - It's a MTB, but I never ride it off-road. It's just the bike I've always had, and it seems to fit well, and I'm comfortable with it. But I'm not putting it through any rough off-road treatment.
(Certainly more involved than anything I'm comfortable with. But that's just me.)
edit: Additional info - It's a MTB, but I never ride it off-road. It's just the bike I've always had, and it seems to fit well, and I'm comfortable with it. But I'm not putting it through any rough off-road treatment.
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Well - maybe I'll ride it for a while, check the tension on the QR regularly, and report back if I find anything.
(To be honest, I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed much elsewhere... There's plenty of talk of widening the frame spacing, but shortening it doesn't seem to have been discussed too much!)