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Old 10-11-22, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
That's a flawed syllogism. Dictionaries generally don't include phrases. Tension meter describes the device accurately in the same way as "volt meter" would to an electric

So both are right, but I'll venture that Tension Meter would be clearer than Tensiometer to the uninitiated.

FWIW - "tensiometer" can also mean a device to measure blood pressure, on in another context. something to measure soil moisture content.
Now you’ve done it. I’ve had to add to my pet peeves list.
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Originally Posted by UnCruel
Is it really a road racing bike if it has a bell on it? I think, by definition, the bicycle becomes something else once you put a bell on it, regardless of what it may have started out as.
Not quite racing, but I used to participate in a spirited after-work ride. One of my favorite stunts was to get behind someone who didn't pull off soon enough, and then pass them on the hill at the end of the flat run. If I timed it right, I'd start ringing the bell halfway up and get a disbelieving look over his shoulder.

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Old 10-11-22, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SJX426
I know this is a controversy due to the common usage not being specific of the definition, cog vs sprocket. The definitions indicate a sprocket is a subset of cogs with the specific feature of the teeth engaging into a component like a chain and not another cog.
A cog is a tooth on a gearwheel called a cogwheel. A cogwheel engages with another cogwheel. A sprocket is a chainwheel, it engages with a chain. Every time someone refers to sprockets as cogs a kitten dies.
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Old 10-11-22, 04:24 PM
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Webster New Collegiate, 1953. 1) Cog: a tooth on the rim of a wheel; hence , a gear tooth. 2) A person functioning as part of a process or organization.

Sounds to me like any sprocket for chain qualifies. (Yes, I know I can kill small cats with my chainwhip/cog wrench but I like to think they survive my routine gearing changes just fine.)
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Old 10-11-22, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
Now you’ve done it. I’ve had to add to my pet peeves list.
Hey! I've finally made the cut.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
Webster New Collegiate, 1953. 1) Cog: a tooth on the rim of a wheel; hence , a gear tooth. 2) A person functioning as part of a process or organization.

Sounds to me like any sprocket for chain qualifies. (Yes, I know I can kill small cats with my chainwhip/cog wrench but I like to think they survive my routine gearing changes just fine.)
Yes. and no. Yes because everyone knows what it's about.

But, No because by the definition YOU cited, the cog is (hey Google, not corgis) is one of the teeth on the sprocket.
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Old 10-11-22, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
Except one is recognized in a dictionary as the correct name of the device, and the other is a made-up term.
You might want to read up on compound nouns. "Tension meter" is an example of same. So is "swimming pool" or "swimming hole". Or "bottom bracket" and "brake lever", for that matter.

And no, many (if not most) dictionaries of the English language don't exhaustively list all known compound nouns. I daresay that even the Oxford English Dictionary, with over 270k entries, doesn't have all of them listed and defined.

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Old 10-11-22, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FBinNY

FWIW - "tensiometer" can also mean a device to measure blood pressure
Well it rolls off the tongue a little easier than the proper name sphygmomanometer .
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Old 10-12-22, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by squirtdad
another pet peeve cheap alternative chain lube and grease threads, like people are going broke getting a tube of Phil's or a bottle of Chain-L (or whatever else your favorite is )
guilty

something about $1000 an ounce for $30 chain vs say automatic transmission fluid meant to work on 10k transmission and it somehow only cost $1 an ounce.

that's some crazy marketing wizardry

for now I am just using muc off from the LBS
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Old 10-12-22, 04:17 AM
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It bothers me more than it should when people use Campy instead of just typing Campagnolo.
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Originally Posted by Chuck M
It bothers me more than it should when people use Campy instead of just typing Campagnolo.
"Campag" gets me. There is n "g" sound in "Campagnolo". "Campa" is right
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Originally Posted by Chuck M
It bothers me more than it should when people use Campy instead of just typing Campagnolo.
When I was first getting into bikes in the mid-80s, l’d go check out bike books from the college library. Many (most?) were written during the 1970s bike boom. “Campy” was apparently a common nickname back then, and I’ve used it. I will agree that “Campag” for me sounds like shifting a bike chain coated in sand.
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Originally Posted by sean.hwy
something about $1000 an ounce for $30 chain vs say automatic transmission fluid meant to work on 10k transmission and it somehow only cost $1 an ounce.
Priced ATF lately? Recently changed fluid in a couple 4L60E and got sticker shock. But still not even anywhere near $1/oz
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Originally Posted by Chuck M
It bothers me more than it should when people use Campy instead of just typing Campagnolo.
Is your real name Chuck or Charles?
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Did the OP’s run-on sentence bug you?

“It probably doesn't matter much regarding brake or gear cables since the job gets done either way, however it muddies the thinking in things like wheel alignment or building.”
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^^ that's funny and true. I found two ball bearings on garage floor last night. So I probably have two hubs with the wrong ball count.
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Originally Posted by Chuck M
It bothers me more than it should when people use Campy instead of just typing Campagnolo.
You should check out hockey forums. No one can spell half the players names so almost everyone is identified in some abbreviated form.

Heck, even the players use them for each other.

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Priced ATF lately? Recently changed fluid in a couple 4L60E and got sticker shock. But still not even anywhere near $1/oz
I just did my v6 rav4 a few months ago. I bought mt ATV from rockauto. It was not that bad.

$36 / 160 oz = 23 cents an oz roughly

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Originally Posted by sean.hwy
guilty

something about $1000 an ounce for $30 chain vs say automatic transmission fluid meant to work on 10k transmission and it somehow only cost $1 an ounce.

that's some crazy marketing wizardry

for now I am just using muc off from the LBS
hmmm some how the math is not working on the $1000 an oz

Rock and roll gold $8 for 4 oz so $2 an oz for purpose designed product
Chain-L $12 for 4 oz so $3 an oz for purpose designed product
at the hi end
Silca super secret at $45 for 8oz so $5.64 or so an oz

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Originally Posted by squirtdad
hmmm some how the math is not working on the $1000 an oz

Rock and roll gold $8 for 4 oz so $2 an oz for purpose designed product
Chain-L $12 for 4 oz so $3 an oz for purpose designed product
at the hi end
Silca super secret at $45 for 8oz so $5.64 or so an oz

when I did the real math ATF comes out to 23 cents an oz vs your cheapest $2 oz for rock and roll gold. That's 9 times more expensive for $30 chain that only last 100 to 150 miles vs 23 cents an oz for auto trans that cost 10k, run at high heat and high pressure and is good for 100k miles.

Seems like the chemical eng that designed auto oil and auto trans fluid should design bicycle chain lube :-)
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
I try to keep that in mind when responding to questions from folks that seem not to know.
If I did that, that could result in a lot of work on my end.
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Originally Posted by grumpus
A cog is a tooth on a gearwheel called a cogwheel. A cogwheel engages with another cogwheel. A sprocket is a chainwheel, it engages with a chain. Every time someone refers to sprockets as cogs a kitten dies.
The article linked below states that "cog" is a broader term that covers a "sprocket."

Space-age engineering: How the Jetsons undermined the understanding of an entire (gear) industry (motioncontroltips.com)
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Originally Posted by sean.hwy
for now I am just using muc off from the LBS
Smells good and glows with the included LED keychain.
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir
The article linked below states that "cog" is a broader term that covers a "sprocket."

Space-age engineering: How the Jetsons undermined the understanding of an entire (gear) industry (motioncontroltips.com)
"Thus, a gear is a cog … but not all cogs are gears."
That's backwards - a cog is a tooth on a cog wheel, a cog wheel is a gear wheel, a sprocket is a gear wheel, but a sprocket is not a cog wheel and sprocket teeth are not cogs because cogs engage with cogs not chains.
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