pulled over by police with $150 ticket
07-24-08, 12:24 PM
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i find it annoying to stop and go for a few blocks and stop again downtown but i guess i havent really noticed me really running through stop lights. now i think of it, i think i do stop which is funny cuz when my coworker told me about this, the only thing that came to mind was ' oh man i better stop doing that'...and i dont even do it! its funny...its good to be on the safe side.
It's a catch 22.
The Supreme Court ruled that you cannot be randomly stopped and asked for ID, and here's the tricky part, unless you have been accused of a crime.
So, if you are in the bike lane, with a bell, light, reflectors, and stop for the stop sign and put your foot down before continuing you don't need ID, but probably wouldn't get pulled over in the first place. If you get pulled over because you ran a light, they can take you in for not having and/or producing ID.
The answer you are not looking for is yes, you can get detained for not having ID. However, in my experience, cops have better things to do, unless you open your mouth to them, then all bets are off.
I would like to add one other thing. I love how someone who lives in the sticks with 3 stop signs and 1 red light (a flashing one of course) in their entire city tells people in NYC whether they should or should not filter/run lights/run stop signs/etc. Maybe, just maybe, things are different here than they are where you live. I recommend coming to NY to commute for a week before judging others. I'm willing to bet a bunch of you who have responded in this thread would replace your chamois with Depends if you rode my commute.
The Supreme Court ruled that you cannot be randomly stopped and asked for ID, and here's the tricky part, unless you have been accused of a crime.
So, if you are in the bike lane, with a bell, light, reflectors, and stop for the stop sign and put your foot down before continuing you don't need ID, but probably wouldn't get pulled over in the first place. If you get pulled over because you ran a light, they can take you in for not having and/or producing ID.
The answer you are not looking for is yes, you can get detained for not having ID. However, in my experience, cops have better things to do, unless you open your mouth to them, then all bets are off.
I would like to add one other thing. I love how someone who lives in the sticks with 3 stop signs and 1 red light (a flashing one of course) in their entire city tells people in NYC whether they should or should not filter/run lights/run stop signs/etc. Maybe, just maybe, things are different here than they are where you live. I recommend coming to NY to commute for a week before judging others. I'm willing to bet a bunch of you who have responded in this thread would replace your chamois with Depends if you rode my commute.
07-24-08, 12:26 PM
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Guess murders must be down in NY.
If your friend ran the red, why didn't he just run from the cop too? It's not like they could catch or identify him.
If your friend ran the red, why didn't he just run from the cop too? It's not like they could catch or identify him.
07-24-08, 12:37 PM
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I ran a stop sign once and paid a price. Went on the left of about a dozen cars all taking their turn at a four-way stop in downtown Huntington Beach.
At the same time as I rolled through the stop the car on the left did as well - out of turn mind you. What made it special is that it was a black and white...
I had to lock-up and skid to miss him. He got a fright and jammed on his brakes as well.
I rolled through - he parked in the middle of the intersection for a few moments then turned right after me.
He chased me down. Waved me over. Then gave me a solid yelling. Checked my ID - saying just as well I had it as he would have carted me to goal. He then wrote a ticket. I took it on the chin and said nothing through the whole berating.
I was in the wrong for sure. But so was he as we both ran the stop concurrent. I feel to this day his response was more out of busted pride and dominance as much as pinging me for an offense.
I paid the fine.
We run stops and reds. But so do cops.
At the same time as I rolled through the stop the car on the left did as well - out of turn mind you. What made it special is that it was a black and white...
I had to lock-up and skid to miss him. He got a fright and jammed on his brakes as well.
I rolled through - he parked in the middle of the intersection for a few moments then turned right after me.
He chased me down. Waved me over. Then gave me a solid yelling. Checked my ID - saying just as well I had it as he would have carted me to goal. He then wrote a ticket. I took it on the chin and said nothing through the whole berating.
I was in the wrong for sure. But so was he as we both ran the stop concurrent. I feel to this day his response was more out of busted pride and dominance as much as pinging me for an offense.
I paid the fine.
We run stops and reds. But so do cops.
07-24-08, 01:01 PM
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In practice, this rule is circumvented easily and often. The reason for being stopped is never random, the cops can simply say you were "weaving" so they stopped you. Here in Los Angeles you can be stopped for having the wrong skin color. Supreme court rulings don't apply to real life.
07-24-08, 01:33 PM
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In practice, this rule is circumvented easily and often. The reason for being stopped is never random, the cops can simply say you were "weaving" so they stopped you. Here in Los Angeles you can be stopped for having the wrong skin color. Supreme court rulings don't apply to real life.
07-24-08, 02:37 PM
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... i read a link online that says use your own discretion when running the light...
https://www.bicycledefensefund.org/summons.html
https://www.bicycledefensefund.org/summons.html
https://www.bicycledefensefund.org/summons.html
4. Tickets for running red lights: These are trickier to fight, because it is actually against the law to run red lights. You should use your discretion in deciding whether you want to fight a red light ticket or not.
07-24-08, 03:19 PM
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If you are talking about the link you posted, it certainly doesn't say what you said it does.
https://www.bicycledefensefund.org/summons.html
https://www.bicycledefensefund.org/summons.html
07-24-08, 03:34 PM
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I have some friends in Ann Arbor who ride a lot, and 2 of them got tickets for $150 each for riding through a stop sign. When they were talking to the cops, the cops said it was their sole job this summer to give tickets to people on bikes. I don't really see how that is for the common good. On a bicycle, coming to a "complete stop" is not very clearly defined. Also, when the intersection is empty, I don't think it's really necessary to come to a full, complete stop. I always brake and slow down, but I don't usually fully stop.
Also, if you don't have your ID, they call your name into the station to see if you lied about your address.
Also, if you don't have your ID, they call your name into the station to see if you lied about your address.
07-24-08, 03:43 PM
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I have some friends in Ann Arbor who ride a lot, and 2 of them got tickets for $150 each for riding through a stop sign. When they were talking to the cops, the cops said it was their sole job this summer to give tickets to people on bikes. I don't really see how that is for the common good. On a bicycle, coming to a "complete stop" is not very clearly defined. Also, when the intersection is empty, I don't think it's really necessary to come to a full, complete stop. I always brake and slow down, but I don't usually fully stop.
Here is the funny thing... it doesn't matter what YOU think is neccessary. If you don't come to a "complete stop" (Yes, a complete stop as in no movement), you'll get a ticket as you would if you rolled a stop sign in a car. Just because you can't kill anyone running a stop sign doesn't mean you are exempt from the law.
07-24-08, 03:44 PM
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What are you guys talking about? The guy ran a red light, got pulled over, got a ticket? WHY!!!???
That's just crazy. I know a cyclist who went thru a GREEN light, and another driver went thru a red light and hit the cyclist. The cyclist had multiple injuries. The cop stopped the guy who went thru the red light, but only to make sure the car didn't have too much damage.
Then the cop said "You go right ahead thru those red lights, it was that damn cyclist who went thru green lights who was at fault."
Sarcasm aside, I'm not sure how running red lights would look in court. Would it be your friend's (are you sure it's not you?) word against the cop?... is the quality of the cop's statement deemed to be of higher order than a 'mere civilian'? Who knows.
That's just crazy. I know a cyclist who went thru a GREEN light, and another driver went thru a red light and hit the cyclist. The cyclist had multiple injuries. The cop stopped the guy who went thru the red light, but only to make sure the car didn't have too much damage.
Then the cop said "You go right ahead thru those red lights, it was that damn cyclist who went thru green lights who was at fault."
Sarcasm aside, I'm not sure how running red lights would look in court. Would it be your friend's (are you sure it's not you?) word against the cop?... is the quality of the cop's statement deemed to be of higher order than a 'mere civilian'? Who knows.
07-24-08, 04:15 PM
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As people said above. Cyclists are required to, and should, obey all traffic laws as motorized vehicles unless otherwise posted. There are many reasons for this, but chiefly:
Motorists in most parts of the country, especially rural parts, really do not like cyclists and don't view bikes as transportation. Violating the laws only leads to more irritation with cyclists.
Some people, including many cops, are real jerks with cyclists. But it is not an excuse to say cyclists are exempt from traffic laws because other people are jerks.
I do wish they specified some laws better. For example: When at three way stops at a T-intersection with bike lanes on all sides, it doesn't make any sense to stop the cyclist unless he's crossing another traffic lane or making a left hand turn. Some cops will burn cyclists even when there is no physical way that they should cross paths with a car, and that bugs me.
Motorists in most parts of the country, especially rural parts, really do not like cyclists and don't view bikes as transportation. Violating the laws only leads to more irritation with cyclists.
Some people, including many cops, are real jerks with cyclists. But it is not an excuse to say cyclists are exempt from traffic laws because other people are jerks.
I do wish they specified some laws better. For example: When at three way stops at a T-intersection with bike lanes on all sides, it doesn't make any sense to stop the cyclist unless he's crossing another traffic lane or making a left hand turn. Some cops will burn cyclists even when there is no physical way that they should cross paths with a car, and that bugs me.
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Originally Posted by https://www.bicycledefensefund.org/summons.html
4. Tickets for running red lights: These are trickier to fight, because it is actually against the law to run red lights. You should use your discretion in deciding whether you want to fight a red light ticket or not.
(N.B. emphasis added to quote).
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Most every one on the way to work in the morning. Coming home it is a totally different story. Traffic volume for me dictates my level of lawfulness. I like blowing the light RIGHT IN FRONT of the cop shop!!
07-24-08, 09:18 PM
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