Why aren't road penalties higher?
06-10-21, 07:01 AM
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06-10-21, 07:04 AM
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[QUOTE=Rick;22095399]
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[[color=#222222]Some people suggest that the penalties for accidents should be the same or similar as those for intentional crime.
I believe the penalties for unintentional accidents should be much lighter than those for intentional crime.
You may be involved in an accident in the future. If the penalties are tough, you get the tough penalty. Would you want that if it was an unintentional accident./QUOTE]
I don't believe in the catch all term accidents. There are things that are in our control and things that are out of our control.
I believe the penalties for unintentional accidents should be much lighter than those for intentional crime.
You may be involved in an accident in the future. If the penalties are tough, you get the tough penalty. Would you want that if it was an unintentional accident./QUOTE]
I don't believe in the catch all term accidents. There are things that are in our control and things that are out of our control.
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06-10-21, 07:05 AM
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06-10-21, 07:05 AM
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I'm a lawyer and it's incredibly obvious you have no familiarity with the laws regarding criminal negligence and recklessness. Almost nothing you say in that post is correct, and if you're under the impression that the US is LESS criminally punitive than other comparable countries, you are sorely mistaken.
Malicious intent would be required to prove assault or malice murder (this kind of homicide is called different things in different states). There's all sorts of felony traffic offenses and homicides that don't require anywhere near malicious intent. The reason I said I wasn't going to play with the OP in this thread is because it assumed that penalties in the US are low which is begging the question. Low compared to what? What would be accomplished by raising them? How much should they be raised?
There's plenty of law on the books, if the problem is that police don't properly investigate or juries won't convict, your raised penalties won't get imposed anyway. Now if you want to have a real discussion of the issue, stop accusing people of trying to protect murderers. It just makes you sound stupid because obviously no one is trying to do that. The goal is to reduce or eliminate cyclist hit by motor death and injuries. Criminal penalties may play some role in that, but I don't think they're anywhere near the heart of the cause of the problem, nor would play much of a role in the solution.
Or you could just continue to stupidly insult people and end up talking to yourself. I'm good either way.
Malicious intent would be required to prove assault or malice murder (this kind of homicide is called different things in different states). There's all sorts of felony traffic offenses and homicides that don't require anywhere near malicious intent. The reason I said I wasn't going to play with the OP in this thread is because it assumed that penalties in the US are low which is begging the question. Low compared to what? What would be accomplished by raising them? How much should they be raised?
There's plenty of law on the books, if the problem is that police don't properly investigate or juries won't convict, your raised penalties won't get imposed anyway. Now if you want to have a real discussion of the issue, stop accusing people of trying to protect murderers. It just makes you sound stupid because obviously no one is trying to do that. The goal is to reduce or eliminate cyclist hit by motor death and injuries. Criminal penalties may play some role in that, but I don't think they're anywhere near the heart of the cause of the problem, nor would play much of a role in the solution.
Or you could just continue to stupidly insult people and end up talking to yourself. I'm good either way.
06-10-21, 07:06 AM
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06-10-21, 07:16 AM
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The goal should be to extract justice to the offenders AND to reduce/eliminate cyclists from being mowed down. Those are separate activities. The first is justice. A Meth impaired commercial truck driver mows down 7 cyclists killing 5 of them should get more than 10 years. I am in favor of the death penalty, Mr. Attorney. So, go ahead and call me stupid, too.
I called accusing people of wanting to protect murderers stupid, Mr. Not Attorney, and I stand by that. When someone acts stupidly by essentially calling other people names, I tend to call them out on it.
I've been involved with debating criminal sentences for a long time, and the main thing I've observed is that if you ask 10 people what would be a fair sentence for any crime that isn't intentional murder, you will get 10 different answers.
And yes, you can always pick out a case or two where we'll disagree with the sentence and use that to prove the system under-penalizes, but the U.S. uses incarceration far more than any comparable country, and we have higher violent crime rates and homicides than any comparable country.
This is definitely going off into P&R territory when you start bringing in stuff like the death penalty, BTW.
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I know this is a foreign thought process to many, but it's expected you keep it civil and on point, even in A&S.
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The goal should be to extract justice to the offenders AND to reduce/eliminate cyclists from being mowed down. Those are separate activities. The first is justice. A Meth impaired commercial truck driver mows down 7 cyclists killing 5 of them should get more than 10 years. I am in favor of the death penalty, Mr. Attorney. So, go ahead and call me stupid, too.
And BTW, that driver was sentenced to a minimum of 16 years in prison, not 10.
If you don't like that, your beef is with the prosecutor who agreed to the plea bargain. A life sentence was definitely on the table under existing laws.
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