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Old 04-27-21, 10:02 AM
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Good news for bicyclists in North Dakota

Three bills regarding bicycles have passed in the current legislative session:

1) HB 1148 : defining pedal assist "e-bikes" of 750 watts or less as bicycles.
2) HB 1252 : "STOP" means yield. ("Idaho stop")
3) HB 1290 : Minimum passing distance of 3 feet.

Seems to me that all three are good things. Also all three bills passed with large margins and bi-partisan support, which is also good news for bicyclists.
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Originally Posted by DangerousDanR
Three bills regarding bicycles have passed in the current legislative session:

1) HB 1148 : defining pedal assist "e-bikes" of 750 watts or less as bicycles.
2) HB 1252 : "STOP" means yield. ("Idaho stop")
3) HB 1290 : Minimum passing distance of 3 feet.

Seems to me that all three are good things. Also all three bills passed with large margins and bi-partisan support, which is also good news for bicyclists.
That’s great.
I’m sure all 17 cyclists in the state of N Dak will be very excited.
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Originally Posted by DangerousDanR
Three bills regarding bicycles have passed in the current legislative session:

1) HB 1148 : defining pedal assist "e-bikes" of 750 watts or less as bicycles.
2) HB 1252 : "STOP" means yield. ("Idaho stop")
3) HB 1290 : Minimum passing distance of 3 feet.

Seems to me that all three are good things. Also all three bills passed with large margins and bi-partisan support, which is also good news for bicyclists.
#2 is good news. I wish that was universal.
I've lived in a couple states with #3, and most motorists don't even know about the law...Though I suppose it may help at the margin.

And don't pay any attention to that other poster; it's what he craves.
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https://www.facebook.com/GreatRidesFargo/videos/2018-great-rides-100-person-ride/321981365029931/?__so__=permalink&__rv__=related_videos " data-width="500" data-show-text="true" data-lazy="true">
https://www.facebook.com/GreatRidesFargo/videos/2018-great-rides-100-person-ride/321981365029931/?__so__=permalink&__rv__=related_videos " class="fb-xfbml-parse-ignore">Facebook Post

So, a total of 131 on the 100 person ride. Mmmmm. That means we have about 800% of the states cyclists on one ride!

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Originally Posted by Koyote
#2 is good news. I wish that was universal.
I've lived in a couple states with #3, and most motorists don't even know about the law...Though I suppose it may help at the margin.

And don't pay any attention to that other poster; it's what he craves.
Yeah. Several years ago the Sheriff of Montgomery County, a populous county that borders Philadelphia (where I live) and the base of a very large cycling club, learned that PA has a FOUR foot law even though it had been on the books for at least 5 years. He then started a campaign to educate people. He held several press conferences and had 300 lawn signs made up and placed along popular cycling routes.

And yeah. I have spent about 2 weeks cycling in ND during two visits. There are far more than 17 cyclists in the state. I am willing to bet the number is between 75 and 100. Seriously...Two of Adventure Cycling's routes have many miles in ND. IIRC, at least one crosses the entire state.
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Andy Hampsten grew up in Grand Forks ND, learned to battle the open prairie winds riding the county roads. Wind = a hill that never ends.
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Originally Posted by DangerousDanR
https://www.facebook.com/GreatRidesF...related_videos

So, a total of 131 on the 100 person ride. Mmmmm. That means we have about 800% of the states cyclists on one ride!

They bussed them in from Minnesota.
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Stop or Yield do not mean ignore.
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Originally Posted by grizzly59
Andy Hampsten grew up in Grand Forks ND, learned to battle the open prairie winds riding the county roads. Wind = a hill that never ends.
I did not know that.

Lawrence Welk was from ND. I got a tour of his family’s homestead. It is preserved as a tourist attraction. A niece of his was the tour guide.

Yeah. The wind there can be killer. During my second trip there it took me and a friend an hour to go nine miles over gently rolling terrain riding road bikes and carrying no gear. When heading down in a tuck I could only get up to 12 mph. That stretch of the day was 18 miles directly into the wind. While hanging out at the next rest stop the SAG bus pulled up. It was full of riders who had pooped out.

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Originally Posted by Daniel4
Stop or Yield do not mean ignore.
Correct. But when I was last in ID riding (2019) I had to laugh at myself when I realized I was waiting at a traffic light when I didn’t have to. Had totally forgotten about the law there.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
I did not know that.

Lawrence Welk was from ND. I got a tour of his family’s homestead. It is preserved as a tourist attraction. A niece of his was the tour guide.

Yeah. The wind there can be killer. During my second trip there it took me and a friend an hour to go nine miles over gently rolling terrain riding road bikes and carrying no gear. When heading down in a tuck I could only get up to 12 mph. That stretch of the day was 18 miles directly into the wind. While hanging out at the next rest stop the SAG bus pulled up. It was full of riders who had pooped out.
ND is actually a very nice place if, and this is a big if, you can stand the winters. There is a delightful and vulgar YouTube video which starts "This is a weather alert for the state of North Dakota", and ends... Hey! No spoiler here. Look it up, but you have been warned that it is farm country humor.

No mountains, but the scenery can be majestic. I have not yet ridden the Madahey Trail https://mdhta.com/ but is on the list.

Unemployment is low. Thanks to the oil patch in the western part of the state taxes are low. Housing is fairly affordable. For a place that has horrible freeze thaw issues the roads are pretty good. Yes, the Adventure Cycling Association Northern Tier goes across ND. For the most part drivers are cautious and courteous.

But the wind! Second only to Scotland in my experience. Common to fight winds up to 40 MPH. On a blustery winter day my 2 mile commute could take half an hour if I was going straight into the wind.

The roads are often NS or EW, and the wind is often NW, NE, SW or SE, so it may never be your friend. I once plugged my weight, time, distance, climb (0), and the wind speed into a cycling wattage calculator and the numbers were astounding. And they were a pretty good match for what Wahoo said I burned in calories.

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Originally Posted by DangerousDanR
ND is actually a very nice place if, and this is a big if, you can stand the winters. There is a delightful and vulgar YouTube video which starts "This is a weather alert for the state of North Dakota", and ends... Hey! No spoiler here. Look it up, but you have been warned that it is farm country humor.

No mountains, but the scenery can be majestic. I have not yet ridden the Madahey Trail Maah Daah Hey Trail Association ? North Dakota's Best Kept Secret but is on the list.

Unemployment is low. Thanks to the oil patch in the western part of the state taxes are low. Housing is fairly affordable. For a place that has horrible freeze thaw issues the roads are pretty good. Yes, the Adventure Cycling Association Northern Tier goes across ND. For the most part drivers are cautious and courteous.

But the wind! Second only to Scotland in my experience. Common to fight winds up to 40 MPH. On a blustery winter day my 2 mile commute could take half an hour if I was going straight into the wind.

The roads are often NS or EW, and the wind is often NW, NE, SW or SE, so it may never be your friend. I once plugged my weight, time, distance, climb (0), and the wind speed into a cycling wattage calculator and the numbers were astounding. And they were a pretty good match for what Wahoo said I burned in calories.
Have you ever spent time riding in WY? 40 mph in some places is a gentle breeze. Leaving Rawlins I met a guy riding east to work at a Sinclair facility. He said some days it takes him 20 minutes to ride to work and an hour to ride home in the afternoon.

Winters. No thanks. Crossing the country in ‘99 we had a day off in Minot. I picked up a chamber of commerce leaflet or something. It listed the average daily high for February as something like 18 degrees.

For me, the neatest part about riding there was the openness. I felt like the roof had been lifted off and that I was totally free. But for gravity I could have ridden up like Elliott did in “E.T.” And the sunflower and canola field were beautiful.
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Originally Posted by DangerousDanR
ND is actually a very nice place if, and this is a big if, you can stand the winters. There is a delightful and vulgar YouTube video which starts "This is a weather alert for the state of North Dakota", and ends... Hey! No spoiler here. Look it up, but you have been warned that it is farm country humor.

No mountains, but the scenery can be majestic. I have not yet ridden the Madahey Trail https://mdhta.com/ but is on the list.

Unemployment is low. Thanks to the oil patch in the western part of the state taxes are low. Housing is fairly affordable. For a place that has horrible freeze thaw issues the roads are pretty good. Yes, the Adventure Cycling Association Northern Tier goes across ND. For the most part drivers are cautious and courteous.

But the wind! Second only to Scotland in my experience. Common to fight winds up to 40 MPH. On a blustery winter day my 2 mile commute could take half an hour if I was going straight into the wind.

The roads are often NS or EW, and the wind is often NW, NE, SW or SE, so it may never be your friend. I once plugged my weight, time, distance, climb (0), and the wind speed into a cycling wattage calculator and the numbers were astounding. And they were a pretty good match for what Wahoo said I burned in calories.
I was going to say I liked the Corn Palace, but then remembered that's the other one.

Sorry. In my heart, I'm still a snotty Minnesotan.
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That is good news for ND!
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
I was going to say I liked the Corn Palace, but then remembered that's the other one.

Sorry. In my heart, I'm still a snotty Minnesotan.
I thought Minnesotans like to pick on Iowa?
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Originally Posted by Koyote
I thought Minnesotans like to pick on Iowa?

There's 4 out of the 5 State Area to besmirch.

Minnesotan geography:
Iowa: cows and dead Buddy Holly
North Dakota: big flat empty with oil boom, gateway to Montana
South Dakota: dry North Dakota, weird tourist traps, Black Hills are nice
Wisconsin: beer, brats, cows, cheese, and cannibalistic serial killers

​​​​Note to OP: JK. Feel free to retaliate. I think it interesting that NDak is ahead of MN on this issue.

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[QUOTE=DangerousDanR;22049216]ND is actually a very nice place if, and this is a big if, you can stand the winters. There is a delightful and vulgar YouTube video which starts "This is a weather alert for the state of North Dakota", and ends... Hey! No spoiler here. Look it up, but you have been warned that it is farm country humor.

"This Weather Alert will be in affect until.................May!!"

My wife's family is from (and many still live in) Dickinson & Mandan/Bismarck. Visited with her several times....in July!
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I've heard from reliable sources that General Custer's last words were: "At least we don't have to go back through South Dakota."
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Originally Posted by Inusuit
I've heard from reliable sources that General Custer's last words were: "At least we don't have to go back through South Dakota."
I toured for 10 days in the Black Hills in 2015. For various reasons, I decided to not bring cooking gear, so I had to eat out. Apparently, the official condiment of SD is ranch dressing. It was everywhere. Even many of the veggies at salad bars were swimming in it. The day I did the Needles Highway loop out of Custer I passed a resort type place with a restaurant. One of the day's specials on the board was a salad with strawberries and goat cheese. I thought I had been transported back east. Had to stop for lunch there.

While having breakfast in Hot Springs I picked up a local paper. One of the front page stories was about the rising rate of STDs in the state.
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Wyoming has its own idiosyncrasies so probably not fair that I pick on South Dakota. I am very fond of the open spaces in either state. Tourists make a beeline for the Tetons and Yellowstone, complaining about the empty spaces on the way. The high plains has its own appeal to me, not the least of which is the absence of tourists.

Sounds like you had a great trip in the Black Hills. I've done that area a few times on a motorcycle. It's beautiful, the mountains as well as the bad lands.
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