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lovely road bike , what steel is the frame made of ?
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Originally Posted by georges1
lovely road bike , what steel is the frame made of ?
Gunnar calls it OS2 air hardened steel.

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Originally Posted by Shadco
Gunnar calls it OS2 air hardened steel.

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That is a True Temper steel, a good one.
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Originally Posted by georges1
That is a True Temper steel, a good one.
I thought it was Waterford/Gunnar's version of a custom blend of various tubing to match the rider/style.
So each frame could have had different specs. It isn't a steel, it's many varieties of tubing model and spec.

...or am I misremembering?
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
I thought it was Waterford/Gunnar's version of a custom blend of various tubing to match the rider/style.
So each frame could have had different specs. It isn't a steel, it's many varieties of tubing model and spec.

...or am I misremembering?
An article on a mosaic bike made with true temper os tubing and another thread comparing true temper os vs reynolds 753. And in 2016 True Temper exited the bicycle industry for good. Probably was the tubing in question custom made or upgraded ? I don't know. More on the subject with this good thread OS2 is OSX Platinum and here is the quote from Gunnar's website "We took advantage of these properties to develop a whole new system of tubes we call “OS2”. These tubes let us tune the ride the way we like at frame weights not possible with regular chromoly. It performs even better than the traditional tube dimensions using our air-hardening alloys It’s not just a great tubeset that makes a Gunnar. Every Gunnar is hand-built at Waterford Precision Cycles in Waterford, Wisconsin. We machine each frame with close-tolerance milling equipment to make sure each weld is clean and consistent. We use precision fixturing, aligning tools and fabrication protocols to insure that your Gunnar is straight and true, and we are blessed with talented craftspeople who are proud to build you your dream bike.." from about Gunnar But I think that Gunnar must now rely on Reynolds or/and Columbus since True Temper is gone
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Originally Posted by georges1
An article on a mosaic bike made with true temper os tubing and another thread comparing true temper os vs reynolds 753. And in 2016 True Temper exited the bicycle industry for good. Probably was the tubing in question custom made or upgraded ? I don't know. More on the subject with this good thread OS2 is OSX Platinum and here is the quote from Gunnar's website "We took advantage of these properties to develop a whole new system of tubes we call “OS2”. These tubes let us tune the ride the way we like at frame weights not possible with regular chromoly. It performs even better than the traditional tube dimensions using our air-hardening alloys It’s not just a great tubeset that makes a Gunnar. Every Gunnar is hand-built at Waterford Precision Cycles in Waterford, Wisconsin. We machine each frame with close-tolerance milling equipment to make sure each weld is clean and consistent. We use precision fixturing, aligning tools and fabrication protocols to insure that your Gunnar is straight and true, and we are blessed with talented craftspeople who are proud to build you your dream bike.." from about Gunnar But I think that Gunnar must now rely on Reynolds or/and Columbus since True Temper is gone
This is all just a mix of semantics and guessing.
The link you provided has Scooper providing a link to Gunnar's site that says they use a mix of TT OX and 853.

Back when the bike we are talking about was made, yeah it probably was TT tubing since Waterford was heavily invested in that at the time.
But OS2 isn't a known established tubeset. It's just some tubes that Waterford mixed and selected to make their frames. Comparatively, anyone could have selected All OX tubes or S3 tubes and used on of those respective labels.

Agreed, it's going to be quality tubing regardless of what it is- brand or model.
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Originally Posted by georges1
That is a True Temper steel, a good one.
I was surprised today, I was adjusting the rd in the shop today and decided to hang it on the Parks scale, without the seat bag but with cages and pedals 18 pounds 2 ounces.

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Originally Posted by Shadco
I was surprised today, I was adjusting the rd in the shop today and decided to hang it on the Parks scale, without the seat bag but with cages and pedals 18 pounds 2 ounces.

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outstanding, too bad true temper left the business
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Originally Posted by georges1
outstanding, too bad true temper left the business
Why? It isnt like TT had some magical tubing that weighs less than others and allowed the bike in question to weigh 18#2oz. Columbus, Reynolds, Tange, Kaisei, Variwall, Velospec, and more all have tubing that would allow a mid-sized caliper road frame with carbon fork and those components to weigh 18#.
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I have a 1987 Pinarello Montello SLX…trying to learn more as I acquired many many years ago and would like to learn more.
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This was my bike up until recently

This is it now....
Same frame tubes with modifications, new fork, new wheels, new groupset.....
Only had a few rides on it and so far very happy with it.
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Originally Posted by Nomad2

This is it now....
Same frame tubes with modifications, new fork, new wheels, new groupset.....
Only had a few rides on it and so far very happy with it.
Modifications to the frame tubes is an understatement. You mention the frame tubes are the same...did you really keep the seatstays and bend them?
Who did the removal and welding for the modified rear triangle?
Is the fork something stock or custom?
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Modifications to the frame tubes is an understatement. You mention the frame tubes are the same...did you really keep the seatstays and bend them?
Who did the removal and welding for the modified rear triangle?
Is the fork something stock or custom?
Yes, the seat stays are the originals modified. I had a local framebuilder do all the work. The objective was to upgrade the bike to hydraulic disc brakes (I have arthritic thumbs and found the old avid shorty's were stopping me from riding) whilst keeping the same basic geometry. The modified stays were a result of the new dropouts not working with the existing stays. The fork is custom based around Reynolds 631 disc fork blades.
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Originally Posted by Nomad2

This was my bike up until recently

This is it now....
Same frame tubes with modifications, new fork, new wheels, new groupset.....
Only had a few rides on it and so far very happy with it.
Very cool modification, enjoy!
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Originally Posted by Nomad2
Yes, the seat stays are the originals modified. I had a local framebuilder do all the work. The objective was to upgrade the bike to hydraulic disc brakes (I have arthritic thumbs and found the old avid shorty's were stopping me from riding) whilst keeping the same basic geometry. The modified stays were a result of the new dropouts not working with the existing stays. The fork is custom based around Reynolds 631 disc fork blades.
That is super cool that you recycled your Fuji frame tubings to create basically something totally new. The new bike is GORGEOUS! I think you must the first person I know to do something like that. Congrats to you and your builder on such great idea!
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i'm from italy....don't write so much,but like this place! here are my 3 grandis Custom size bike,2 vintage style and one more modern......all columbus tubng,the red one are SL,the silver SLX,and the modern ZONA. thanks to my friends Ezio and Alessandro Grandis for make this 3 Attachment 309321Attachment 309322Attachment 309323
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I guess I can update this again with the latest to sneak into the house.

This is a Kirk Terraplane I got my hands on for a ridiculously low price. Wasn't in the position at the time to buy another bike but the opportunity presented itself anyway.




Local find, Kuwahara Count. Never saw one before so I got it to refurbish and either enjoy or pass on. Lots of fun rides on this last year.



I've never had a Merckx so when this nicely equipped one showed up at a good price the winter I jumped on it. Still waiting for spring to give it a test ride.



I've been looking for a U.S. Flag themed Motta for years in my size. When I stumbled on this NOS beauty as a frameset I could not pass it up. Built it about a month ago with a nice 8 speed Record groupset.



Then being a fan of Oscar Freire back in the day I couldn't pass this up. Originally acquired by Tony Tom of Bike Odyssey, it is supposedly Oscar's training bike from his team he was on when he won his first WC. It's got a far amount of cosmetic wear but works beautifully on the stand. Olmo confirmed it was a team bike but have not gotten confirmation it was really Oscar's. Here again, found late last year and not test ridden yet due to a crazy winter.





Had a similar champagne brown Peugeot I rode all over Germany in the 80's. Searched for another for a long time and stumbled on this locally. It had been powder coated and then poorly refurbed. I sorted it all out, dressed 'er up a bit, threw on some tubular wheels and then enjoyed the heck out of it last summer.



Finally this was another local find. Pretty ratty when I got it, the main appeal being the Superbe parts. Plain was to strip the parts and then donate the frame to the local bike Coop. But I actually found a nice bike under the grime. So tore it all down, full service, polished up the paint and put 'er back together. It may be "too small" but man was it fun to ride last year also.

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And I finished this one finally. A Vanni Losa built beauty made for a bike shop in Switzerland. Mostly Suntour Superbe parts with a couple of Dura Ace bits sprinkled in.










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Originally Posted by georges1
outstanding, too bad true temper left the business
Bicycle frame tubing was always a minor side-interest for True Temper. Trek was one of TT's first and largest customers for bicycle frame tubing (both steel and aluminum); when steel bicycle frames became unfashionable, the market for that tubing shrank dramatically. Frankly, I'm surprised that they held out as long as they did, it can't have been a profit-center for them.
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Got the front wheel back from it’s spoke replacement and took the knobbies off for the summer, I did forget to grab a set of summer pedals or flat pedal shoes so I’ll be riding in Teva’s on the long weekend.
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I found this new Torelli frame and fork combo on Ebay for a good price. I had recently upgraded my CF bike but after getting this frame, pulled and moved those components and wheels to this and put the old 6800 stuff back on the CF frame. This Torelli Super Strada is TIG welded Columbus Zona and current setup is Shimano Ultegra 8000, Ritchey seatpost, FSA stem, DEDA bar, Fulcrum racing 3 wheels. Ended up at 18.5 pounds less pedals. I got back into road riding after fixing an old Viner and really appreciated the smooth ride. As I became more proficient I thought I better get a modern CF frame bike. I never really bonded with that bike and was always looking for a 90s frame I could upgrade and then this new Torelli showed up. No worrying about if all the threaded areas were OK and this came with a CF Columbus branded fork.

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Originally Posted by Shadco
I was surprised today, I was adjusting the rd in the shop today and decided to hang it on the Parks scale, without the seat bag but with cages and pedals 18 pounds 2 ounces.

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I gotta say I am a bit gutted by this. My Colnago Master with carbon / Ti super record and carbon wheels is 18 lbs. My other bikes must be tanks, I only weighed them as bare frames before painting. (except the pinarello)




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