New Peugeot MTB Project
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New Peugeot MTB Project
Picked up this Orient Express for $30 on CL. I have another one I turned into more of a gravel bike but want to keep this mostly original for some off road stuff. Guy said he bought 30 years ago and didn't ride it much, thought it was mostly original except for the pedals. As far as I can tell it's an 85 and the saddle probably isn't original. Also oddly, the brakes are reversed, front on the right, rear on the left - which is, I believe, how some folks do it in UK/Europe?
I'll obviously be changing that, replacing cables, probably tearing the wheels apart with new bearings. A few bent spokes so I'll replace those. Definitely new pedals. Might try to replace axles with QR axles if I can find the right length. Love the bars so I'm keeping those. But the shifters are friction shifters, would like to change to indexed. Any recommendations index shifters that would fit these bars?
Also thought about replacing the rear hub with a 10spd cassette and a front 1x. I've never rebuilt a wheel but kinda want to learn the process (I have a local bike co-op I can use and get assistance).
Question: what are the spacer things in the dropouts for? And what's the advantage of keeping them? Never seen them before.
I'll obviously be changing that, replacing cables, probably tearing the wheels apart with new bearings. A few bent spokes so I'll replace those. Definitely new pedals. Might try to replace axles with QR axles if I can find the right length. Love the bars so I'm keeping those. But the shifters are friction shifters, would like to change to indexed. Any recommendations index shifters that would fit these bars?
Also thought about replacing the rear hub with a 10spd cassette and a front 1x. I've never rebuilt a wheel but kinda want to learn the process (I have a local bike co-op I can use and get assistance).
Question: what are the spacer things in the dropouts for? And what's the advantage of keeping them? Never seen them before.
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Picked up this Orient Express for $30 on CL. I have another one I turned into more of a gravel bike but want to keep this mostly original for some off road stuff. Guy said he bought 30 years ago and didn't ride it much, thought it was mostly original except for the pedals. As far as I can tell it's an 85 and the saddle probably isn't original. Also oddly, the brakes are reversed, front on the right, rear on the left - which is, I believe, how some folks do it in UK/Europe?
I'll obviously be changing that, replacing cables, probably tearing the wheels apart with new bearings. A few bent spokes so I'll replace those. Definitely new pedals. Might try to replace axles with QR axles if I can find the right length. Love the bars so I'm keeping those. But the shifters are friction shifters, would like to change to indexed. Any recommendations index shifters that would fit these bars?
Also thought about replacing the rear hub with a 10spd cassette and a front 1x. I've never rebuilt a wheel but kinda want to learn the process (I have a local bike co-op I can use and get assistance).
Question: what are the spacer things in the dropouts for? And what's the advantage of keeping them? Never seen them before.
I'll obviously be changing that, replacing cables, probably tearing the wheels apart with new bearings. A few bent spokes so I'll replace those. Definitely new pedals. Might try to replace axles with QR axles if I can find the right length. Love the bars so I'm keeping those. But the shifters are friction shifters, would like to change to indexed. Any recommendations index shifters that would fit these bars?
Also thought about replacing the rear hub with a 10spd cassette and a front 1x. I've never rebuilt a wheel but kinda want to learn the process (I have a local bike co-op I can use and get assistance).
Question: what are the spacer things in the dropouts for? And what's the advantage of keeping them? Never seen them before.
Always wanted one of those back in the day .
Would look good sitting next to my road bike with same decals
I have wondered about those spacer doohickeys too .
I have a bunch in a drawer somewhere .
Someone will be along to educate us I am sure .
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Peugeot Dropout "Spacers"
Picked up this Orient Express for $30 on CL. As far as I can tell it's an 85 and the saddle probably isn't original.
Might try to replace axles with QR axles if I can find the right length.
But the shifters are friction shifters, would like to change to indexed. Any recommendations index shifters that would fit these bars?
Also thought about replacing the rear hub with a 10spd cassette and a front 1x. I've never rebuilt a wheel but kinda want to learn the process (I have a local bike co-op I can use and get assistance).
Question: what are the spacer things in the dropouts for? And what's the advantage of keeping them? Never seen them before.
Might try to replace axles with QR axles if I can find the right length.
But the shifters are friction shifters, would like to change to indexed. Any recommendations index shifters that would fit these bars?
Also thought about replacing the rear hub with a 10spd cassette and a front 1x. I've never rebuilt a wheel but kinda want to learn the process (I have a local bike co-op I can use and get assistance).
Question: what are the spacer things in the dropouts for? And what's the advantage of keeping them? Never seen them before.
The rear dropouts are measuring 123mm. They should be 126mm wide for those wheels. If you spread them, make sure that the dropouts are aligned and the rear triangle is parallel with the rest of the frame.
Nutted hubs like yours are usually lower quality and not worth spending a lot of money on to upgrade to QR. For example Wheels Manufacturing makes hollow replacement axles but they've gone from ~$20 to $40 each !!! Then kick in QR skewers and so on....
You might be better off trying to find a used set of wheels at you co-op but... 126mm MTB wheels may be hard to find. Most MTB wheels from the late 80's are going to have 130mm wide rear hubs which will require even more dropout spreading.
There's always Shimano thumby index shifters for sale cheap on eBay. Does the bike have a cassette or freewheel? How many sprockets - 6 or 7? Get shifters to match the number of sprockets.
A 10 speed cassette is going to take a 130mm rear hub. Also a 10 speed chain, a 10 speed index shifter plus you existing derailleurs may not play nice with the narrower chain.
My suggestion is to back into the job slowly while you're learning. That is address one or two changes at a time while you round up parts. You have a 37 year old bike and sometimes parts are hard to come by.
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Can't go wrong with the bullmoose bars. This could be folklore, but I thought I read somewhere here that those dropout inserts were Shimano specific for bikes that still had semi-horizontal dropouts--it was important that the axle be as close to over the derailleur hanger as possible.
I loved my Paris Express, such a great bike. Went to a new owner two years ago.
DSC_0015 by Eat More Plants1, on Flickr
I loved my Paris Express, such a great bike. Went to a new owner two years ago.
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The "spacer things in the dropouts" are axle position stops so you can remove and replace the rear wheel without having to visually center it between the chain stays. They are useful, I'd keep them.
The rear dropouts are measuring 123mm. They should be 126mm wide for those wheels. If you spread them, make sure that the dropouts are aligned and the rear triangle is parallel with the rest of the frame.
Nutted hubs like yours are usually lower quality and not worth spending a lot of money on to upgrade to QR. For example Wheels Manufacturing makes hollow replacement axles but they've gone from ~$20 to $40 each !!! Then kick in QR skewers and so on....
You might be better off trying to find a used set of wheels at you co-op but... 126mm MTB wheels may be hard to find. Most MTB wheels from the late 80's are going to have 130mm wide rear hubs which will require even more dropout spreading.
There's always Shimano thumby index shifters for sale cheap on eBay. Does the bike have a cassette or freewheel? How many sprockets - 6 or 7? Get shifters to match the number of sprockets.
A 10 speed cassette is going to take a 130mm rear hub. Also a 10 speed chain, a 10 speed index shifter plus you existing derailleurs may not play nice with the narrower chain.
My suggestion is to back into the job slowly while you're learning. That is address one or two changes at a time while you round up parts. You have a 37 year old bike and sometimes parts are hard to come by.
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The rear dropouts are measuring 123mm. They should be 126mm wide for those wheels. If you spread them, make sure that the dropouts are aligned and the rear triangle is parallel with the rest of the frame.
Nutted hubs like yours are usually lower quality and not worth spending a lot of money on to upgrade to QR. For example Wheels Manufacturing makes hollow replacement axles but they've gone from ~$20 to $40 each !!! Then kick in QR skewers and so on....
You might be better off trying to find a used set of wheels at you co-op but... 126mm MTB wheels may be hard to find. Most MTB wheels from the late 80's are going to have 130mm wide rear hubs which will require even more dropout spreading.
There's always Shimano thumby index shifters for sale cheap on eBay. Does the bike have a cassette or freewheel? How many sprockets - 6 or 7? Get shifters to match the number of sprockets.
A 10 speed cassette is going to take a 130mm rear hub. Also a 10 speed chain, a 10 speed index shifter plus you existing derailleurs may not play nice with the narrower chain.
My suggestion is to back into the job slowly while you're learning. That is address one or two changes at a time while you round up parts. You have a 37 year old bike and sometimes parts are hard to come by.
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Great find and that would be a great foundation for a gravel conversion of just a fun mountain bike. That's my favourite Peugeot decal scheme/design but then I might be biased. Peugeot sure had a variety of different bikes, with different design schemes varying by region.
My 1999 Peugeot Dune, in it's original state. I've since added a riser stem and a rear rack.
My 1999 Peugeot Dune, in it's original state. I've since added a riser stem and a rear rack.
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Great find and that would be a great foundation for a gravel conversion of just a fun mountain bike. That's my favourite Peugeot decal scheme/design but then I might be biased. Peugeot sure had a variety of different bikes, with different design schemes varying by region.
My 1999 Peugeot Dune, in it's original state. I've since added a riser stem and a rear rack.
My 1999 Peugeot Dune, in it's original state. I've since added a riser stem and a rear rack.
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Thanks, I like the design on yours better but this bike was like in mint shape for a 20 year old bike and a great price so couldn't resist it.
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Peugeot MTB FW
The Shimano Deore LX RD is made for indexing. After you clean up and lubricate everything you may find that the Deore LX will shift like an indexing set up. The secret to effective indexing was the lateral side to side float of the upper pulley which allowed it to self center on the sprockets. New cables and housings will probably make things a lot smoother.
There was a lot of weirdness with the early Shimano 6 speed indexing shifters. They didn't get things worked out until the introduction of SIS. I've been using these Shimano SL-MT62, Deore II 7-8 speed thumbies with a Deore LX RD and a 6 speed FW since 1992. They still work great! YMMV
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Looks like everything is low mileage. Unless there is some specific need to change the gear ratio I'd stick with the old FW, especially if it's a Shimano, Suntour or Atom brand. Good freewheels are getting expensive. There are some Asian made ones that are cheaper but their quality varies....
The Shimano Deore LX RD is made for indexing. After you clean up and lubricate everything you may find that the Deore LX will shift like an indexing set up. The secret to effective indexing was the lateral side to side float of the upper pulley which allowed it to self center on the sprockets. New cables and housings will probably make things a lot smoother.
There was a lot of weirdness with the early Shimano 6 speed indexing shifters. They didn't get things worked out until the introduction of SIS. I've been using these Shimano SL-MT62, Deore II 7-8 speed thumbies with a Deore LX RD and a 6 speed FW since 1992. They still work great! YMMV
If it aint broke, don't fix it!
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The Shimano Deore LX RD is made for indexing. After you clean up and lubricate everything you may find that the Deore LX will shift like an indexing set up. The secret to effective indexing was the lateral side to side float of the upper pulley which allowed it to self center on the sprockets. New cables and housings will probably make things a lot smoother.
There was a lot of weirdness with the early Shimano 6 speed indexing shifters. They didn't get things worked out until the introduction of SIS. I've been using these Shimano SL-MT62, Deore II 7-8 speed thumbies with a Deore LX RD and a 6 speed FW since 1992. They still work great! YMMV
If it aint broke, don't fix it!
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Picked up this Orient Express for $30 on CL. I have another one I turned into more of a gravel bike but want to keep this mostly original for some off road stuff. Guy said he bought 30 years ago and didn't ride it much, thought it was mostly original except for the pedals. As far as I can tell it's an 85 and the saddle probably isn't original. Also oddly, the brakes are reversed, front on the right, rear on the left - which is, I believe, how some folks do it in UK/Europe?
I'll obviously be changing that, replacing cables, probably tearing the wheels apart with new bearings. A few bent spokes so I'll replace those. Definitely new pedals. Might try to replace axles with QR axles if I can find the right length. Love the bars so I'm keeping those. But the shifters are friction shifters, would like to change to indexed. Any recommendations index shifters that would fit these bars?
Also thought about replacing the rear hub with a 10spd cassette and a front 1x. I've never rebuilt a wheel but kinda want to learn the process (I have a local bike co-op I can use and get assistance).
Question: what are the spacer things in the dropouts for? And what's the advantage of keeping them? Never seen them before.
I'll obviously be changing that, replacing cables, probably tearing the wheels apart with new bearings. A few bent spokes so I'll replace those. Definitely new pedals. Might try to replace axles with QR axles if I can find the right length. Love the bars so I'm keeping those. But the shifters are friction shifters, would like to change to indexed. Any recommendations index shifters that would fit these bars?
Also thought about replacing the rear hub with a 10spd cassette and a front 1x. I've never rebuilt a wheel but kinda want to learn the process (I have a local bike co-op I can use and get assistance).
Question: what are the spacer things in the dropouts for? And what's the advantage of keeping them? Never seen them before.
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On the discussion of choosing or upgrading a group set for a 90's mountain bike, I am inclined to keep the original 3 x bikes to allow for a lower set of gears, avoid a new drive train, crank and cassette but has anyone ever used those 3 x 6/7 brifters on a rebuild?
I've seen them online and was wondering if they are a good choice for a mountain bike conversion but allowing to keep the original group set of 3 x 6/7? They sell for less than $100 and if they work well, would make for a relatively simple conversion.
I've seen them online and was wondering if they are a good choice for a mountain bike conversion but allowing to keep the original group set of 3 x 6/7? They sell for less than $100 and if they work well, would make for a relatively simple conversion.
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