Poguemahone

+10 million. Neither of these is close to needing a respray. It will depress value as well.

king_boru

So, what would a score like this be worth?

Poguemahone

Also, based on the picture, I'd take a close look at the Cinelli's fork. There's some weird bend there. This may be photo distortion-- not unusual. But I wouldn't sell with that picture. You get into this area/price range of vintage rides, and the buyers know a lot about what they're looking at and are very careful.

p964

I really thought that the Cinelli was "well worn" in terms of paint. I guess I will refer to this as "patina" now and leave it alone. What about cleaning up the chrome - is that a no-no as well and I should just leave everything alone.

Poguemahone

If you clean the chrome, use fine BRASS (not steel) wool.

KonAaron Snake 

That Cinelli SC has so much potential! Congrats!

The advice here is good...one thing it really needs is a 26.2 Campagnolo NR seat post. The tires also seriously need to be changed out. I think it's early - mid-70s from what I'm seeing.

This is a crappy photo (all of mine are), but this one is pretty close to yours in date and might help you with the aesthetic.



If your intention is to sell it here, leave it alone. The buyer will prefer doing it their way.

p964

So it looks like I should leave it alone. I know that if I intend to sell these I need to post the information on another forum but wanted to know how easy it is to sell on this website vs. eBay. I really do not want to deal with the hassle of shipping these bikes and would rather have someone know what they are getting vs. shipping the bikes off to Italy or somewhere else.

p964

I just looked at the photo that you sent over - it looks a lot like the bike I have. It is starting to make sense that this couple bought these bikes new in the early 70's with the intent on using them to travel around the US.

KonAaron Snake 

If you're unwilling to ship (and shipping comes with risk...especially, and I mean no offense, when you're a novice) the size of your market drops regardless of where/how you sell it. Without shipping I think eBay is actually worse than our forum, or craigslist. That's also true as far as rougher bikes needing prep. Your patience also has a lot to do with final price...if you are willing to wait 2 months you'll possibly get more.

If you want specific pricing advice, I'd be happy to advise on the other forum. While many here mean well, the truth is that many who will advise you on price have also never bought, or sold, a bike like the SC.

My guess is that the Cinelli is a 52cm or so, and the Colnago even smaller...so without shipping you're really losing the main market for that size (Japan, China, etc.).

clubman 

I think you're right.

Kilroy1988 

@Poguemahone @clubman If you right-click the image to get a full-size view, you can see that the distortion is caused by the shadow of whatever it is that's zip-tied onto the fork, plus the spoke that's sticking out just behind it. Seem straight!

p964

I will take another picture when I get home from work - I believe I had the wheel turned and the angle I was taking the picture but want to be sure that everything is OK with the bike.

p964

Aaron,

I will put together another post on the valuation board with some more detailed pictures of the bike (now that I have 10 posts I can attach pictures).

Thanks,
Darryl

toavii

Without the bike in front of me, I think that fork is fine. Camera is playing tricks with the angle the fork is at in addition to the cable for the computer zip tied down the length.

Unless the bike(s) are for you, would advise against a repaint. That's a zero sum game. That's a decision for the buyer at the end of line. Both bikes could certainly benefit from some cleanup though. Paint, chrome, and components. Before going down that road, this forum has many great resources for approaching the bike so as to not cause any damage. Would suggest reading up before doing any cleanup at all (i.e. power washers are generally not friendly to bicycles etc).

Kactus

For Italian bikes, they are normally measured from the center of the crank to the center of the horizontal top tube.

repechage

Not back then though.

The change appeared to me to happen in the 80's. Not all at once, but a steady reset. At one time I thought it was due to the emergence of the 28.6mm top tube.

p964

I went ahead and posted some more pictures of the bikes in the valuation forum

bikingshearer 

You can measure it along the seat tube from the center of the crank/bottom bracket to either the top of the seat tube/top tube intersection (center-to-top, or c-t-t) or to the middle of the top tube intersection (center-to-center or c-t-c). Just identify which measurement you are using.

Top tubes, on the other hand, are pretty much always measured center-to-center (mid-point of the seat tube to mid-point of the head tube).

davester

Very nice, though a little sad that the top tube paint looks damaged in the photos. I have a '74 Super Corsa, which looks very similar but has brazed on bottle bosses. Yours doesn't so it's definitely earlier than that.