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Old 06-16-21, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Distributors have contracted agreements with brands to distribute product in a specific geographic area. They have costs, obviously, which increases the price you pay. Distributors are out of some things, so shops are then out of those things.
Ali Express has no contracted agreements with those brands. Some products are fake, some are gray market, and some are legitimate.

Its quite simple to see the difference in supply models.
What's not so simple is the why? The West is by far the largest consumer of the top-tier Shimano products yet we are the ones constrained by limited supply channels, inflated mark-ups and reduced inventories. I just received a pair of 160mm XTR rotors and 170mm 810 GRX crankset within 2 weeks of order on Ali both of which are unavailable in the local marketplace and for 1/2 the MSRP. Something is seriously wrong here.
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Old 06-16-21, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
There is way too much effort spent in selling cars for it to not be worth selling cars.

The margin on cars is not so big so the financial relationship created is where the profit is found.



Dealerships need to move iron to gain factory incentives but the lion share of money is made through service and parts and it is the same for the bike industry.
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Old 06-16-21, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
Lol. Bikes are simple machines and not that hard to understand.

I've perused Sheldon's info numerous times. Nothing earth shattering or ground breaking.

Like it or not...Online purchasing is the way most bikes will be bought in the future. The LBS is the middle man, making the bike cost more than the consumer wants to pay. My current 2 mountain bikes were purchased online sight unseen.
He had lots of great advice about bikes, and was very generous with his time writing up his knowledge for us.

But, that is not really what made him special. He was decent, kind, and funny. That is what made him special for many of us.

I still miss him.

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Old 06-16-21, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Stan Heinricher View Post
If I were still racing, new technology would be important to me. But now that I'm old, I find pleasure in things that aren't cutting-edge. Like printed books, charcoal grills, acoustic guitars made of wood -- you get the picture.
I can totally understand the appeal of simpler living, simpler technology, etc. Especially when it comes to hobbies.
But your complaint is just funny since I am confident you arent living your life surrounded by 40 year old tech. Everything has changed and requires new tools/standards for maintenance.
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Old 06-16-21, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
What's not so simple is the why? The West is by far the largest consumer of the top-tier Shimano products yet we are the ones constrained by limited supply channels, inflated mark-ups and reduced inventories. I just received a pair of 160mm XTR rotors and 170mm 810 GRX crankset within 2 weeks of order on Ali both of which are unavailable in the local marketplace and for 1/2 the MSRP. Something is seriously wrong here.
Europe has limited supply chains, distributors, reduced inventories, etc. I am not sure why you think the US is alone in that. google 'european supply chain bicycle parts' and you can see recent articles about this citing England, Brussels, Bike Europe, Shimano Europe, etc.
Your comments are at least partially just inaccurate.

Ali sold products are circumventing the brand's official supply chain. That is, in part, why they are cheaper.
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Old 06-16-21, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Europe has limited supply chains, distributors, reduced inventories, etc. I am not sure why you think the US is alone in that. google 'european supply chain bicycle parts' and you can see recent articles about this citing England, Brussels, Bike Europe, Shimano Europe, etc.
Your comments are at least partially just inaccurate.

Ali sold products are circumventing the brand's official supply chain. That is, in part, why they are cheaper.
Myself and many others would consider Europe as part of the West.
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Old 06-16-21, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
Myself and many others would consider Europe as part of the West.
Oh, true enough.

Well 1.3 billion people and most of the wealthiest countries are in the area you are complaining about. Its hardly an isolated issue because its how the supply chains work.
I guess you should just keep hitting up Ali and hoping what ships to you is real/quality. Sounds like the best bet.
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Old 06-16-21, 03:58 PM
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Gonna get worse.

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Old 06-16-21, 04:05 PM
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Depends if you are buying a bike with lower priced components.
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Originally Posted by Cpn_Dunsel View Post
History repeats, whether we learn it or not.
Times change and methods of doing business does as well. Case in point, my barber went the mobile route during the pandemic and now has a fully equipped mobile shop. I love the convenience, he loves the flexibility and is able to pick up new customers he'd never been exposed to.
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Old 06-18-21, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by UCantTouchThis View Post
Wow, I have about 30 in within a 10 mile radius. And I only trust one mechanic. Thankfully he opened his own shop after working for others most of his career.

Luckily I build my own wheels and bikes so no need for a shop either. Save a ton of cash too and best QC ever. Yes, I worked as a quality control inspector in a machine shop for 15 years so this bike stuff is a cinch.
Where do you live where there are 30 bike shops within 10 miles ?
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Old 06-18-21, 09:02 PM
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I just learned today, after thinking it was about time to buy some more brake pads. I'd always given Harris that business since Sheldon did so much evangelizing for Kool Stops.

Sounds like the Sheldon Brown page is in good hands, though. Hope it continues!
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Old 06-20-21, 06:56 PM
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& what the heck happened to Radio Shack?
The boys in Ft. Worth became hopelessly out of touch. It was embarrassing at times.
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Old 06-21-21, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by CheGiantForLife View Post
Where do you live where there are 30 bike shops within 10 miles ?
maybe where there are lots of bikes? China? pr giggle - The Netherlands holds the record as the nation with the most bicycles per capita. Cyclists also abound in Norway, Sweden, Germany, and Denmark?
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Originally Posted by CheGiantForLife View Post
Where do you live where there are 30 bike shops within 10 miles ?
Probably easy scenario if you're in a metro area. Per google maps, there are 10 shops within a 2.3 mile radius of where I'm sitting.
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Old 06-21-21, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
I can totally understand the appeal of simpler living, simpler technology, etc. Especially when it comes to hobbies.
But your complaint is just funny since I am confident you arent living your life surrounded by 40 year old tech. Everything has changed and requires new tools/standards for maintenance.
For things like cars, HVAC and pretty soon if not already the lawnmower having batteries or a cord, change is forced because the old ways had unsustainable issues.

But cycling? Not much wrong with 40 year old tech unless you really care to be bothered. Modern clothing, helmet etc technology probably matters more, but the base forms of those have been around for a while, too.

Cell phones light enough to bring on a ride and having GPS and map database access of course are a game changer... but somewhat orthogonal in that they'd work just as well riding a 100 year old bike as they do on the latest carbon creation.
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Old 06-21-21, 11:35 AM
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The free market is known by another name: The Jungle. Don't want to live there.
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The disappearance of traditional hometown bike shops makes me glad that I'm riding a 1978 steel road bike that's maintainable with simple tools I bought 40 years ago.
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....it seems we won't care about the damage done to the small LBS until they are all gone.
I've no financial interest in small businesses and I don't care who does the job or sells me the product providing it's done properly.
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Is the UK and Europe suffering from the same parts bottlenecks?
Yes, along with Asia, and I assume Africa and S. America and Australia.
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Seeing this thread near the top of the pile reminded me that I need to make a service appointment at a LBS for brake pad installs and some new bar tape. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Stan Heinricher View Post
The disappearance of traditional hometown bike shops makes me glad that I'm riding a 1978 steel road bike that's maintainable with simple tools I bought 40 years ago.
My suspicion is that a lot of the recent "innovation" is a bad bargain for anyone not pushing a competitive racing edge.
Eg, I see carbon anything as an anti-feature.

But there are select changes probably worthwhile, for example I could be wrong but I'd guess there are few socket head fasteners on that 1978 model. The normalization of their use is a big win - as is having them all metric.
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Tools to maintain an old road bike: Park work stand, allen wrenches, crank extractor,13mm flat wrench for centering brake pads on the rims, Brooks saddle wrench, Kiwi mink oil as cheap substitute for Brooks Proofhide, flat wrenches to adjust hub cones, needle-nose pliers to cinch up cables, freewheel removal tool for 5-speed cassette, chain breaker, Zefal frame pump, spare tube, tire patch kit, Campy 8mm t-tool for derailleurs.
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Old 06-28-21, 01:08 PM
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Yes, along with Asia, and I assume Africa and S. America and Australia.
So Antarctica has a robust parts supply?
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So Antarctica has a robust parts supply?
I've certainly not heard of any bicycle parts shortages in Antarctica.
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