Cyclist shot during morning ride
06-07-08, 07:17 AM
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Cyclist shot during morning ride
I just found out my friends dad was shot in my home town while riding.
https://www.caller.com/news/2008/jun/...ing-bike-ride/
Though it seems to be a random act of violence I do feel he was targeted because he is a cyclist. This really upsets me. I will update if anyone is captured.
https://www.caller.com/news/2008/jun/...ing-bike-ride/
Though it seems to be a random act of violence I do feel he was targeted because he is a cyclist. This really upsets me. I will update if anyone is captured.
06-07-08, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by the article
A local lawyer was shot in the back during his morning bike ride Thursday along Ennis Joslin.
About two hours later and about a mile away, a jogger on Ocean Drive ducked and narrowly missed getting shot.
About two hours later and about a mile away, a jogger on Ocean Drive ducked and narrowly missed getting shot.
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This is Africa, 1943. War spits out its violence overhead and the sandy graveyard swallows it up. Her name is King Nine, B-25, medium bomber, Twelfth Air Force. On a hot, still morning she took off from Tunisia to bomb the southern tip of Italy. An errant piece of flak tore a hole in a wing tank and, like a wounded bird, this is where she landed, not to return on this day, or any other day.
This is Africa, 1943. War spits out its violence overhead and the sandy graveyard swallows it up. Her name is King Nine, B-25, medium bomber, Twelfth Air Force. On a hot, still morning she took off from Tunisia to bomb the southern tip of Italy. An errant piece of flak tore a hole in a wing tank and, like a wounded bird, this is where she landed, not to return on this day, or any other day.
06-07-08, 08:49 AM
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We had that problem in our town, so the sheriff started to jog on the trail. Sure enough, ****er took a shot at him.
I think he is still in jail.
I think he is still in jail.
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Could be gang initiation -- random by definition -- or it could be some sickos who just hate, and target the healthy ones out exercising "because they're there".
Sure as hell, though, that's no platform to stand on and shout "Gun control!" again.... Please. people. Another gun law is NOT going to slow down one single thug, one single criminal, one single sicko. It's already against the law to own a gun if you have a mental health history, and we know how well enforcement against felons is going. But the answer is not another law that won't/can't be enforced; rather, to enforce WITH ZEAL what we do have! (btw, I state this because of all the commentary after the article itself.)
Sure as hell, though, that's no platform to stand on and shout "Gun control!" again.... Please. people. Another gun law is NOT going to slow down one single thug, one single criminal, one single sicko. It's already against the law to own a gun if you have a mental health history, and we know how well enforcement against felons is going. But the answer is not another law that won't/can't be enforced; rather, to enforce WITH ZEAL what we do have! (btw, I state this because of all the commentary after the article itself.)
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Too bad nobody returned fire.
06-07-08, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Corpus Christi Caller-Times newspaper
Police did not release what type of gun may have been used in either shooting, citing the ongoing investigation. Attorney Jim McKibben, Hermansen's law partner of 33 years, said doctors had to remove 50 to 100 pellets during three hours of surgery. Doctors have told family members that they expect his recovery to take at least six weeks.
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Could be gang initiation -- random by definition -- or it could be some sickos who just hate, and target the healthy ones out exercising "because they're there".
Sure as hell, though, that's no platform to stand on and shout "Gun control!" again.... Please. people. Another gun law is NOT going to slow down one single thug, one single criminal, one single sicko. It's already against the law to own a gun if you have a mental health history, and we know how well enforcement against felons is going. But the answer is not another law that won't/can't be enforced; rather, to enforce WITH ZEAL what we do have! (btw, I state this because of all the commentary after the article itself.)
Sure as hell, though, that's no platform to stand on and shout "Gun control!" again.... Please. people. Another gun law is NOT going to slow down one single thug, one single criminal, one single sicko. It's already against the law to own a gun if you have a mental health history, and we know how well enforcement against felons is going. But the answer is not another law that won't/can't be enforced; rather, to enforce WITH ZEAL what we do have! (btw, I state this because of all the commentary after the article itself.)
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If the weapon used were a shotgun, we would be discussing a fatality, not the recovery of someone who had 100 pellets removed from his back. The shell used was almost certainly birdshot. The intent was probably to inflict pain rather than to kill. The weapon was probably a pistol. It would be easier to use from a car and hide again.
The NRA magazine "American Rifleman" has a full page of stories every month about ordinary citizens who saved their own lives when confronted by very bad people intent on doing great harm. These armed citizens were able to use their own guns to stop people who would have killed them. Go to this link and enter any search term like "intruder" or "carjacking." I entered "church" and got five pages of hits on bad guys who intended on doing violence in or near to houses of worship, some during the worship service. More and stronger gun control laws is a knee jerk reaction that leaves only the bad guys with guns. Citizens with concealed carry permits are among the most law-abiding of all and they function as a silent, invisible adjunct to the police. They are not a threat to the general populace, but an asset.
The NRA magazine "American Rifleman" has a full page of stories every month about ordinary citizens who saved their own lives when confronted by very bad people intent on doing great harm. These armed citizens were able to use their own guns to stop people who would have killed them. Go to this link and enter any search term like "intruder" or "carjacking." I entered "church" and got five pages of hits on bad guys who intended on doing violence in or near to houses of worship, some during the worship service. More and stronger gun control laws is a knee jerk reaction that leaves only the bad guys with guns. Citizens with concealed carry permits are among the most law-abiding of all and they function as a silent, invisible adjunct to the police. They are not a threat to the general populace, but an asset.
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If the weapon used were a shotgun, we would be discussing a fatality, not the recovery of someone who had 100 pellets removed from his back. The shell used was almost certainly birdshot. The intent was probably to inflict pain rather than to kill. The weapon was probably a pistol. It would be easier to use from a car and hide again.
The NRA magazine "American Rifleman" has a full page of stories every month about ordinary citizens who saved their own lives when confronted by very bad people intent on doing great harm. These armed citizens were able to use their own guns to stop people who would have killed them. Go to this link and enter any search term like "intruder" or "carjacking." I entered "church" and got five pages of hits on bad guys who intended on doing violence in or near to houses of worship, some during the worship service. More and stronger gun control laws is a knee jerk reaction that leaves only the bad guys with guns. Citizens with concealed carry permits are among the most law-abiding of all and they function as a silent, invisible adjunct to the police. They are not a threat to the general populace, but an asset.
The NRA magazine "American Rifleman" has a full page of stories every month about ordinary citizens who saved their own lives when confronted by very bad people intent on doing great harm. These armed citizens were able to use their own guns to stop people who would have killed them. Go to this link and enter any search term like "intruder" or "carjacking." I entered "church" and got five pages of hits on bad guys who intended on doing violence in or near to houses of worship, some during the worship service. More and stronger gun control laws is a knee jerk reaction that leaves only the bad guys with guns. Citizens with concealed carry permits are among the most law-abiding of all and they function as a silent, invisible adjunct to the police. They are not a threat to the general populace, but an asset.
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Karlenbach,
Sir, I can't speak about the country YOU come from, but in MY country (the US of A) it's already illegal for "gangbangers" and "headcases" to own firearms.
In MY country, the rights of law-abiding citizens (as well as criminals) are protected by an often-forgotten document called "The Constitution."
No sir, I wouldn't wanna live where you come from...
Sir, I can't speak about the country YOU come from, but in MY country (the US of A) it's already illegal for "gangbangers" and "headcases" to own firearms.
In MY country, the rights of law-abiding citizens (as well as criminals) are protected by an often-forgotten document called "The Constitution."
No sir, I wouldn't wanna live where you come from...
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You could always emigrate to a country that bans or severely restricts personal firearms. But wait, oh that's right, after these bans were implemented firearms related crimes have always gone up.
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How about controlling criminals instead?
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My guess (since we're all simply speculating here) would be sawed-off shotgun.
Furthermore, I'm guessing it was a twelve gauge shotgun...not because of anything in the article, but rather because it is - by far - the most commonly produced chambering of shotgun.)
If the perp fired from a distance of ...say 25 yards, the pattern would certainly be wide enough to cover the totality of an adult's back, and would likely still retain enough terminal energy to penetrate cycling clothes and skin.
As to the pistol (revolver, actually) theory...it's certainly possible. In my experience, those loads were called "Snakeshot" rounds. I doubt that a .38sp Snakeshot round has but 40-50 bb's of shot in them.
Furthermore, I'm guessing it was a twelve gauge shotgun...not because of anything in the article, but rather because it is - by far - the most commonly produced chambering of shotgun.)
If the perp fired from a distance of ...say 25 yards, the pattern would certainly be wide enough to cover the totality of an adult's back, and would likely still retain enough terminal energy to penetrate cycling clothes and skin.
As to the pistol (revolver, actually) theory...it's certainly possible. In my experience, those loads were called "Snakeshot" rounds. I doubt that a .38sp Snakeshot round has but 40-50 bb's of shot in them.
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The .38 shotshells I use have 1/4 oz of #9 lead shot in them. That would be almost 150 pellets. They would have had to be right on top of the guy though as these won't even kill a snake at more than about 20 feet.
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best wishes for mr. hermansen to have a full recovery.
it seems that he is in rough shape according to the article. hope he gets better.
it seems that he is in rough shape according to the article. hope he gets better.
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06-08-08, 03:06 PM
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Strong gun control laws will work just as well as strong drug laws.
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Nice to see the "guns = peace" argument deployed so swiftly. And bolstered by no less an organ of journalistic objectivity than the NRA's own magazine. Perhaps they have some handy tips in there for riding strapped, as well.
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Very strong gun control up here in Toronto.... and lots of gun crime. Doesn't seem to be much "preventing of gun crime" going on up here.
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The damage done by a shotgun depends (in large part) on the distance between the gun and the person shot. The incident report indicates that Mr. Whittington was 30 yards from Mr. Cheney. Ballistics tests support that assertion as consistent with the wounds Mr. Whittington sustained. Somewhere I read another account of the Corpus Christi incident in which the cyclist/lawyer was shot, and it indicated the range was much closer than that. When I took an NRA gun safety course, the instructor said he would want a shotgun for his own defense in a home invasion situation because even a shot that almost missed would be fatal.
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at close ranges a shotgun needs to be aimed since it'll hit in the area the size of a pie tin.
we all know how much foosters enjoy pie around this place!
we all know how much foosters enjoy pie around this place!
06-08-08, 09:05 PM
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"The intent was probably to inflict pain rather than to kill."
I suspect the choice of shot size was purely random, not a function of the intended degree of harm. If you don't have a clue and go to buy shotgun shells, you'll have some form of birdshot.
I suspect the choice of shot size was purely random, not a function of the intended degree of harm. If you don't have a clue and go to buy shotgun shells, you'll have some form of birdshot.
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