I got a tax refund - which wheelset is the best bang for the buck?
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I got a tax refund - which wheelset is the best bang for the buck?
Looking to get a quality set of light(er) wheels for my 2001 Cannondale R1000 Caad4 rebuild. Can't break the bank, but I'd like something better than I can go get off the shelf at my local shop - which would probably be something like a set of Mavic CXP Elites, or the like. Good wheels, but I can do better.
Lots of wheelsets are still sold out, but I was bouncing around on Velomine and came across the following. Would love some input on what y'all think would be the best bang for the buck.
Mavic Open Pros with 105 hubs: https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...oducts_id=2743
Mavic Open Pros with Miche hubs: https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...oducts_id=6404
H plus Son Archetypes with DT Swiis hubs: https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...oducts_id=5988 (not sure what the Campy note on this one means)
H plus Son Archetypes with Mibhe hubs: https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...oducts_id=6290
I'm also open to other brands/combos.
Thanks!
Lots of wheelsets are still sold out, but I was bouncing around on Velomine and came across the following. Would love some input on what y'all think would be the best bang for the buck.
Mavic Open Pros with 105 hubs: https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...oducts_id=2743
Mavic Open Pros with Miche hubs: https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...oducts_id=6404
H plus Son Archetypes with DT Swiis hubs: https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...oducts_id=5988 (not sure what the Campy note on this one means)
H plus Son Archetypes with Mibhe hubs: https://www.velomine.com/index.php?m...oducts_id=6290
I'm also open to other brands/combos.
Thanks!
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Compare to those you have listed above, these are quite a bit lighter.
DT Swiss PR 1600 Spline Road Wheels | The Colorado Cyclist
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And if you are set on Shimano 105 R7000 hubs and 32 spokes/wheel, here are more rim options:
Custom Road Bike Wheelsets 700c | The Colorado Cyclist
I like the 19.5 mm wide Easton R90SL rims (assuming your brake calipers could clear them).
Custom Road Bike Wheelsets 700c | The Colorado Cyclist
I like the 19.5 mm wide Easton R90SL rims (assuming your brake calipers could clear them).
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Compare to those you have listed above, these are quite a bit lighter.
DT Swiss PR 1600 Spline Road Wheels | The Colorado Cyclist
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All of the wheelsets built using Shimano 105 R7000 hubs (by Colorado Cyclist) are < $400 (with 10% off code):
Shimano 105 Wheelsets | The Colorado Cyclist
Well, in that case, I should note that the first two wheelsets you linked in your first post appear to use different Mavic Pro rims:
The first wheelset appears to use Open Pro Clincher | Mavic which has an internal width of 15 mm;
The second wheelset expressly uses Open Pro UST | Mavic which has an internal width of 19 mm.
4 mm is a significant difference in internal width. The same 25 mm tire becomes noticeably wider when mounted on a rim with a wider internal width.
What is the internal width of the wheels which are currently on the bike? How much clearance is there between the tire and the forks, chain stays, or seat stays?
Shimano 105 Wheelsets | The Colorado Cyclist
The first wheelset appears to use Open Pro Clincher | Mavic which has an internal width of 15 mm;
The second wheelset expressly uses Open Pro UST | Mavic which has an internal width of 19 mm.
4 mm is a significant difference in internal width. The same 25 mm tire becomes noticeably wider when mounted on a rim with a wider internal width.
What is the internal width of the wheels which are currently on the bike? How much clearance is there between the tire and the forks, chain stays, or seat stays?
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the sci guy If you are looking for wheels for this bike (Bike Forums - View Single Post - The Cult of CAAD...), it seems simple enough to borrow some rim brake wheels (with known specs) from your other bikes and/or friends for a test fit.
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The right answer is going to the European sites and finding the best price you can for a set of Campagnolo Zonda's or Fulcrum Racing 3's! If you wait around a month or so and keep checking someone will put them on sale. I've probably picked up 1/2 dozen sets over the years in the $300+ range. Light and bulletproof.
As an example:
https://www.wiggle.com/campagnolo-zonda-c17-wheelset
As an example:
https://www.wiggle.com/campagnolo-zonda-c17-wheelset
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The right answer is going to the European sites and finding the best price you can for a set of Campagnolo Zonda's or Fulcrum Racing 3's! If you wait around a month or so and keep checking someone will put them on sale. I've probably picked up 1/2 dozen sets over the years in the $300+ range. Light and bulletproof.
As an example:
https://www.wiggle.com/campagnolo-zonda-c17-wheelset
As an example:
https://www.wiggle.com/campagnolo-zonda-c17-wheelset
Another great looking option are the $369 Novatec Jetfly u4.0, which are 20mm internal, 32mm deep, and weighing in around 1600g:
https://www.novatecusa.net/product/j...clincher-u4-0/
Ah, they look out of stock at Novatec, but I’d check around the web. Apparently PBK, according to reviews on their product page, is shipping the u4s despite the listing showing U2 specs; I’d call and confirm.
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https://www.coloradocyclist.com/shim...0-sl-rims-700c
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https://www.coloradocyclist.com/shim...-411-rims-700c
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https://www.wiggle.com/fulcrum-racin...-road-wheelset
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https://www.probikekit.com/bicycle-w.../11365367.html
Note that the ColoradoCyclist wheelsets are currently 10% off with a displayed code. So take that into account.
Between these 4 wheelsets, you have some deeper section aluminum(30-32) rims, some shallower rims, tubeless offerings, high spoke count, lower spoke count, and a 300g weight range. Based on the variety, one of em should work for what you are looking for.
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https://www.coloradocyclist.com/shim...-411-rims-700c
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https://www.wiggle.com/fulcrum-racin...-road-wheelset
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https://www.probikekit.com/bicycle-w.../11365367.html
Note that the ColoradoCyclist wheelsets are currently 10% off with a displayed code. So take that into account.
Between these 4 wheelsets, you have some deeper section aluminum(30-32) rims, some shallower rims, tubeless offerings, high spoke count, lower spoke count, and a 300g weight range. Based on the variety, one of em should work for what you are looking for.
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The right answer is going to the European sites and finding the best price you can for a set of Campagnolo Zonda's or Fulcrum Racing 3's!
https://www.wiggle.com/campagnolo-zonda-c17-wheelset
https://www.wiggle.com/campagnolo-zonda-c17-wheelset
Campagnolo Zonda C17 Road Clincher Wheelset | Chain Reaction (chainreactioncycles.com) ($415, 1,540 g)
Campagnolo Scirocco C17 Road Wheelset | Chain Reaction (chainreactioncycles.com) ($348, 1,955 g)
Also, probikekit.com collects sales tax, but Chain Reaction Cycle / Wiggle does not.
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Go to www.prowheelbuilder.com, they have house wheels as well as custom options. I have a set of the Archetypes built with Sapim Race spokes laced to Bitax hubs from them. A bit over your target budget, but they are outstanding wheels. They have many narrower rim options as well.
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I was under the impression that the sci guy wants handbuilt wheels, but this is the best suggestion so far. And at 17 mm internal width, not likely to have a clearance issue with his frame.
True, but at the sci guy's price range, Campagnolo Zondas are much lighter than Sciroccos:
Campagnolo Zonda C17 Road Clincher Wheelset | Chain Reaction (chainreactioncycles.com) ($415, 1,540 g)
Campagnolo Scirocco C17 Road Wheelset | Chain Reaction (chainreactioncycles.com) ($348, 1,955 g)
Also, probikekit.com collects sales tax, but Chain Reaction Cycle / Wiggle does not.
True, but at the sci guy's price range, Campagnolo Zondas are much lighter than Sciroccos:
Campagnolo Zonda C17 Road Clincher Wheelset | Chain Reaction (chainreactioncycles.com) ($415, 1,540 g)
Campagnolo Scirocco C17 Road Wheelset | Chain Reaction (chainreactioncycles.com) ($348, 1,955 g)
Also, probikekit.com collects sales tax, but Chain Reaction Cycle / Wiggle does not.
In any case, I would not pay the premium for any of those Velomine options as being “handbuilt” does not confer any benefits, let alone offset the advantages of lower weight, better aero, and cost reduction available in the Campy wheels.
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Three years ago I bought a set of Mavic Ksyrium Elite USTs. Since they're tubeless they are lighter, quicker, and more comfortable than my Mavic Ksyrium Elite clinchers. The set with tires cost me $400. Three years with zero flats.
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An excellent wheelset at a great price! I bought the prior version Mavic Ksyrium Elite WTS for $450 (+$25 shipping) in late 2017 when the newer UST version was introduced. But it is now pretty hard to find either version in new condition.
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there's too many posts to individually quote and respond to since my last post, but wow thanks to the bunch of you with suggestions. Gave me a lot of other options to consider. $400 was really going to be the top of my budget, and those Zondas are real nice and what's $15 more, right? But then tack on shipping and stuff I'm not sure it might be too much.
The set of WH-7700 Dura-Ace wheels that came off the exact same frame I found for a buddy of mine, weighed in at 1,900 grams.
The Mavic Open Pros that came off THIS bike (in a burnt orange color!) are from 2000/2001 era, have a 15mm width (reads 622x15 on the sticker) and weigh 1850g.
(I'm upgrading to modern 105, so I don't believe an 11spd cassette would fit on that hub - plus I want new wheels anyway)
To answer a few random Q's I saw above:
-No, they don't have to be "handmade", I was just looking for something a little nicer than typical bike shop cheap fare
-no carbon
-i prefer lower profile wheels - i don't care for the deeper dish racing wheels
-i'm not a weight weenie and this bike won't be raced, it's for long days in the saddle, but also quick spirited group rides.
-the frame fork and chainstays could easily take 700x28 tires, but the bolt bubble on the rear brake bridge is low and rubs on any tires with a higher volume than 25/26mm. I even tried a 700x28 on a slightly wider rim, but it didn't work - but that was with my buddy's Dura Ace wheels I mentioned above. I wouldn't mind trying again with some 17mm wide rims with the 28s I have hanging in my garage though. But I'm pretty much resigned to having to get a set of 25s or 26s. Is it still true that Pasaleas run a little larger? Because that's what I have so maybe a 700x28 in a Kenda or a another brand would fit?
The set of WH-7700 Dura-Ace wheels that came off the exact same frame I found for a buddy of mine, weighed in at 1,900 grams.
The Mavic Open Pros that came off THIS bike (in a burnt orange color!) are from 2000/2001 era, have a 15mm width (reads 622x15 on the sticker) and weigh 1850g.
(I'm upgrading to modern 105, so I don't believe an 11spd cassette would fit on that hub - plus I want new wheels anyway)
To answer a few random Q's I saw above:
-No, they don't have to be "handmade", I was just looking for something a little nicer than typical bike shop cheap fare
-no carbon
-i prefer lower profile wheels - i don't care for the deeper dish racing wheels
-i'm not a weight weenie and this bike won't be raced, it's for long days in the saddle, but also quick spirited group rides.
-the frame fork and chainstays could easily take 700x28 tires, but the bolt bubble on the rear brake bridge is low and rubs on any tires with a higher volume than 25/26mm. I even tried a 700x28 on a slightly wider rim, but it didn't work - but that was with my buddy's Dura Ace wheels I mentioned above. I wouldn't mind trying again with some 17mm wide rims with the 28s I have hanging in my garage though. But I'm pretty much resigned to having to get a set of 25s or 26s. Is it still true that Pasaleas run a little larger? Because that's what I have so maybe a 700x28 in a Kenda or a another brand would fit?
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You should not have expected the above to work. Either a wider wheel or a wider tire alone increases tire volume, both together would have increased tire volume by even more. Probably the best you can hope for is a 25 mm tire on a 622 x 17C wheel.
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there's too many posts to individually quote and respond to since my last post, but wow thanks to the bunch of you with suggestions. Gave me a lot of other options to consider. $400 was really going to be the top of my budget, and those Zondas are real nice and what's $15 more, right? But then tack on shipping and stuff I'm not sure it might be too much.
The set of WH-7700 Dura-Ace wheels that came off the exact same frame I found for a buddy of mine, weighed in at 1,900 grams.
The Mavic Open Pros that came off THIS bike (in a burnt orange color!) are from 2000/2001 era, have a 15mm width (reads 622x15 on the sticker) and weigh 1850g.
(I'm upgrading to modern 105, so I don't believe an 11spd cassette would fit on that hub - plus I want new wheels anyway)
To answer a few random Q's I saw above:
-No, they don't have to be "handmade", I was just looking for something a little nicer than typical bike shop cheap fare
-no carbon
-i prefer lower profile wheels - i don't care for the deeper dish racing wheels
-i'm not a weight weenie and this bike won't be raced, it's for long days in the saddle, but also quick spirited group rides.
-the frame fork and chainstays could easily take 700x28 tires, but the bolt bubble on the rear brake bridge is low and rubs on any tires with a higher volume than 25/26mm. I even tried a 700x28 on a slightly wider rim, but it didn't work - but that was with my buddy's Dura Ace wheels I mentioned above. I wouldn't mind trying again with some 17mm wide rims with the 28s I have hanging in my garage though. But I'm pretty much resigned to having to get a set of 25s or 26s. Is it still true that Pasaleas run a little larger? Because that's what I have so maybe a 700x28 in a Kenda or a another brand would fit?
The set of WH-7700 Dura-Ace wheels that came off the exact same frame I found for a buddy of mine, weighed in at 1,900 grams.
The Mavic Open Pros that came off THIS bike (in a burnt orange color!) are from 2000/2001 era, have a 15mm width (reads 622x15 on the sticker) and weigh 1850g.
(I'm upgrading to modern 105, so I don't believe an 11spd cassette would fit on that hub - plus I want new wheels anyway)
To answer a few random Q's I saw above:
-No, they don't have to be "handmade", I was just looking for something a little nicer than typical bike shop cheap fare
-no carbon
-i prefer lower profile wheels - i don't care for the deeper dish racing wheels
-i'm not a weight weenie and this bike won't be raced, it's for long days in the saddle, but also quick spirited group rides.
-the frame fork and chainstays could easily take 700x28 tires, but the bolt bubble on the rear brake bridge is low and rubs on any tires with a higher volume than 25/26mm. I even tried a 700x28 on a slightly wider rim, but it didn't work - but that was with my buddy's Dura Ace wheels I mentioned above. I wouldn't mind trying again with some 17mm wide rims with the 28s I have hanging in my garage though. But I'm pretty much resigned to having to get a set of 25s or 26s. Is it still true that Pasaleas run a little larger? Because that's what I have so maybe a 700x28 in a Kenda or a another brand would fit?
You can grab a pair of 16mm high, 18mm internal width Sun CR18/Tiagra wheels from Handsome Cycles for $230: https://handsomecycles.com/products/...-hub-black-36h
Tiagra hubs are sealed and adjustable as 105, so I don’t think there’s any tradeoff there, and the CR18 is as venerable as they come, but laced up 36 spoke, they should be extremely reliable.
I run the polished version of this wheelset on one of my bikes, and have 25c rubber on them. Handsome built them very well insofar as I can tell, and the 25s fit snug and tight to the brake wall; looking down at the wheel, the tire does not protrude past the rim at all, which I think is a sweet look and makes the handling super responsive.
Polished Sun CR18 rims w/ 25c AC Torchbearer tires
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From the above posts by the sci guy in this thread, it seems (to me) that he wants a tire and wheel combo that is wider and has more air volume than a 25 mm tire on an ETRTO 622 x 15C wheel?
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So what do you want out of these wheels, then? What’s the point of paying $400 or even $300 if you don’t care about aero or weight? What is going to make any wheelset “nicer” than another?
You can grab a pair of 16mm high, 18mm internal width Sun CR18/Tiagra wheels from Handsome Cycles for $230: https://handsomecycles.com/products/...-hub-black-36h
Tiagra hubs are sealed and adjustable as 105, so I don’t think there’s any tradeoff there, and the CR18 is as venerable as they come, but laced up 36 spoke, they should be extremely reliable.
You can grab a pair of 16mm high, 18mm internal width Sun CR18/Tiagra wheels from Handsome Cycles for $230: https://handsomecycles.com/products/...-hub-black-36h
Tiagra hubs are sealed and adjustable as 105, so I don’t think there’s any tradeoff there, and the CR18 is as venerable as they come, but laced up 36 spoke, they should be extremely reliable.
From the above posts by the sci guy in this thread, it seems (to me) that he wants a tire and wheel combo that is wider and has more air volume than a 25 mm tire on an ETRTO 622 x 15C wheel?
SoSmellyAir I'd love to run 28s but I just don't think its possible. That was something I was just bringing up because someone above had mentioned getting 19mm wheels, etc. 15 or 17 should be fine, or whichever you think would be best with a 700x25 tire. And yes, that post you found in the other thread is the bike.
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From the above posts by the sci guy in this thread, it seems (to me) that he wants a tire and wheel combo that is wider and has more air volume than a 25 mm tire on an ETRTO 622 x 15C wheel?
For the OP, the following graphic, which I believe was originally posted by HED in a blog post, shows the concept SoSmellyAir brought up with regards to tire height vis a vis IW: