texbazII

Just cancelled a pre-order for some 700x28c Continental Grand Prix 5000S TR's, Just can't see spending 100.00 dollars a tire, even though most reviews report better tire ease of installation and rolling resistance. Instead I ordered some older Continental Grand Prix 5000 clinchers for half the price. Currently, I have been happy with 700x28c Kenda Valkyre Pro's that were on the HED Ardenne RA Performance wheelset from lynskey. These tires have about 1500 miles on them and the rear is showing signs of a little wear. Figured best to stock up on some replacement rubber now, who knows what the availability and prices will be in the next few months .

So, since I don't have these tires in hand I was just wondering if anyone can comment on the ease or difficulty to install and remove the Continental Grand Prix 5000 clincher tires on a HED Adennes RA Performance rim.

msu2001la

Regular GP 5000 are non-tubeless clinchers mount just like any other non-tubeless clincher road tire.

Are you asking about the 5000 TL, which is Conti's other tubeless version of this tire? The S-TR is tubeless as well, so I'm a bit confused.

texbazII

I cancelled the Newest version 5000S TR clinchers and instead purchased the older version, 5000 clinchers, non TL's Just read so many reports that the standard 5000 clincher was near impossible to install on today's tubeless ready rims like the HED Adenne RA's.

burnthesheep

I have some HED jet stuff, all tubeless ready. I can't imagine they'd make the rim design for their tubeless ready different across same brand stuff if it is meant for the road. Either way I can get my GP5000 tubed tires on all my stuff with fingers until the last perhaps 4 inches then the tire tool finishes that up fine.

GhostRider62

I have run the Ardennes tubeless but can't say if they are any less difficult to mount using Conti's 5000S TR; however, I did mount a set of 5000S TR tires today on another set of wheels and it was a *****. I had to heat the tires up and use a tire jack. I got them on.

msu2001la

I've never had problems installing regular clincher non-tubeless GP 5000's on other tubeless ready rims, but I have no experience with them on HED Ardennes specifically.

The GP 5000 TL's have been extremely tight for me on multiple different tubeless ready wheelsets.
S TR's went on easily on a set of Zipp 303s (hookless) for me recently, but I've not tried those tires on any other wheels yet.

texbazII

Guess I should have been more clear with my statement. After reading and viewing videos on the newest version of the clincher Continental Grand Prix 5000 S TR I decided I would purchase some. Supposedly conti addressed the overly hard install, better rolling resistance, better sidewall protection, and lighter but cost 100.00 bucks a tire. So I cancelled my pre-order.

when looking at the older version of the GP5000 standard clincher I saw videos indicating very hard to install and sidewall failures, but still had seen pretty good reviews on amazon and for only 54.00 bucks. So,hope that gives a better reason for asking if the HED Ardenne RA wheelset could be a candidate for difficult install.

Whats funny, Ive really come to enjoy the 28mm kenda tires width, and some folks report that the Conti GP5000 clincher 28mm measures like a 25mm. Hope that not the case.
I have a set of new Gatorskins 28mm on standby just didn't want to install those unless I have too. I have near 1500 miles on the Kenda Valkyre pro 700x28c, and probably can get another 1500 miles easily, and so far I like them they seem decent been through some pretty trashed roads, streets. Those tires aren't cheap they want over 70 bucks each and they're only 120tpi might just have to go with kenda if the GP5000 come in an measure up short the Kendas measure a little bit over 28mm.

SoSmellyAir

Those statements are likely based on the following: The original GP4000 was released at a time when a 15C rim was still the standard internal width. By the time the GP4000 SII version came along, a 17C rim had become the standard internal width, and so the GP4000 SII measures wider than its stated width. The GP5000 measures true to size for a 17C rim after a few rounds of pre-ride inflation, riding, then resting. Thus, many people who switched from GP4K SII to GP5K after the former was discontinued feel that the latter measures narrow.

The HED Ardennes Pro is a 21C rim and so the GP5000 will measure wider than the indicated width, but still narrower than an older generation Continental like the GP4000 SII or Grand Sport Race.

yaw

Chances are the clincher tyres you now settled on will go on without using levers. I've mounted 25mm and 28mm GP5ks on a couple of different rims and they were always easy. I only carry a lever in my spare kit because it makes it quicker to fish out the tyre to get it off, but also that is feasible by hand only.

GhostRider62

GP5000 clinchers definitely go on much, much easier than the tubeless versions. I never need levers with them.

I have blood blisters on my right hand from yesterday's ordeal.

texbazII

That's good info, makes sense, when I get them mounted I'll definitely measure them, I was also looking at the GP4000 version but like you mentioned, read they're going to be retired along with the older GP5000 series. which will leave the only the current crop of GP5000S TR's and TL's. Yup, my HED Ardennes RA rim internal rim width is 21C. Just can't pull the trigger on 100.00 dollar tires just to get premium ride performance, when thier has to be other tires not as popular at a fraction of the price of the GP5000. I hope the version Amazon is sending is the real deal and not a knock off wouldn't suprise me one bit.

Just last week purchased some Shimano Ultegra SL R8000 pedals, saw much cheaper versions on other vendors sites but decided to go for a vendor selling in colorado CC because I know they have real merch. Read so many companies stuff is being counterfeited Saddles, pedals, components, etc.

texbazII

Thanks this good to know, Flats are part of this hobby so repairing them is to be expected. But, if the tire is impossible to remove and install at the risk of damaging it or the rim whats the use of having the best performance tires might as well just have a lower tier that you can at least access and repair in 5 min. thanks I've always been able to remove and install tires without use of tools hope that is true with the Clincher GP5000 and my HED rims

texbazII

Excellent, I too only carry a tire lever, as an emergency use item. So far I have not had to remove either front or rear tire since receiving these wheels in dec/21,might pull the front off and just deflate and remove it to see what the current tire/rim interface is, the GP5000 tires will be here Saturday.

GhostRider62

I am hoping they will stretch after a couple of rides. I intend to check that because you are correct, if I cannot remove them on the road, what good are they.

I do notice different road behavior in a nice way compared to the clincher version. I am hoping the beads soften up and stretch a bit.

SoSmellyAir

What!? No more GP5000 regular clinchers? But I am not ready to go tubeless yet.

Boyd Cycling "discourages" its customers from using GP5000TL: A word of warning regarding Continental GP5000 TL tires. – Boyd Cycling

texbazII

The 2019 version GP5000 clincher is the one that will be retired and only current production series the GP5000S TR clincher will be available along with the tubeless version
Your link is pretty interesting, thanks

msu2001la

Do you have a link to this info?
I assume they will eventually stop making the TL since the newer S TR is now out, but I've not heard anything about Conti "retiring" the non-tubeless GP 5000.

All of these tires are "clinchers", by the way. The difference is tubeless (GP 5000 S TR and GP 5000 TL) and tubed (GP 5000).

texbazII

Nah, but I can look through some of my Youtube history, and my browser history. I want to say it was a YT channel that has pretty high reliability.
What I found interesting when researching was that the 2019 version of the TL actually allowed one to run it without sealant, the way the dude explained it was that tire had a rubber like membrane, where as to lighten up the newest version they did away with that membrane and you must run sealant.

MinnMan

I seldom bother to struggle getting a tire off the rim when it's so much easier to use a lever. Putting tires on the rim, in some cases I can do it with my hands, in some cases I resort to levers to finish them off. On my road bikes I run GP5000 standard clinchers on tubeless ready carbon wheels (18 mm ID, 25 mm OD) and they can require a fair amount of persuasion, but I always manage.

SoSmellyAir

This makes so much more sense.

texbazII

Back tracked through most of my research can't find the data sorry, Probably they were talking about the TL version, since the 5000S TR can be used in both applications.

biker128pedal

I have Conti 5000 regular tube type tires in 23, 25 and 28mm. On a 19mm inside width Aeroles Pro 5 wheel they measure 1.5 to 2mm wider than size. These are a few years old. On my Pro 5 wheel I need good tires levers to get the last bit on the rim and to get them off. Earlier ones were easier. But most of the difficulties I attribute to the wheels. I know use the 25mm F and 28mm R on my Domane with 25mm inside Bontrager rims. I may go tubeless in the future.