HED Ardenne RA Performance and GP 5000
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HED Ardenne RA Performance and GP 5000
Just cancelled a pre-order for some 700x28c Continental Grand Prix 5000S TR's, Just can't see spending 100.00 dollars a tire, even though most reviews report better tire ease of installation and rolling resistance. Instead I ordered some older Continental Grand Prix 5000 clinchers for half the price. Currently, I have been happy with 700x28c Kenda Valkyre Pro's that were on the HED Ardenne RA Performance wheelset from lynskey. These tires have about 1500 miles on them and the rear is showing signs of a little wear. Figured best to stock up on some replacement rubber now, who knows what the availability and prices will be in the next few months .
So, since I don't have these tires in hand I was just wondering if anyone can comment on the ease or difficulty to install and remove the Continental Grand Prix 5000 clincher tires on a HED Adennes RA Performance rim.
So, since I don't have these tires in hand I was just wondering if anyone can comment on the ease or difficulty to install and remove the Continental Grand Prix 5000 clincher tires on a HED Adennes RA Performance rim.
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Regular GP 5000 are non-tubeless clinchers mount just like any other non-tubeless clincher road tire.
Are you asking about the 5000 TL, which is Conti's other tubeless version of this tire? The S-TR is tubeless as well, so I'm a bit confused.
Are you asking about the 5000 TL, which is Conti's other tubeless version of this tire? The S-TR is tubeless as well, so I'm a bit confused.
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I cancelled the Newest version 5000S TR clinchers and instead purchased the older version, 5000 clinchers, non TL's Just read so many reports that the standard 5000 clincher was near impossible to install on today's tubeless ready rims like the HED Adenne RA's.
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I have some HED jet stuff, all tubeless ready. I can't imagine they'd make the rim design for their tubeless ready different across same brand stuff if it is meant for the road. Either way I can get my GP5000 tubed tires on all my stuff with fingers until the last perhaps 4 inches then the tire tool finishes that up fine.
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I have run the Ardennes tubeless but can't say if they are any less difficult to mount using Conti's 5000S TR; however, I did mount a set of 5000S TR tires today on another set of wheels and it was a *****. I had to heat the tires up and use a tire jack. I got them on.
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The GP 5000 TL's have been extremely tight for me on multiple different tubeless ready wheelsets.
S TR's went on easily on a set of Zipp 303s (hookless) for me recently, but I've not tried those tires on any other wheels yet.
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when looking at the older version of the GP5000 standard clincher I saw videos indicating very hard to install and sidewall failures, but still had seen pretty good reviews on amazon and for only 54.00 bucks. So,hope that gives a better reason for asking if the HED Ardenne RA wheelset could be a candidate for difficult install.
Whats funny, Ive really come to enjoy the 28mm kenda tires width, and some folks report that the Conti GP5000 clincher 28mm measures like a 25mm. Hope that not the case.
I have a set of new Gatorskins 28mm on standby just didn't want to install those unless I have too. I have near 1500 miles on the Kenda Valkyre pro 700x28c, and probably can get another 1500 miles easily, and so far I like them they seem decent been through some pretty trashed roads, streets. Those tires aren't cheap they want over 70 bucks each and they're only 120tpi might just have to go with kenda if the GP5000 come in an measure up short the Kendas measure a little bit over 28mm.
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The HED Ardennes Pro is a 21C rim and so the GP5000 will measure wider than the indicated width, but still narrower than an older generation Continental like the GP4000 SII or Grand Sport Race.
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Chances are the clincher tyres you now settled on will go on without using levers. I've mounted 25mm and 28mm GP5ks on a couple of different rims and they were always easy. I only carry a lever in my spare kit because it makes it quicker to fish out the tyre to get it off, but also that is feasible by hand only.
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GP5000 clinchers definitely go on much, much easier than the tubeless versions. I never need levers with them.
I have blood blisters on my right hand from yesterday's ordeal.
I have blood blisters on my right hand from yesterday's ordeal.
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Those statements are likely based on the following: The original GP4000 was released at a time when a 15C rim was still the standard internal width. By the time the GP4000 SII version came along, a 17C rim had become the standard internal width, and so the GP4000 SII measures wider than its stated width. The GP5000 measures true to size for a 17C rim after a few rounds of pre-ride inflation, riding, then resting. Thus, many people who switched from GP4K SII to GP5K after the former was discontinued feel that the latter measures narrow.
The HED Ardennes Pro is a 21C rim and so the GP5000 will measure wider than the indicated width, but still narrower than an older generation Continental like the GP4000 SII or Grand Sport Race.
The HED Ardennes Pro is a 21C rim and so the GP5000 will measure wider than the indicated width, but still narrower than an older generation Continental like the GP4000 SII or Grand Sport Race.
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Thanks this good to know, Flats are part of this hobby so repairing them is to be expected. But, if the tire is impossible to remove and install at the risk of damaging it or the rim whats the use of having the best performance tires might as well just have a lower tier that you can at least access and repair in 5 min. thanks I've always been able to remove and install tires without use of tools hope that is true with the Clincher GP5000 and my HED rims
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Chances are the clincher tyres you now settled on will go on without using levers. I've mounted 25mm and 28mm GP5ks on a couple of different rims and they were always easy. I only carry a lever in my spare kit because it makes it quicker to fish out the tyre to get it off, but also that is feasible by hand only.
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Thanks this good to know, Flats are part of this hobby so repairing them is to be expected. But, if the tire is impossible to remove and install at the risk of damaging it or the rim whats the use of having the best performance tires might as well just have a lower tier that you can at least access and repair in 5 min. thanks I've always been able to remove and install tires without use of tools hope that is true with the Clincher GP5000 and my HED rims
I do notice different road behavior in a nice way compared to the clincher version. I am hoping the beads soften up and stretch a bit.
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Boyd Cycling "discourages" its customers from using GP5000TL: A word of warning regarding Continental GP5000 TL tires. – Boyd Cycling
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What!? No more GP5000 regular clinchers? But I am not ready to go tubeless yet.
Boyd Cycling "discourages" its customers from using GP5000TL: A word of warning regarding Continental GP5000 TL tires. – Boyd Cycling
Boyd Cycling "discourages" its customers from using GP5000TL: A word of warning regarding Continental GP5000 TL tires. – Boyd Cycling
Your link is pretty interesting, thanks
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I assume they will eventually stop making the TL since the newer S TR is now out, but I've not heard anything about Conti "retiring" the non-tubeless GP 5000.
All of these tires are "clinchers", by the way. The difference is tubeless (GP 5000 S TR and GP 5000 TL) and tubed (GP 5000).
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Do you have a link to this info?
I assume they will eventually stop making the TL since the newer S TR is now out, but I've not heard anything about Conti "retiring" the non-tubeless GP 5000.
All of these tires are "clinchers", by the way. The difference is tubeless (GP 5000 S TR and GP 5000 TL) and tubed (GP 5000).
I assume they will eventually stop making the TL since the newer S TR is now out, but I've not heard anything about Conti "retiring" the non-tubeless GP 5000.
All of these tires are "clinchers", by the way. The difference is tubeless (GP 5000 S TR and GP 5000 TL) and tubed (GP 5000).
Nah, but I can look through some of my Youtube history, and my browser history. I want to say it was a YT channel that has pretty high reliability.
What I found interesting when researching was that the 2019 version of the TL actually allowed one to run it without sealant, the way the dude explained it was that tire had a rubber like membrane, where as to lighten up the newest version they did away with that membrane and you must run sealant.
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Excellent, I too only carry a tire lever, as an emergency use item. So far I have not had to remove either front or rear tire since receiving these wheels in dec/21,might pull the front off and just deflate and remove it to see what the current tire/rim interface is, the GP5000 tires will be here Saturday.
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Nah, but I can look through some of my Youtube history, and my browser history. I want to say it was a YT channel that has pretty high reliability.
What I found interesting when researching was that the 2019 version of the TL actually allowed one to run it without sealant, the way the dude explained it was that tire had a rubber like membrane, where as to lighten up the newest version they did away with that membrane and you must run sealant.
What I found interesting when researching was that the 2019 version of the TL actually allowed one to run it without sealant, the way the dude explained it was that tire had a rubber like membrane, where as to lighten up the newest version they did away with that membrane and you must run sealant.
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I have Conti 5000 regular tube type tires in 23, 25 and 28mm. On a 19mm inside width Aeroles Pro 5 wheel they measure 1.5 to 2mm wider than size. These are a few years old. On my Pro 5 wheel I need good tires levers to get the last bit on the rim and to get them off. Earlier ones were easier. But most of the difficulties I attribute to the wheels. I know use the 25mm F and 28mm R on my Domane with 25mm inside Bontrager rims. I may go tubeless in the future.