1987 Canondale SR500 Is it a Decent Bike?
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1987 Canondale SR500 Is it a Decent Bike?
Is this a decent bike? I'd like to use it for group rides. Really just starting out riding with groups. I realize some of this is based on my abilities, but can I conceivably keep up with 16 mph pace folks?
It's a 1987 Sr500. Per the catelogue has the "new" Shimano 105 groupset. It's an aluminum which I guess can be kind of rough over long distances. I'd be doing 30-40 mile rides. Is this enough bike or should I save for something better.better?
I also want something I can ride around the city without being to worried about it being stolen. Or at least not too upset if it does get stolen.
Guy says he'd take $160. It's been for sale for a while so I guess he's just sick of trying to sell it.
I dont really love the color or graphics but it seems like a pretty solid old bike for the price.
Also it has Wobler (Worbler?) Wheels. People don't seem to like them much. Would it be worth upgrading?
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This is good, mid-range model for the era. at a very attractive price. The rim manufacturer is Wolber. I've never had any problem with them. Before I went spending any further money on upgrades, I'd spend a season riding the bicycle, to see if you really like it, as some people don't like oversize aluminum. A competent, fairly fit cyclist will easily average that pace for that distance on that bicycle. Once you're at that level of bicycle, spending a lot more, doesn't buy much difference in speed, unless it's something like an aero wheelset.
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Not sure what over-sized aluminum is. Does that refer to the diameter of the frame tubing? Why don't people like it? Too harsh?
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i have that same bike (mine is a Crest version). It had a Tange steel fork that lessened the harshness of the front end. Won’t be a tourer but it’s an awesome frame. In fact all Dale frames were the same...only the components were different.
Shimano 105 is bomb proof. Best single pivot brakes I ever used.
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I's a good bike and a good deal. I would agree with riding the bike before you start making a lot of changes as said you may find the OS tubing with a biopiece crank set a bit harsh, Good news is you can change the chain rings to standard Shimano fairly easy if you don't like the biopeacce.
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I's a good bike and a good deal. I would agree with riding the bike before you start making a lot of changes as said you may find the OS tubing with a biopiece crank set a bit harsh, Good news is you can change the chain rings to standard Shimano fairly easy if you don't like the biopeacce.
My left knee is starting to act up under from time to time. Which is actually why I'm giving up the single speed. I guess people just didn't like the "feel" of the ovoid rings.
Are there any here who have actually tried them?
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I'm actually anxious to try the bio-pace crankset. In theory, it should be easier on the knees, no?
My left knee is starting to act up under from time to time. Which is actually why I'm giving up the single speed. I guess people just didn't like the "feel" of the ovoid rings.
Are there any here who have actually tried them?
My left knee is starting to act up under from time to time. Which is actually why I'm giving up the single speed. I guess people just didn't like the "feel" of the ovoid rings.
Are there any here who have actually tried them?
I changed out the 105 Biopace for 600 round.
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They seem to ride fine ounce you get used to changing your cadence a bit to go along the oblong rings. I have a steel Bio-pace small ring on one of my MTB's for climbing nice for slow speed hill climbing.
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During the first year of production, the reviewers writing for Bicycling and Bicycle Guide who test-rode Biopace-equipped bikes rated them highly. But then Shimano, in a fit of hubris for which they later paid dearly, began forcing bike manufacturers who wanted to equip their bikes with Shimano components to (i) buy the whole Shimano component group for each bike model (no mixing and matching with components from other manufacturers) and (ii) accept the Biopace rings on all of the Shimano-equipped models, even the high-end racing bikes.
In fact, I remember attending a Shimano-sponsored clinic where former U.S. road racing champion Wayne Stetina, the head of marketing for Shimano USA, introduced that year's line of Shimano products to local Baltimore bike dealers. Alex, one of the smartest dealers I've ever met and a great guy, stood up midway through the Biopace presentation and said, "Am I understanding this right? Next year, all of the bikes with Shimano groups will have Biopace?"
That's right, Alex," Wayne said.
"So what am I supposed to do when a customer comes in, cash in hand, and asks for the same bike without Biopace?"
"Well, I hope you'll explain to the customrer the advantages of Biopace, such as . . . "
"You're not listening. Cash in hand!"
"Well, I guess you'll have to recommend another bike," Wayne said, smiling unhappily.
Alex was right, of course. Biopace isn't for everyone, and the magazine writers who had previously praised Biopace started hearing from racers who disliked the lumpiness of Biopace rings at cadences above about 90 rpm. And that's when the reviews turned sour, resulting in Shimano's first introducing Biopace II, with reduced eccentricity of the rings, and then dropping Biopace altogether.
It's too bad, because the utility of Biopace rings for casual riders and others who like to maintain a cadence below about 80 rpm was lost in the wholesale condemnation. In fact, there are still BikeForums posters who write things like, "I thought that Biopace was a bad design. I was right." The sainted Sheldon Brown, though, always openminded, loved his Biopace rings.
And, since I'm citing Sheldon B, here's his take on the myth that aluminum frames are harsh riding:
In fact, I remember attending a Shimano-sponsored clinic where former U.S. road racing champion Wayne Stetina, the head of marketing for Shimano USA, introduced that year's line of Shimano products to local Baltimore bike dealers. Alex, one of the smartest dealers I've ever met and a great guy, stood up midway through the Biopace presentation and said, "Am I understanding this right? Next year, all of the bikes with Shimano groups will have Biopace?"
That's right, Alex," Wayne said.
"So what am I supposed to do when a customer comes in, cash in hand, and asks for the same bike without Biopace?"
"Well, I hope you'll explain to the customrer the advantages of Biopace, such as . . . "
"You're not listening. Cash in hand!"
"Well, I guess you'll have to recommend another bike," Wayne said, smiling unhappily.
Alex was right, of course. Biopace isn't for everyone, and the magazine writers who had previously praised Biopace started hearing from racers who disliked the lumpiness of Biopace rings at cadences above about 90 rpm. And that's when the reviews turned sour, resulting in Shimano's first introducing Biopace II, with reduced eccentricity of the rings, and then dropping Biopace altogether.
It's too bad, because the utility of Biopace rings for casual riders and others who like to maintain a cadence below about 80 rpm was lost in the wholesale condemnation. In fact, there are still BikeForums posters who write things like, "I thought that Biopace was a bad design. I was right." The sainted Sheldon Brown, though, always openminded, loved his Biopace rings.
And, since I'm citing Sheldon B, here's his take on the myth that aluminum frames are harsh riding:
Did you know that:
- Aluminum frames have a harsh ride?
- Titanium frames are soft and whippy?
- Steel frames go soft with age, but they have a nicer ride quality?
- England's Queen Elizabeth is a kingpin of the international drug trade?
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I'm actually anxious to try the bio-pace crankset. In theory, it should be easier on the knees, no?
My left knee is starting to act up under from time to time. Which is actually why I'm giving up the single speed. I guess people just didn't like the "feel" of the ovoid rings.
Are there any here who have actually tried them?
My left knee is starting to act up under from time to time. Which is actually why I'm giving up the single speed. I guess people just didn't like the "feel" of the ovoid rings.
Are there any here who have actually tried them?
I never had an issue with the bio-pace chainrings. I was a big (over 200 lbs) strong rider, my previous bike I'd bend the frame on hill climbs, enough to rub the chain. My mechanic was/is a far stronger rider than I. He had previously broken several frames (two Gary Fisher I think). Like me, he loves the fat tube aluminum, but it is quite unforgiving. I probably couldn't ride it now.
Mine was turquoise, I'll have to get a picture of it from my mechanic.
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Is this a decent bike? I'd like to use it for group rides. Really just starting out riding with groups. I realize some of this is based on my abilities, but can I conceivably keep up with 16 mph pace folks?
It's a 1987 Sr500. Per the catelogue has the "new" Shimano 105 groupset. It's an aluminum which I guess can be kind of rough over long distances. I'd be doing 30-40 mile rides. Is this enough bike or should I save for something better.better?
I also want something I can ride around the city without being to worried about it being stolen. Or at least not too upset if it does get stolen.
Guy says he'd take $160. It's been for sale for a while so I guess he's just sick of trying to sell it.
I dont really love the color or graphics but it seems like a pretty solid old bike for the price.
Also it has Wobler (Worbler?) Wheels. People don't seem to like them much. Would it be worth upgrading?
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...1813159994115/
It's a 1987 Sr500. Per the catelogue has the "new" Shimano 105 groupset. It's an aluminum which I guess can be kind of rough over long distances. I'd be doing 30-40 mile rides. Is this enough bike or should I save for something better.better?
I also want something I can ride around the city without being to worried about it being stolen. Or at least not too upset if it does get stolen.
Guy says he'd take $160. It's been for sale for a while so I guess he's just sick of trying to sell it.
I dont really love the color or graphics but it seems like a pretty solid old bike for the price.
Also it has Wobler (Worbler?) Wheels. People don't seem to like them much. Would it be worth upgrading?
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...1813159994115/
And sadly, where I live, pretty much any kind of bike gets stolen, even the crappy Walmart stuff. A Cannondale? Oh yeah, it could get stolen, no doubt. Its more about keeping it secured and out of sight (no leaving the bike on the front porch if you can see it from the street) and locking it securely. The best part for you if it does get stolen, its a $160 bike and not a $4,000 bike.
I sold a lot of rigid frame MTBs, with smooth tires, to serious triathletes on a tight budget (no knobbie tires). They did just fine.
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During the first year of production, the reviewers writing for Bicycling and Bicycle Guide who test-rode Biopace-equipped bikes rated them highly. But then Shimano, in a fit of hubris for which they later paid dearly, began forcing bike manufacturers who wanted to equip their bikes with Shimano components to (i) buy the whole Shimano component group for each bike model (no mixing and matching with components from other manufacturers) and (ii) accept the Biopace rings on all of the Shimano-equipped models, even the high-end racing bikes....
However, encouraging and "forcing" are two different things. Companies could spec SRAM's Gripshift or another shift lever, though it would cost them more. Shimano were only trying to protect their reputation. Using non-Shimano shift levers or other shift system components could negatively impact the shifting performance. Other indexing systems such as Accushift and Syncro had proven that that things did not neccessarily work well, even when they were designed to function together.
Also, if you look at pre-1990 bicycle specs, you'll find examples of bicycles that do not use a complete Shimano group. Admittedly, they are relatively rare, as most compannies saw advantage in an all Shimano bicycle, however they did exist. Usually, the non-Shimano components were low low profile parts, such as headsets, bottom brackets, pedals and hubs, the things to which most consumers don't pay too much attention.
Biopace only is also a myth. When Shimano introduced Biopace in 1983, there was only one Biopace crankset, a triple intended for ATB and Grand Touring bicycles. The first Biopace double crankset wasn't introduced until the 1986 model year, for New 600EX but it was only an option. You could still spec the standard version with round chainrings, as many European brands chose to do. As for high end road racing, I've never seen Dura-Ace equipped with Biopace, despite the fact that I competed during the Biopace era on a couple of Dura-Ace equipped bicycles and also own an almost complete set of Shimano literatue for the Biopace era. My personal impression has always been that the infiltration of Biopce though the product lines appears to have been driven primarily by the market and not by Shimano themselves.
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nice bikes - i dont see a lot of brake rub on the rims (but the pic is pretty bad) -- Somebody looks to have already installed a wider range rear cassette, which is a plus. Appears to just need some cleaning up and naturally service the bottom bracket , hubs and headset as the bike is over 30 years old and the grease is likely vaporized by now
16 mph group ride? Sure - just being old doesnt mean its slow . These were capable race bikes
16 mph group ride? Sure - just being old doesnt mean its slow . These were capable race bikes