Doge

This fat adaption is a thing.
The idea is for long rides, you body metabolizes fat early. Thing with carbs is they burn fast and when you are out - that is bad. Burning fat you do not bonk. Then - maybe final 30 min/hill you take carbs and get the kick, but no chance of bonking.

If you can time and use carbs the whole ride I think that works too.

Anyway an elite marathon runner is going hard 2(and change) hours and not back to back. They have lots of feeding and carbs/drinks close the entire race. It is different for some cyclists.

tetonrider

who says TdF riders are low carb?

uh-uh.

tetonrider

gotta separate whether this includes or excludes food ingested while on the bike. if the former, then it's far easier to hit higher %ages of CHO during a day.

also @scheibo -- i'm sure you know this better than most, but it's pretty hard to eat while running, whereas on a bike it's pretty trivial to down a relatively large amount of carbs (like 60-75g CHO/hr).

jsk

Was he though? I know there was a lot of reporting to this effect that lacked any real detail about what he did or didn't do. The few actual quotes I saw directly from him, it seemed more like he used low-carb to get down to race weight pre-tour, as opposed to actually racing on a low-carb diet. And he mentioned "low carb days" which to me implied he wasn't always eating low-carb, just at certain times. I find it hard to believe anybody could eat truly low-carb during a grand tour.

jsutkeepspinnin

I'm fat.

Doge

That was floated and shown enough that I tend to think that is what he was doing. And it makes sense to me. They are not going all that hard relative to when they really go hard. 5 hours is very hard to fuel with carbs. I could see eating/running on fat and popping a few pieces of candy before the final 30 min.

My son runs on carbs. He has mis-timed and missed feeds and paid a high price on several occasions. Most his races are shorter and higher intensity. Juniors tend to just go full gas and carbs make sense there.

Off topic - kinda...to the Kenyan's. My first experience with the fat adaption concept was in Kenya. I was in Kapedo (great Hot Springs BTW), Kenya 1977ish (10th grade) and asked about some of the locals I saw walking through the desert. Seeing cars there was rare and towns were 60k-100K apart (they would walk to Amaler). I was told they would do this walk about once a week and would just drink a big cup of lard before leaving. It would take about a day and they didn't need to eat anything else. They were not running - or riding the TdF, but it was clearly an efficient way to fuel. Life expectancy is not long there so it is pretty hard to study how good or bad such a habit is long term.

dz_nuzz

Whoa! And he's back!

Don't worry, you ain't the only one.

jsutkeepspinnin

I wanted to stop by and see the old crew. It's been a while since I even contemplated riding my bike. Currently in the midst of finals with a major case of senioritis (I lined up a job at a major bank for their large corporate TM services).

dz_nuzz

For the longest time I sort of wondered if someday I would see you and @Doge discussing / arguing something around here. Ah well, hope life is good. You have a job lined up out of college which is more than I could have said in your spot. (Pure sciences do not lead to an easy time finding jobs).

jsutkeepspinnin

Well I'm actually a Junior, so I am just waiting to graduate. I got a few offers, took one with a company that aligns with my personal values and has a corporate culture that I know i will enjoy and thrive in.

Wylde06

Neither does an education in business/finance when the market was at it lowest...


I had lost count of jobs applied for, then I ended up moving up in the company (that I've always worked for) to the position im in now.

aaronmcd

I thought I accidentally opened an ancient thread for a moment

mollusk

I can tell you what I am making for dinner.

It is a grounded pork based soup with garlic, Sichuan peppers, red pepper flakes, minced ginger made into a soup with mustard greens and wide rice noodles.

tetonrider

hey, i tried @canuckbelle's plan yesterday, and maybe she's onto something.

last night i ate 1/2 a box of cookies, a pint of ice cream, a chocolate muffin, and a bag of popcorn, and today's weight was less than yesterday.

maybe i should try to repeat that for a week or a month to see what happens?

Ygduf

I mean, I did that but I won't ruin the surprise. And my n= only 1 anyway.

canuckbelle

tetonrider

Haha...it was a joke -- we tease a bunch around here.

Anyway, since you're here, can you clarify the comments about why BMI doesn't work? There were some questions posed a few posts back because there was some doubt about whether the charts showed someone at 17% BF (female) as "overweight."

dz_nuzz

My problem was more making it into the job market than anything else. Everyone wants to see hard skills to which I always answered "I can set up lab equipment and do really good force diagrams?". But I understand that it is never easy when the economy doesn't feel like having open positions.

Anywho. Been on 'the' rest week this week which means I just ride to work and back. Good week for it too all things considered. Been trying to keep myself on the straight and narrow and only really F-ed up on Tuesday when my company did a pizza party and apparently every single team did their own holiday party so there was free food flying around like no one's business.

Been relatively good, but can't help feel that I must have gained like 5 pounds. Oh well.

rankin116

I have really been struggling with weight management as of late, put on like 7-8 lbs over the last 2-3 months. I don't know if it's the weather, less riding time since I'm heavy in the cross season, new girlfriend, job search stress, or a combo of all, but it's been a battle. Now that holidays are coming up and my family usually tries to force feed people like they're making foie gras, I'm just hoping to limit my losses (or gains, I guess) at this point.

furiousferret

I've been hitting my numbers but I'm up 1-2 lbs. It's a recovery week for me, and I've found with the lighter efforts I carry 2-3 lbs more weight, but its still frustrating.

gsteinb

sub 140. 15 or so pounds lighter than a year ago.

rankin116

Salt in the wounds!

But congrats, you've been super dedicated, that's fantastic progress.

topflightpro

Preparing to hibernate?

rankin116

Apparently

mollusk

Getting ready for a cooking frenzy for the holidays as I am the traditional holiday cook.

On Thursday I am smoking a pork shoulder for pulled pork sandwiches (already rubbed and in the frig) and buying a bone-in pork loin roast for Christmas. I stuff that with fruits (dried apricots, prunes, sour cherries) with a ruby port and spice reduction and wrap it in bacon. It is best if it sits in the frig for a couple of days. Already set it up with a local butcher to get it on Thursday.

Friday I will be smoking two ducks. Purchased today and doing the slow thaw in the frig before I brine on Thursday. Leftovers for either duck lo mien or duck tacos on Christmas Eve. Christmas Eve we go to a friends house for an open house and I get a respite from dinner cooking. Good Wisconsin food, don't cha know. :^)