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Old 09-16-21, 05:55 AM
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DANG, 65+ years of bicycle riding so my fingers are pinch perfect calibrated for tire pressure and I carry a cell phone.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Also, pretty ridiculous that masculinity is somehow the ideal for this. I've gotten some damn good roadside advice from a woman bike mechanic who just happened to be riding by. Just shows how gender imbalanced BF is that someone gets away with the implied put-down of femininity.
Pretty sure the quote you referenced was not meant to be an ‘implied put-down of femininity’
I agree with you that sex should not be a determining factor when choosing a bike mechanic but I also wonder about the percentage of men’s bike shop techs vs women techs.
If you needed a costly major repair on your bike and walked into a bike shop with only one choice(and no other data)as to who would do the work and there was one woman and one man behind the counter, who would you choose?
Based upon the law of averages I would think the choice is obvious and it wouldn’t imply that you are putting down women imo.
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Oi .... here it goes ...... The local shop runs a lot of group rides and has its own cycling club (or rather, the shop owners and most employees are in the club.) There are riders of both sexes (or is "genders" the PC acceptable term nowadays ? ) In any case, any of them can work the register, fix a bike, outride my sorry butt and keep up with the fast group .... But it isn't "sexist" top assume that if there are two people in a shop, the guy is the mechanic, but Only because of social patterns .... "norms" which are in fact not "normal" but just usual.

However, the "Big-girl panties" remark was definitely an attack by Rydabent on what he implied was the lacking masculinity of people who don't do roadside repair.

The logical flaw here .... would be taking anything Rydabent posted, seriously.

He is not only a bent rider, he is a dinosaur, even by my standards. He grew up in a time when men were os afraid of women men had to belittle and demean women just to feel adequate .... and he is one of those old guys who instead of getting wise, got bitter, so he is still living in the mindset of a person born in the Cretaceous age (or however old he is---I think he is 85.) To him, calling a wan "womanly" is an ultimate put-down.... he doesn't see that he is also demeaning all women because for him, looking down on women (those scary women) is this norm.

(Contrast this with OldTryGuy who is about as old but has stayed vital and mentally alive ..... )

But hey .... for a guy as old as Rydabent to still be able to ride at all, is pretty amazing, so I try to cut him some slack when he responds with his tiny dinosaur brain, or completely fails to grasp the meaning of posts responding to his, or fails to even read posts responding to his ......

As for the size of underwear .... I guess Depends won't fit under bibs which is why he so loudly advertises the benefits of loose, floppy shorts.

But hey .... for all his silliness, the guy is still riding.
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Old 09-16-21, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rydabent
Or maybe baggy panties.
Real men bike riders know how to repair their bike on the road if need be.
Originally Posted by downhillmaster
Pretty sure the quote you referenced was not meant to be an ‘implied put-down of femininity’
I agree with you that sex should not be a determining factor when choosing a bike mechanic but I also wonder about the percentage of men’s bike shop techs vs women techs.
If you needed a costly major repair on your bike and walked into a bike shop with only one choice(and no other data)as to who would do the work and there was one woman and one man behind the counter, who would you choose?
Based upon the law of averages I would think the choice is obvious and it wouldn’t imply that you are putting down women imo.

Look at the quote and tell me that isn't an implied statement that men who don't repair the bike roadside are "womanly". Obviously, that is supposed to be an insult of the men, that they are acting like women who can't fix their own bikes.


Ryda's comment is an overtly sexist comment. I agree with Maelochs that OP probably isn't to be taken too seriously, but your claim here is really an insult to everyone's intelligence. Why would you work this hard to deny the obvious?

And no, in your hypothetical, I'm working with the first tech who talks to me, this "you would" crap is nonsense. Yes, if you opt for the male tech just because he's male and reject the female simply because she's female, you are a sexist person. That averages junk is a very transparent rationalization of anti-group prejudice. And just so you know, that's not how statistics work. There is no such thing as a "law of averages" for individual skills and talents.

You're actually much worse than OP here, you should know better.
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I always carry flat fixing stuff (pump, spare tube, patches, tire levers) on every ride despite not having a single flat in nearly 5000km of riding this year. That stuff, plus a multitool, chain breaker, and spare chain quick link barely takes up any space so I don't see the point in leaving it behind. Everything but the pump goes in a single pocket of my trunk bag on my rear rack, and the pump mounts to the frame of my bike.
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When I hear about "50000 km without a flat" i really feel insecure ..... if can can go five weeks without a flat I feel like I am winning the lottery.
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Old 09-16-21, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by The Chemist
I always carry flat fixing stuff (pump, spare tube, patches, tire levers) on every ride despite not having a single flat in nearly 5000km of riding this year. That stuff, plus a multitool, chain breaker, and spare chain quick link barely takes up any space so I don't see the point in leaving it behind. Everything but the pump goes in a single pocket of my trunk bag on my rear rack, and the pump mounts to the frame of my bike.
I carry a multitool, and every couple of years, I end up using it roadside. I think that makes it worth carrying because it's so small.

Wish I could say I've not had any flats this year, but I've done a little bit more riding than you, so you may catch up on flats this year yet. I hope not, though, that's a really great streak you got going there.
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Old 09-16-21, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster
If you needed a costly major repair on your bike and walked into a bike shop with only one choice(and no other data)as to who would do the work and there was one woman and one man behind the counter, who would you choose?
Based upon the law of averages I would think the choice is obvious and it wouldn’t imply that you are putting down women imo.
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you don't work with stats.
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Old 09-16-21, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kahn
Although, I did just that about two weeks ago. The last person or Olympic weight lifter who tightened my rear through-axle did a fantastic job. I got a gashed tire (I might have been able to boot it) but could not get the through-axle loosened. I cursed, prodded and bent a tire level in futile attempts to get the thing loose. I even took off my bike shoe and tried using it as a hammer. It required a decent sized rubber mallet's 2-3 good hits to move it.

I now understand AAA might come to the rescue. Or the appropriate Lyft/Uber car???
For future reference for others reading this thread, the seatpost can sometimes serve as a cheater pipe.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Look at the quote and tell me that isn't an implied statement that men who don't repair the bike roadside are "womanly". Obviously, that is supposed to be an insult of the men, that they are acting like women who can't fix their own bikes.


Ryda's comment is an overtly sexist comment. I agree with Maelochs that OP probably isn't to be taken too seriously, but your claim here is really an insult to everyone's intelligence. Why would you work this hard to deny the obvious?

And no, in your hypothetical, I'm working with the first tech who talks to me, this "you would" crap is nonsense. Yes, if you opt for the male tech just because he's male and reject the female simply because she's female, you are a sexist person. That averages junk is a very transparent rationalization of anti-group prejudice. And just so you know, that's not how statistics work. There is no such thing as a "law of averages" for individual skills and talents.

You're actually much worse than OP here, you should know better.
Nope.
If the overwhelming majority of bike shop techs are male you would be going against the averages by assuming the female is the tech. You knew what my point was and cannot wiggle out with semantics.
And I agree with you that Ryda made sexist comments but as you know, I wasn’t referring to him.
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster
I agree with you that sex should not be a determining factor when choosing a bike mechanic but I also wonder about the percentage of men’s bike shop techs vs women techs.
If you needed a costly major repair on your bike and walked into a bike shop with only one choice(and no other data)as to who would do the work and there was one woman and one man behind the counter, who would you choose?
Based upon the law of averages I would think the choice is obvious and it wouldn’t imply that you are putting down women imo.
Originally Posted by livedarklions
And no, in your hypothetical, I'm working with the first tech who talks to me, this "you would" crap is nonsense. Yes, if you opt for the male tech just because he's male and reject the female simply because she's female, you are a sexist person. That averages junk is a very transparent rationalization of anti-group prejudice. And just so you know, that's not how statistics work. There is no such thing as a "law of averages" for individual skills and talents.

You're actually much worse than OP here, you should know better.
livedarklions , you missed the point that downhillmaster is making: he's talking about which person is more likely to be a bike tech, not about which is a better bike tech. He reiterates the point here:

Originally Posted by downhillmaster
Nope.
If the overwhelming majority of bike shop techs are male you would be going against the averages by assuming the female is the tech.
You are both correct: most bike techs are men, and sex should not be a determining factor in choosing a bike tech.
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Originally Posted by Chuck M
I maintain my bikes well enough that I only feel I need a patch kit, tire levers and CO2 inflator for the roads and routes I ride. I do however have a multi-tool and spare tube in my saddle bag. Bike-packing, touring, solo century riding and jumping off of cliffs on a poorly assembled Huffy from Walmart may have different equipment needs.

I do find it interesting that along the way in this thread masculinity is starting to be measured by the ability to fix a flat or the number of wheels on the bike. As long as folks are riding what they enjoy I don't think it should matter to me if they ride a recumbent pulling a sag wagon full of gear.

It appears that another poster thought I was calling your comment sexist. I didn't mean to suggest anything of the kind, and was referring to the comment you were responding to. I think you and I agree that linking the ability to repair a bike or pretty much anything else to do with gender identity is ludicrous. I intended to actually offer a "friendly amendment" to your comment, just to say maybe it didn't go far enough in calling out how ludicrous the OP's post was.

I apologize for not making this sufficiently clear in my previous reply.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
livedarklions , you missed the point that downhillmaster is making: he's talking about which person is more likely to be a bike tech, not about which is a better bike tech. He reiterates the point here:



You are both correct: most bike techs are men, and sex should not be a determining factor in choosing a bike tech.

I didn't get that until his second response. I don't think my misinterpretation is my fault, however. He used the wrong word, "choice" implies I'm choosing who does the work, he really meant "guess" or "bet". I'm not sure what the reason for the "costly major" part of the question downhillmaster posed has to do with that bet, but I'll accept that this was a misunderstanding on my part, and he didn't mean to imply he wasn't going to let a woman mechanic work on his bike if he had a choice. I think he clarified that and I no longer think his example is sexist. I do think the scenario is odd, however. I would probably figure it out by watching them for about 2 seconds and see who was wrenching. Also, techs tend to dress differently from "front of the house".


It appears that I committed my own mistaken impression that I was criticizing the person I was responding to when I meant to be discussing the post he was responding to, and I have posted an apology to that effect.


Can we just chalk this up to a three way misunderstanding, and agree that calling people unmanly for things like this is an implied insult to women?

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Old 09-16-21, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
I didn't get that until his second response. I don't think my misinterpretation is my fault, however. He used the wrong word, "choice" implies I'm choosing who does the work, he really meant "guess" or "bet". I'm not sure what the reason for the "costly major" part of the question downhillmaster posed has to do with that bet, but I'll accept that this was a misunderstanding on my part, and he didn't mean to imply he wasn't going to let a woman mechanic work on his bike if he had a choice. I think he clarified that and I no longer think his example is sexist. I do think the scenario is odd, however. I would probably figure it out by watching them for about 2 seconds and see who was wrenching. Also, techs tend to dress differently from "front of the house".


It appears that I committed my own mistaken impression that I was criticizing the person I was responding to when I meant to be discussing the post he was responding to, and I have posted an apology to that effect.


Can we just chalk this up to a three way misunderstanding, and agree that calling people unmanly for things like this is an implied insult to women?
It's also an insult to men, if you think about it. The whole description of anything as "manly" is kind of stupid.
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster
Nope.
If the overwhelming majority of bike shop techs are male you would be going against the averages by assuming the female is the tech. You knew what my point was and cannot wiggle out with semantics.
And I agree with you that Ryda made sexist comments but as you know, I wasn’t referring to him.

Two misunderstandings, going both ways. See my replies above.
I really thought you were referring to a situation with two techs, one male and female, and you had to choose between them. If you reread your post, I think you'll realize that's not an unreasonable interpretation just as I realized it was not clear whose comment I was calling sexist. I'm glad we aren't really disagreeing (much) here.
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If someone says your'e as dumb as a box of hammers, is it an insult to hammers, boxes, or both?
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Originally Posted by Koyote
It's also an insult to men, if you think about it. The whole description of anything as "manly" is kind of stupid.

The only thing I disagree with in that statement is "kind of".

It's definitely meant as an insult to the men who aren't behaving in the way the person making the accusation says they should, but I'm not sure it's an insult to "men" generally. That's a semantics point, and I could go either way.

I will say that I don't think I've heard "unwomanly" used as an insult in quite the same way. That would usually be a comment about appearance, I think.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
If someone says your'e as dumb as a box of hammers, is it an insult to hammers, boxes, or both?

Neither, since both are not sentient.

You're not equating women with either boxes or hammers, are you?

I realize you probably meant this as a complete nonsense joke, but on the off-chance you think you're making some kind of point..

Too much exposure to the internet has made it impossible for anyone to tell when someone is serious about a silly argument...
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
When I hear about "50000 km without a flat" i really feel insecure ..... if can can go five weeks without a flat I feel like I am winning the lottery.
When I hear "50000 km without a flat" I immediately think of Breatharianism and Twinkies.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
livedarklions , you missed the point that downhillmaster is making: he's talking about which person is more likely to be a bike tech, not about which is a better bike tech. He reiterates the point here:
Then it was very poorly worded.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
For future reference for others reading this thread, the seatpost can sometimes serve as a cheater pipe.
I like that. Something to consider if the darn through-axle winds up too tight for just bare hands and I have left the two pound rubber mallet at home! Or I could bring along a two pound segment of pipe!

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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Do you carry a crock pot on long trips so you can re-wax your chain?
People that know bike mechanics do not wax their chains they oil them. Chain are a machine not a floor.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Also, pretty ridiculous that masculinity is somehow the ideal for this. I've gotten some damn good roadside advice from a woman bike mechanic who just happened to be riding by. Just shows how gender imbalanced BF is that someone gets away with the implied put-down of femininity.
Many years ago, when I was moving from Chicago to Seattle, my heater started to leak and car smelled of antifreeze. I pulled off in some small town in Idaho and found a garage. The WOMAN mechanic on duty quickly diagnosed the problem and hooked up a bypass hose to skip the heater system. Made it to Seattle. I did not really address the issue until Winter came along and being without heat became untenable. But SHE really helped.

But I was a "liberated" male before that - my women friends made sure of that! Besides my dad did not know which end of a hammer to use (excellent professional photographer, though) - mom did all those small chores in our apt!
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
OP also doesn’t understand “racer boys” and DF bikes.
You would be wrong again. I rode DF bikes for 58 years. And 2 of my 3 sons raced.
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster
How would you know this?
Real men bike riders don’t ride tricycles
I have a LWB bent that I ride out of town with the bike club. I have a tadpole trike I ride in town, since it is so much easier to do so.
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