Newest Dura-ace and Ultegra will be electronic only
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My most “modern” bike has 90’s era components. By the time I get to the 2021 stuff I should be in my 90’s. I’ll let you know what I think of them then. 🙉
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Future bikes could go the same way. Say the electronic shifting mech on a high tech bike is damaged along with other stuff in an accident. If the maker of the electronic gear makes the stuff all one piece, no way to repair, the bike gets scrapped if the part is expensive. It's no longer a simple mech, with a simple replacement part.
Progress? That depends on your point of view.
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Perhaps. But if I am in a wreck where all my airbags deploy, I'm not really caring about the car. Having that progress is worth every nickel over being dead because a lap belt is a joke.
And while there is e shifting, fluid caliper brakes that could be even more integrated into the bike, I can also go buy a brand new steel bike with 100% mechanical components today, if I choose.
Now excuse me, it seems I have lost my buggy whip and I need to find a seller in the yellow pages.
And while there is e shifting, fluid caliper brakes that could be even more integrated into the bike, I can also go buy a brand new steel bike with 100% mechanical components today, if I choose.
Now excuse me, it seems I have lost my buggy whip and I need to find a seller in the yellow pages.
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I thought frames had to be electronic compatible, or has that been fixed? It was one of the long list of things that has made snooping around modern frames so frustrating. Di2 compatible, disc brake compatible, thru axle compatible, one of 6 or 7 bb standards, etc.
On a related note, has anyone come up with the bicycle power supply yet? Single battery with wiring to key points in the bike for shifters, power meter, phone, light, GPS. Steel frames would be perfect for this. I’m gonna get on that. Now where did I put that soldering iron?
On a related note, has anyone come up with the bicycle power supply yet? Single battery with wiring to key points in the bike for shifters, power meter, phone, light, GPS. Steel frames would be perfect for this. I’m gonna get on that. Now where did I put that soldering iron?
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And this is why my Luddite self has stuck to friction-shifting rear derailleurs on 6-7-speed Freewheels... Double- or triple fiction-shift fronts... My (old) stuff STILL works great, thankyouverymuch!!!!!
Oh, and I only have ONE 700c bike, the rest are 27"...
Yes, I am a Luddite, 40 years too late (apologies to Jimmy Buffett)
Oh, and I only have ONE 700c bike, the rest are 27"...
Yes, I am a Luddite, 40 years too late (apologies to Jimmy Buffett)
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All you have to ask yourself is, what bike am I going to grab in the zombie apocalypse?
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I'm pretty sure this won't affect my aw hub habit.
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Can't ride today, transmission has electrical failures, brake system has hydraulic failures, tubeless tires have an air leak, frame has a hairline crack, I should have bought a better bike than this $4000 piece of crap.
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Yeah!
What's with this shifting business anyway? All those complicated pivots to seize up, pulleys to gum up with road debris, cables to fray, and cable housings to pinch.
And don't get me started on chains that stretch and have to be lubricated regularly or they squeal like an ungreased wagon axle.
Now put me back on my high wheeler and get out of my Peonies!
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What's with this shifting business anyway? All those complicated pivots to seize up, pulleys to gum up with road debris, cables to fray, and cable housings to pinch.
And don't get me started on chains that stretch and have to be lubricated regularly or they squeal like an ungreased wagon axle.
Now put me back on my high wheeler and get out of my Peonies!
Brent
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Yeah, next thing you know they’ll start making derailleur parts out of Delrin!
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I don't think this will affect most of my bikes, but I do want it for my travel bike.
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Hybrid Electronic-Wireless-Mechanical, all wrapped into one package and Bluetooth enabled! Shazam! Never turn a limit screw or cable barrel again. RD adjustments from the comfort of your Lazy Boy.
Neal, now that's not Cino!
Actually, I think it is a rather cool gizmo that would be perfect for my 54 speed Cannondale hybrid.
Neal, now that's not Cino!
Actually, I think it is a rather cool gizmo that would be perfect for my 54 speed Cannondale hybrid.
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I'm more worried that it is getting a bit harder every year to find 27" skin wall tires than I am bike tech is advancing.
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These 2 new groups directly affect an infintisimaly small % of the cycling market. Heck, it directly affects a small % of the enthusiast road cycling market.
Shimano has clearly stated they will continue to produce 11sp mechanical drivetrain components.
11sp mechanical shifting is super nice- I have it on 3 bikes now. It's fast, comfortable, satisfying. If people don't want to go 12sp electric then they don't need to.
Old frames can still be modernized, if that's a fear for some.
Shimano has clearly stated they will continue to produce 11sp mechanical drivetrain components.
11sp mechanical shifting is super nice- I have it on 3 bikes now. It's fast, comfortable, satisfying. If people don't want to go 12sp electric then they don't need to.
Old frames can still be modernized, if that's a fear for some.
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Listen to the latest cyclingtips podcast. They do a deep dive with a couple of Shimano guys who very much state Shimano will continue to produce 11sp.
Maybe they lied, though there is no reason to even suspect that. Maybe they aren't aware of actual plans, though there is no reason to even suspect that. Maybe they plan to make it for only 1 year or something sneaky technically true like that.
Who know, but with 4 road groups at 11sp or lower still, it's reasonable to think they would just sunset 11sp and keep the lower speeds anytime soon.
Maybe they lied, though there is no reason to even suspect that. Maybe they aren't aware of actual plans, though there is no reason to even suspect that. Maybe they plan to make it for only 1 year or something sneaky technically true like that.
Who know, but with 4 road groups at 11sp or lower still, it's reasonable to think they would just sunset 11sp and keep the lower speeds anytime soon.
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Listen to the latest cyclingtips podcast. They do a deep dive with a couple of Shimano guys who very much state Shimano will continue to produce 11sp.
Maybe they lied, though there is no reason to even suspect that. Maybe they aren't aware of actual plans, though there is no reason to even suspect that. Maybe they plan to make it for only 1 year or something sneaky technically true like that.
Who know, but with 4 road groups at 11sp or lower still, it's reasonable to think they would just sunset 11sp and keep the lower speeds anytime soon.
Maybe they lied, though there is no reason to even suspect that. Maybe they aren't aware of actual plans, though there is no reason to even suspect that. Maybe they plan to make it for only 1 year or something sneaky technically true like that.
Who know, but with 4 road groups at 11sp or lower still, it's reasonable to think they would just sunset 11sp and keep the lower speeds anytime soon.
I listened to one talk about chains... how he skipped over Uniglide ( a failure ) as a stepping stone to Hyperglide, which it probably was.
no doubt too young to know the truth.
one might look at it this way, how long do you expect an iPhone to last?
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Press secretaries who do not speak The native corporate language. They do the best they can.
I listened to one talk about chains... how he skipped over Uniglide ( a failure ) as a stepping stone to Hyperglide, which it probably was.
no doubt too young to know the truth.
I listened to one talk about chains... how he skipped over Uniglide ( a failure ) as a stepping stone to Hyperglide, which it probably was.
no doubt too young to know the truth.
They aren't press secretaries. Dave Lawrence, the product manager, has been at Shimano since the mid90s. Nick Legan, the brand manager, was a pro mechanic.
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I am with mstateglfr, I now have three Shimano 11s and love them. I was a design engineer for a few years and can say we did our damndest to improve things. You can pick apart marketing and what ever a brand manager does or your individual experience with a "Modern" system but people that study what consumers in general are experiencing say:
"Vehicle dependability is at an all-time high, with the overall level of problems cited by owners declining 10% from a year ago, according to the J.D. Power 2021 U.S. Vehicle Dependability Study."
J.D. Power’s Newest Study Proves New Cars Are More Reliable Than Ever
by Amanda Cline on February 27, 2021"Vehicle dependability is at an all-time high, with the overall level of problems cited by owners declining 10% from a year ago, according to the J.D. Power 2021 U.S. Vehicle Dependability Study."
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I'm puzzled by why this discussion is here. I keep having to check that this is the C&V forum. We'll all be pushing up daisies by the time this becomes a C&V-relevant topic.
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Bernal vs Roglic. Stage 19 Vuelta.
A fantastic stage and a credit to both of them.
But Roglic brakes were screeching in the rain and Bernals rim brakes where silent. They rode together in the same conditions
I'm going to stock on a few good sets of rim brakes and levers. Just in case
A fantastic stage and a credit to both of them.
But Roglic brakes were screeching in the rain and Bernals rim brakes where silent. They rode together in the same conditions
I'm going to stock on a few good sets of rim brakes and levers. Just in case
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