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Old 03-20-23, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
I think you have this confused with the “biggest waste of money” thread.
On BF, anything having to do with money is very contentious.
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Old 03-20-23, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Whatever man....I still choose to have my valve stem caps on, I even carry few spare ones just in case I loose one.
Do whatever you please with your stem caps. But realize they serve absolutely no practical purpose.
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Old 03-20-23, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I'm not "everyone", but if I ever bought a bike with a dork disc, it would get removed before I rode it the first time. Lawyer tabs have been filed off on all my bikes that have had them since I bought my first good bike in 1990. I know how to properly use a quick-release.
I have wheelsets with quick release and nutted solid axles and I never yet failed to tighten them properly, but I still choose to leave the lawyer tabs on, just in case. We're human and humans sometimes forget and make mistakes.
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Old 03-20-23, 04:54 PM
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Recently on BF, a dork disc might have saved a "needlessly contentious" individual from having to pay for his negligence.
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Old 03-20-23, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
I think we had one of those threads before and it was an all out war... BTW I am a big advocate of lawyer tabs and would never file them off
Agree. I mean how much trouble is it to turn that QR a few more turns so the wheel falls out? Really, have people gotten this lazy that they have to defeat safety features for tiny extra convenience?

Heck, I have been on enough club rides where I helped someone change a flat and when I pulled open their QR, it was frighteningly loose.

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Old 03-20-23, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
Recently on BF, a dork disc might have saved a "needlessly contentious" individual from having to pay for his negligence.
My take on dork discs is this. On a new bike, I won't bother to remove it as I like triggering the "real road cyclists". However, once it breaks, I take it off and don't bother to replace it.
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Old 03-20-23, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lombard
Agree. I mean how much trouble is it to turn that QR a few more turns so the wheel falls out? Really, have people gotten this lazy that they have to defeat safety features for tiny extra convenience?
For me, it's a minor irritation that is easily remedied, and then no longer a minor irritation. I find the mounting of disc brake wheels with thru-bolt axles to be irritating in the same kind of way, but there isn't really a way to resolve that, and there are benefits to the thru-axle design. The quick release is elegant in its functional simplicity. The lawyer tabs kind of defeat the simplicity. (IMO, YMMV).
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Old 03-20-23, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric F
For me, it's a minor irritation that is easily remedied, and then no longer a minor irritation. I find the mounting of disc brake wheels with thru-bolt axles to be irritating in the same kind of way, but there isn't really a way to resolve that, and there are benefits to the thru-axle design. The quick release is elegant in its functional simplicity. The lawyer tabs kind of defeat the simplicity. (IMO, YMMV).
If things like that irritate you, you must have a very easy life.
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Old 03-20-23, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lombard
If things like that irritate you, you must have a very easy life.
He did say minor irritation.
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Old 03-20-23, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
He did say minor irritation.
True.
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Old 03-20-23, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Lombard
If things like that irritate you, you must have a very easy life.
"Minor" is an important word in my comment. Presta valve stem caps are in the same category, and even easier to remedy than lawyer tabs.
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Old 03-20-23, 05:58 PM
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Old 03-20-23, 06:03 PM
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Funny how "needlessly contentious" becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Old 03-20-23, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric F
"Minor" is an important word in my comment. Presta valve stem caps are in the same category, and even easier to remedy than lawyer tabs.
The caps are annoying because I have to remember to stuff them and the threaded lockring into my jersey rather than littering, and then they end up in the washer and my wife wonders what the hell they are.
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Old 03-20-23, 06:09 PM
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Does filing off the lawyer tabs fall under the drewing category?
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Old 03-20-23, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by genejockey
The caps are annoying because I have to remember to stuff them and the threaded lockring into my jersey rather than littering, and then they end up in the washer and my wife wonders what the hell they are.
Wait for a pee break, then put them on someone else's bike when they're not looking.
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Old 03-20-23, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Wait for a pee break, then put them on someone else's bike when they're not looking.
I'd have to ride with other people, and I don't like people.
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Old 03-20-23, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
The underrated stem cap serves one vital purpose -- it keeps the spare tube in your saddle bag from impaling itself.

It is completely useless on an installed tube.
Do new bikes ship from the manufacturer without them, since the tube has already been installed? Do the manufacturers agree that they are "completely useless" and leave them off, or will I see valve caps on brand new bikes at a bike shop?
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Old 03-20-23, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by genejockey
The caps are annoying because I have to remember to stuff them and the threaded lockring into my jersey rather than littering, and then they end up in the washer and my wife wonders what the hell they are.
Or you could just put them both on the valve stem - that's about as convenient a place to put them as you'll find, and you don't have to remember anything at all. Plus you'll find the lockring makes it easier to attach a pump.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Neese
Do new bikes ship from the manufacturer without them, since the tube has already been installed? Do the manufacturers agree that they are "completely useless" and leave them off, or will I see valve caps on brand new bikes at a bike shop?
I know more about my personal preferences than a bike shop. One of those preferences is not to have to fiddle around with valve stem caps on presta valves every time I need to top-off tire pressure, which is pretty much every ride.
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Old 03-20-23, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Neese
Or you could just put them both on the valve stem - that's about as convenient a place to put them as you'll find, and you don't have to remember anything at all. Plus you'll find the lockring makes it easier to attach a pump.
I could, but then I'd have to take the silly useless cap off, and put it back on every time I want to bring my tires back up to the proper pressure, and if I get a flat out on the road I have TWO silly useless caps and TWO silly useless lockrings to deal with, generally while working in the cold and wet (because flats happen more often then) with cold-numbed, clumsy fingers.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I could, but then I'd have to take the silly useless cap off, and put it back on every time I want to bring my tires back up to the proper pressure, and if I get a flat out on the road I have TWO silly useless caps and TWO silly useless lockrings to deal with, generally while working in the cold and wet (because flats happen more often then) with cold-numbed, clumsy fingers.
You get two flats at the same time?
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Old 03-20-23, 07:54 PM
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You get two flats at the same time?
One cap and one nut on flatted tube. One cap and one nut on new tube. 1 + 1 = 2 for both cap and nut.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
One cap and one nut on flatted tube. One cap and one nut on new tube. 1 + 1 = 2 for both cap and nut.
Thank you.
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…generally while working in the cold and wet (because flats happen more often than) with cold-numbed, clumsy fingers.
I’m envious. I seem to get more flats near swamps during mosquito blooms…
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