Search
Notices
General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

Mystery puncture

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-30-21, 03:49 PM
  #1  
colt1954
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mystery puncture

I have a strange puncture I can pump up my rear tyre real hard after it's gone real flat and it will stay inflated all day sitting there. I can even go out on it, return and then in about another day or so it's again gone as flat as a pancake, I pump it up again and the same cycle over again - I have checked the valve, spat on it, no bubbles etc - whats going on?
colt1954 is offline  
Old 04-30-21, 04:03 PM
  #2  
cbuddy2005
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Leander Texas
Posts: 157

Bikes: old GT avalanche, Ribble Ti Endurance disc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 3 Posts
Latex tubes??
cbuddy2005 is offline  
Old 04-30-21, 04:13 PM
  #3  
Rolla
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 2,888
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1346 Post(s)
Liked 3,270 Times in 1,439 Posts
Slow leak. You just haven't found it yet.
Rolla is offline  
Likes For Rolla:
Old 04-30-21, 04:22 PM
  #4  
onekgguy
Retired
 
onekgguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Lakeville, MN
Posts: 111

Bikes: Collage Super, Eisentraut Ltd, Sarma Shaman (fatty), Giant Revolt Advanced 0 (gravel), Orbea Oiz M20 (mtb)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
Liked 113 Times in 78 Posts
This is usually an issue with a leak at the valve for me. Sometimes a cap is all that's needed.

Kevin g
onekgguy is offline  
Old 04-30-21, 04:26 PM
  #5  
Gyro
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: lost
Posts: 538
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 128 Post(s)
Liked 98 Times in 49 Posts
Originally Posted by colt1954
I have a strange puncture I can pump up my rear tyre real hard after it's gone real flat and it will stay inflated all day sitting there. I can even go out on it, return and then in about another day or so it's again gone as flat as a pancake, I pump it up again and the same cycle over again - I have checked the valve, spat on it, no bubbles etc - whats going on?
Take the tube out and run a cotton ball inside the tire. Look for a piece of cotton that may have hooked on something sharp.
Gyro is offline  
Likes For Gyro:
Old 04-30-21, 05:26 PM
  #6  
Troul 
Senior Member
 
Troul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Mich
Posts: 7,386

Bikes: RSO E-tire dropper fixie brifter

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked 2,968 Times in 1,917 Posts
Might be one of those April 1st leaks.
That's when someone is inducing a false leak causing you to lose your mental state slowly. You have any vindictive furry critters that may have taught themselves how to deflate a tire in order to keep you in the house with them longer? Deny any kids of sugary items recently that put you in debt to retaliation? Sweet revenge might be the dish being served. Could just be a bum tube/valve.
__________________
-Oh Hey!
Troul is offline  
Old 05-01-21, 03:22 AM
  #7  
colt1954
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Rolla
Slow leak. You just haven't found it yet.
Really but its been 24 hours now and its still well pumped up, it was a new inner tube too, less than 2 weeks old.
colt1954 is offline  
Old 05-01-21, 03:23 AM
  #8  
colt1954
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by cbuddy2005
Latex tubes??
Sorry can you elaborate?
colt1954 is offline  
Old 05-01-21, 03:27 AM
  #9  
colt1954
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by UCantTouchThis
FTR, I have tried the easy way of looking for bubbles but the only thing that helped with tiny tiny pinhole punctures is actually submerging them under water. I have found tiny leaks around the stem that was as well vs trying to do it by eye with spit.
Well yes I guess I will try this next, but also try to extensively examine the wheel/tyre surfaces, will try the cotton wool ball idea too.
colt1954 is offline  
Old 05-01-21, 06:15 AM
  #10  
ted_major
Junior Member
 
ted_major's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Tuscaloosa, Ala.
Posts: 134
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Liked 31 Times in 18 Posts
Originally Posted by colt1954
Sorry can you elaborate?
Latex tubes don't hold air as well as butyl rubber and will slowly leak pressure through the latex skin of the inner tube. They need to be topped up more often than the more typical rubber tubes, which also leak some air through the tube itself, but much more slowly. Whereas you might be able to go a week between pumping up a tire with a rubber tube, you pretty much need to top off a latex tube every time you ride.
ted_major is offline  
Old 05-01-21, 07:47 AM
  #11  
BobbyG
Senior Member
 
BobbyG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 5,972

Bikes: 2015 Charge Plug, 2007 Dahon Boardwalk, 1997 Nishiki Blazer, 1984 Nishiki International, 2006 Felt F65, 1989 Dahon Getaway V

Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1364 Post(s)
Liked 1,677 Times in 827 Posts
I also have had small "micro-punctures" that have only shown up in a sing full of water. Sometimes it was just a couple of bubbles.

One time in the sink I found nothing until I put pressure on the stem by pushing it in all directions. Then the bubbles started.

Another time I had to pump up the inner tube a lot more before the bubble started.
BobbyG is offline  
Old 05-01-21, 09:09 AM
  #12  
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,396
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 3,696 Times in 2,517 Posts
I usually just take one side of the tire off and run my hand around inside the tire until I find whatever caused the puncture. If you leave the tube in place and find the sharp object, that will show you where to look on the tube. I am assuming you are using tubes. If tubeless, this signals loss of sealant.
unterhausen is offline  
Old 05-01-21, 09:47 AM
  #13  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 39,235
Mentioned: 211 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18411 Post(s)
Liked 15,531 Times in 7,327 Posts
Originally Posted by colt1954
Well yes I guess I will try this next, but also try to extensively examine the wheel/tyre surfaces, will try the cotton wool ball idea too.
Yes. Fill the sink or your bathtub if you have one.

One time when I was out on tour I woke to find one of my tires completely flat. Could not find an obvious hole. Ended up inflating the tube and dragging it through a large puddle left over by heavy rain the day before. It revealed the tiniest of holes. So tiny a air bubble would come out only every two seconds or so. Checked the tire thoroughly and finally found a tiny piece of wire. Turning the tire inside out can help you locate debris.
indyfabz is offline  
Old 05-01-21, 09:52 AM
  #14  
jack pot 
Fxxxxr
 
jack pot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: falfurrias texas
Posts: 1,002

Bikes: wabi classic (stolen & recovered)

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2671 Post(s)
Liked 1,151 Times in 872 Posts
carry a mini pump and don't worry
__________________
Nothing is true---everything is permitted
jack pot is offline  
Old 05-01-21, 03:17 PM
  #15  
colt1954
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by indyfabz
Yes. Fill the sink or your bathtub if you have one.

One time when I was out on tour I woke to find one of my tires completely flat. Could not find an obvious hole. Ended up inflating the tube and dragging it through a large puddle left over by heavy rain the day before. It revealed the tiniest of holes. So tiny a air bubble would come out only every two seconds or so. Checked the tire thoroughly and finally found a tiny piece of wire. Turning the tire inside out can help you locate debris.
Well my tyre is still well inflated after going out on it today and it's now 35 plus hours since it went totally flat - weird or what?
What's this wire debris thingy?
colt1954 is offline  
Old 05-01-21, 03:31 PM
  #16  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 39,235
Mentioned: 211 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18411 Post(s)
Liked 15,531 Times in 7,327 Posts
Originally Posted by colt1954
Well my tyre is still well inflated after going out on it today and it's now 35 plus hours since it went totally flat - weird or what?
What's this wire debris thingy?
Could have been a small piece of wire from a car or truck tire or a piece of a staple.
indyfabz is offline  
Old 05-02-21, 03:30 AM
  #17  
colt1954
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by indyfabz
Could have been a small piece of wire from a car or truck tire or a piece of a staple.
Surely unlikely...but will check when I finally do need to remove the tyre - as of Sunday at 10.30, the tyre is still well inflated with no discernable loss of pressure - the mystery deepens.
colt1954 is offline  
Old 05-02-21, 04:56 AM
  #18  
datlas 
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,049

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22596 Post(s)
Liked 8,925 Times in 4,158 Posts
Gaslighting??
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Old 05-02-21, 05:51 AM
  #19  
colt1954
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by datlas
Gaslighting??
Fanciful, or paranoid...lol. Besides I live on my own.
colt1954 is offline  
Old 05-02-21, 01:41 PM
  #20  
Troul 
Senior Member
 
Troul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Mich
Posts: 7,386

Bikes: RSO E-tire dropper fixie brifter

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked 2,968 Times in 1,917 Posts
what tube & tire brands & models are installed currently? Provide pictures of your wheel assemblies as they are fitted now.
__________________
-Oh Hey!
Troul is offline  
Old 05-02-21, 11:41 PM
  #21  
AnthonyG
Senior Member
 
AnthonyG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Queanbeyan, Australia.
Posts: 4,135
Mentioned: 85 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3450 Post(s)
Liked 420 Times in 289 Posts
Slow leaks are nothing new and they are infuriating to find sometimes. If a leak is really slow then just keep on riding and pumping them up every day until it becomes a faster leak. The risk though is that you may have a flat on the road one day. If the leak has now truly stopped, then maybe it was caused by some dust/dirt lodged in the valve somewhere.
AnthonyG is offline  
Old 05-03-21, 04:53 AM
  #22  
colt1954
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by AnthonyG
Slow leaks are nothing new and they are infuriating to find sometimes. If a leak is really slow then just keep on riding and pumping them up every day until it becomes a faster leak. The risk though is that you may have a flat on the road one day. If the leak has now truly stopped, then maybe it was caused by some dust/dirt lodged in the valve somewhere.
Excellent point, maybe it was dust/dirt lodged now cleared when I re-pumped, but I have always had a dust cap fitted!

For the other query it's a 20 inch Schwalbe tyre, but cannot remember what make the tube was?
colt1954 is offline  
Old 05-03-21, 06:45 AM
  #23  
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,396
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 3,696 Times in 2,517 Posts
As it turns out, there are little slivers of wire everywhere on the roads, particularly on the shoulders. It comes mostly from truck tires, I think. I had a slow leak on a ride and couldn't find the cause. I put in a new tube and pumped it up and rode 100 miles on it that way. That was a spare set of tires, so after that ride I took them off. For some reason, before I used them again I checked the tire and found the sliver of wire. The difference might have been that the first time I checked was by the side of the road in the middle of the night, who could know?
unterhausen is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.