Leaving single pawl in a 120pt Chosen hub for noise reduction
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There are literally millions of hubs out there that will meet your needs if you want to build a new wheel. Look for something with fewer teeth on the engagement gear. Or look for older used hubs. Or look at another brand. I have several White Industry hubs that are quite, although older ones are a bit quieter than newer ones. Phil Wood hubs are relatively quiet.
Well if that is the reason, then learn to live with the noise. On the other hand, you don’t need to “stock up” on cartridge bearings. They don’t wear out all that often. I have cartridge bearing hubs with tens of thousands of miles on them and I haven’t had to replace the bearings…ever. I’ve only every had to replace three or 4 cartridge bearings in hubs since I got my first cartridge bearing hub in 1984. One of those replacements was on a hub that I purchased for cheap at a bike swap because the seller didn’t understand that the bearings can be replaced. It’s still going strong.
Stronger how? Strength of spring depends more on the material and thickness of the rod use for the coil than length.
And either cutting the springs or installing shorter ones is just a bad idea. You would reduce the amount of the pawl that is engaged on the engagement ring so you are just catching the very edge of the teeth. You’ll either end up breaking teeth or not engaging at all. Again, quit trying to modify your hubs. It’s a really bad idea.
And either cutting the springs or installing shorter ones is just a bad idea. You would reduce the amount of the pawl that is engaged on the engagement ring so you are just catching the very edge of the teeth. You’ll either end up breaking teeth or not engaging at all. Again, quit trying to modify your hubs. It’s a really bad idea.
If it is too complicated, then learn to live with what you have. Ignore it or learn show tunes. Oklahoma is a favorite of
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It’s more than fashion. The more engagement points, the faster the pawls engage and the less lag there is to pedaling. Perhaps 120 teeth is a bit much but there is a reason for more teeth.
So far only the Hadley seems to have the most pleasant/softest sound.
The original Chinese ones seemed to be slightly notchy/gritty so I have been said to replace them. Then decided to keep the original ones until they develop play or severe notchiness.
Doesn't pawls get forced more in to the theeth of engagement ring by pedalling. Springs are there to keep the contact with the engagement ring only.
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I too don't like the noise the rear hub on my new bike makes. But the manufacturer hardly forced me to buy the bike. And I have the option to change it out whenever I care to.
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Desperate? Surely this is exaggeration. It just seems you have a part that you don't like and you don't want to get one that you might like.
I too don't like the noise the rear hub on my new bike makes. But the manufacturer hardly forced me to buy the bike. And I have the option to change it out whenever I care to.
I too don't like the noise the rear hub on my new bike makes. But the manufacturer hardly forced me to buy the bike. And I have the option to change it out whenever I care to.
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If product description doesn't include the noise it makes then seller and manufacturer is the only left who is responsible. Not every consumer has the time and patience to research millions of products or always learn the hard way since there are loads of other related and unrelated things that need to be sorted out at the same time.
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Well, if you really ride 3-8 hours a day in the early morning or at night, then your bike is going to wear out relatively quickly, so it is worth figuring out now what hub is going to work for you and then how you are going to get it.
Similarly, if you are going to buy a bicycle to ride for so long, a test ride is something in which it is worth investing some patience and time, rather than later wasting far more than that amount of time on forums expressing dissatisfaction which that test ride may have avoided.
Less waffle, more shuffle.
Similarly, if you are going to buy a bicycle to ride for so long, a test ride is something in which it is worth investing some patience and time, rather than later wasting far more than that amount of time on forums expressing dissatisfaction which that test ride may have avoided.
Less waffle, more shuffle.
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If product description doesn't include the noise it makes then seller and manufacturer is the only left who is responsible. Not every consumer has the time and patience to research millions of products or always learn the hard way since there are loads of other related and unrelated things that need to be sorted out at the same time.
However, I think what's in play here is that you, like me have been use to quiet freewheels and freehubs and finally after 50 years of riding bikes got something you don't like. I don't like my noisy freehub. When my hub or wheel is ready for replacement or I decide to get a better wheelset, it'll be on my list to get a quieter freehub.
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If product description doesn't include the noise it makes then seller and manufacturer is the only left who is responsible. Not every consumer has the time and patience to research millions of products or always learn the hard way since there are loads of other related and unrelated things that need to be sorted out at the same time.
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I would remove all the pawls
1. Even more silent
2. You already know it won’t engage so You won’t ride and won’t have an accident because of it.
Win-win
1. Even more silent
2. You already know it won’t engage so You won’t ride and won’t have an accident because of it.
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No, 99.99999999% of the bicycle riders just don't care. Or if they do care they're able to get over it. The vast majority also buy their bikes at a shop and have the chance to listen to it before they buy. If they're buying a wheel chances are they've seen it in person and know what it sounds like.
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At this point it's clear you don't want to get a different hub that might better suit you. Go ahead and take out as many pawls as you like, report back on the results.
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I saw an interview with Chris King where he talked about wanting to design a silent hub and thought a roller clutch was the way to go. He said he was surprised to learn that so many riders actually wanted loud hubs, so that's what he made.
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Well how could they know if the freehub sounds a lot quieter before factory grease wears down? I could have sent the wheel back but since the bike was necessary for commuting then it was out of the question. And I wasn't sure back then about effects of the noise on mental fatigue/anxiety.
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simple solution, go fixie. Noise "problem" fixed
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My new Domane is very loud. I really don't mind and when I coast on the paths it is as attention getting as a bell. Also it lets all the unwashed masses know that I have a super fancy new bike. I didn't know it was gonna be so oud but wasn't too worked up about it when I noticed it.
My old Trek 2.3 is as silent as a ghost with sore feet.
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My old Trek 2.3 is as silent as a ghost with sore feet.
Also ....three legged stools suck. I had some and the triangle design of the legs made e wobbly AF.
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Honestly, go to a reputable LBS in your area & ask them to recommend a quiet hub. If they are worth there reputation, they should know what to suggest & also provide you with preassembled wheel options, a service to build you what you are after, or use your existing wheel with the recommended hub. It will save you a lot of time potentially & the cost may be within reason, especially when it comes to setting it up for spoke tension with wheel trueness.
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my vote for quiet hub, is shimano ultegra 6800. But at this point I don't think it will matter, this will be problem for the OP no matter what. At this point it is not a technical issue, but personal perception issue.
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I'll add that the newer Ultegra and DA hubs are dead simple to adjust. No need for anxiety about fiddling with cone wrenches. Still be interested to see how the one pawl works.
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Honestly, go to a reputable LBS in your area & ask them to recommend a quiet hub. If they are worth there reputation, they should know what to suggest & also provide you with preassembled wheel options, a service to build you what you are after, or use your existing wheel with the recommended hub. It will save you a lot of time potentially & the cost may be within reason, especially when it comes to setting it up for spoke tension with wheel trueness.
Shame American Classic wheels have been discontinued, those seemed to have fairly pleasant ticking noise.