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Old 07-29-22, 08:33 AM
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I hate to admit the truth

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I could respond to this, but I'm not - if we're going to have an A&S discussion, the thread belongs in A&S.

Not here.

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Yeah--C&V really isn't the right place.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
Yeah--C&V really isn't the right place.
Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
I could respond to this, but I'm not - if we're going to have an A&S discussion, the thread belongs in A&S.

Not here.

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I didn't put it up for discussion. Just for the humor. And C&V people are the only ones on this forum with a sense of humor.
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Old 07-29-22, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by gearbasher View Post
I didn't put it up for discussion, Just for the humor. And C&V people are the only ones on this forum with a sense of humor
Some of us are involved heavily in advocacy and all we see is a meme that parrots the speech of entitled drivers who shout down any and all efforts for the safety of people on bicycles (or foot, or using mobility aids). We see so much of this every day that it is very difficult to find humor in it.

For the record, many studies - not just this one from Portland - have found very little percentage difference in statistical red-light running of drivers vs. people on bicycles:
https://bikeportland.org/2013/06/25/...dy-finds-89025

And perhaps one of the most important studies on this topic found that most riders will take a red light on a clear intersection to get away from the drivers behind them that can't be trusted:
https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/

Overall, one is more likely to get compliance when good, safe cycling infrastructure exists so riders don't feel obligated to take every opportunity to put distance between them and motorists.

So...poor joke. Also not even "true," as research has already debunked it.

Also, no escaping the A&S now. Now that's funny.

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P.S.: Hmm..."not up for discussion" on a discussion board? Ooh, that's interesting!
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Old 07-29-22, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by gearbasher View Post
Just for the humor. And C&V people are the only ones on this forum with a sense of humor.
Could have fooled me
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May I point out that if you ride a C & V race bike with the old, less than comfortable brake hoods, you spend far more time in the drops. And if you wear a proper cycling cap with visor you can barely see the green light. Red lights? Where? I never see them. (I make a point of staying out of neighborhoods where they put them at reasonable elevations.)
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Hey, I thought it was funny. But then, I'm weird.
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This is funny, including the righteous harangue.
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Color me robot, but I have failed a couple of those tests and have had to request another round - some of the images are vague at best.

But I must say I thought this was an attempt to be humorous, and I think it had a tone or visual that some have missed.

I thought it was funny.
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And perhaps one of the most important studies on this topic found that most riders will take a red light on a clear intersection to get away from the drivers behind them that can't be trusted:
https://daily.jstor.org/are-cyclists...s-lawbreakers/

I do this all the time. An intersection is a great place to get killed on your bike. I only stay if I have to.
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I could respond to this, but I'm not...
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But you can always skip to the next test! On a serious note, there are some of us that stop.
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Gotta influence this thing into A&S somehow!

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Yeah--C&V really isn't the right place.

Ha!

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Grant Peterson.

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Grant Peterson.



Wouldn't that shove the thread to P&R?
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Wouldn't that shove the thread to P&R?
OH! You mean "John Forester."

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If a cyclist runs a red light, and no one is there to witness the infraction, does the cyclist make a sound?
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Originally Posted by LittleGinseng View Post
If a cyclist runs a red light, and no one is there to witness the infraction, does the cyclist make a sound?
Yes, the sound at 1:28 right here:


The same background music plays too

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Grant Peterson.

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OH! You mean "John Forester."

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How about this:

"Grant Petersen and John Forester were riding their bikes sans helmets, both ran stop signs and crashed into each other after after being hit by a cement mixer and a city bus, respectively, on streets lacking bike infrastructure. Discuss."

That's got to be worth 20 pages, easy.
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In Oregon we've been able to say "who da ho? Idaho" for the past year and run stop signs.
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How about this:

"Grant Petersen and John Forester were riding their bikes sans helmets, both ran stop signs and crashed into each other after after being hit by a cement mixer and a city bus, respectively, on streets lacking bike infrastructure. Discuss."

That's got to be worth 20 pages, easy.
Now that I've recovered from the convulsion of laughter, I'll point out that John was adamant that the middle of the street was bicycle infrastructure.

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Color me robot, but I have failed a couple of those tests
Me too:

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