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Old 07-08-21, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
I'm going to be that guy and say either your memory is faulty or you paid well below msrp on the Trek. Here's the 2010 Trek 3 with Sora, sticker price $750: https://www.bikepedia.com/QuickBike/...spx?item=19426

​​​​​​Here's the 2010 Defy 2 with Tiagra, $1000: https://www.bikepedia.com/QuickBike/...spx?item=19426

2010 Giant Defy Alliance with Tiagra, $1400: https://www.bikepedia.com/QuickBike/...spx?item=19423

There really should have been a bike called the "Felt Something" .
Never had a Trek. The Felt and Giant both had 105s.
The Felt was a Z85 and the Giant was a Defy 1 (had to go back and look at some of my posts from back then).
I went back and checked my old posts from 2011. The Felt was $975 and the Giant was $999. They were both on sale (back when you could actually get bikes on sale...plus I lived in San Diego where bike shops are all over the place and sales were frequent).

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Old 07-08-21, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by pgjackson
Never had a Trek. The Felt and Giant both had 105s.
The Felt was a Z85 and the Giant was a Defy 1 (had to go back and look at some of my posts from back then).
I went back and checked my old posts from 2011. The Felt was $975 and the Giant was $999. They were both on sale (back when you could actually get bikes on sale...plus I lived in San Diego where bike shops are all over the place and sales were frequent).
I typoed, I meant Giant, not Trek. Yes, you got avery good deal on the Giant at $1000, but no, 105 was not normal for all bikes over $500. The big difference rightnow is there's no new bikes from previous model years available with the markdown.
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My 2019 Defy Advanced Pro 2 (£2800 bike at full retail) came with only 105. But current 105 is hardly distinguishable from mechanical Ultegra. Diminishing returns on modern groupsets are enormous, especially now SRAM have a “105” level electronic set.
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Old 07-08-21, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
I typoed, I meant Giant, not Trek. Yes, you got avery good deal on the Giant at $1000, but no, 105 was not normal for all bikes over $500. The big difference rightnow is there's no new bikes from previous model years available with the markdown.
Not trying to be argumentative, but my original point is that I am surprised to see Tiagra on higher end bikes. Don't think I'd spend $1500 on a bike equipped with Tiagra.
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Originally Posted by pgjackson
Not trying to be argumentative, but my original point is that I am surprised to see Tiagra on higher end bikes. Don't think I'd spend $1500 on a bike equipped with Tiagra.

I buy used so I can't fathom spending more than $1500 on a bike, period. LOL.

Not to be argumentative, but your original figure was $1000, and I think that 105 is a much more reasonable expectation at $1500 (right now, that might be a little low, but right now is inflated).

Also, keep in mind that 2021 Tiagra is a fair amount better than 2010 Tiagra. Shimano has kept pace on the upgrades such that a 2021 Tiagra is probably more comparable to a 2010 105 than a 2010 Tiagra while a today 105 is probably more comparable to a 2010 Ultegra.

By the way, besides the trick of buying last year's model, I suspect you were spot on about the number of LBS in San Diego providing you with the better deals. One of the things you may have missed in the last 5 years is the number of LBS that are now closed or bought out by Trek.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
I buy used so I can't fathom spending more than $1500 on a bike, period. LOL.

Not to be argumentative, but your original figure was $1000, and I think that 105 is a much more reasonable expectation at $1500 (right now, that might be a little low, but right now is inflated).

Also, keep in mind that 2021 Tiagra is a fair amount better than 2010 Tiagra. Shimano has kept pace on the upgrades such that a 2021 Tiagra is probably more comparable to a 2010 105 than a 2010 Tiagra while a today 105 is probably more comparable to a 2010 Ultegra.

By the way, besides the trick of buying last year's model, I suspect you were spot on about the number of LBS in San Diego providing you with the better deals. One of the things you may have missed in the last 5 years is the number of LBS that are now closed or bought out by Trek.
Never have been impressed with any Trek store. There is one here in Pensacola but they seem to cater more towards the cruisers and hybrids. Not much selection of road gear. I don't miss anything about San Diego, but the bike shops were epic and plentiful.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Quoting "The Rules" now marks you immediately as a tool.
Pretty sure that was just as true in 2016...

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Originally Posted by ShannonM
Pretty sure that was just as true in 2016...

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No, in 2016, you could cite one rule and still get away with it. It required two rules to attain the tool mark.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
No, in 2016, you could cite one rule and still get away with it. It required two rules to attain the tool mark.
And that tool mark looks remarkably similar to what a cheap repair stand leaves on a seat tube...

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(Well-deserved mockery aside, I always had a soft spot for the Velominati... They were like the Babylon Bee of Bicycling.)
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Originally Posted by ShannonM
And that tool mark looks remarkably similar to what a cheap repair stand leaves on a seat tube...

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(Well-deserved mockery aside, I always had a soft spot for the Velominati... They were like the Babylon Bee of Bicycling.)
While I liked some of the rules as being funny, overall, I've not liked the Velominati one bit. When I see all the rules together, it looks like it started as a pretty good joke on themselves, then they forgot the joke part, and ended up with a list of obnoxious snobby crap that is either comedy too unfunny to be recognized as such or seriously pompous BS. It was written haphazardly by committee, and it shows.
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Originally Posted by ShannonM
(Well-deserved mockery aside, I always had a soft spot for the Velominati... They were like the Babylon Bee of Bicycling.)
I think that's a pretty good comparison -- both are full of clunkers but good for an occasional chuckle.
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Oh yeah, we forgot to tell you; there's a whole new wheel size now; 27.5. 650b are back. Because of the pandemic forcing people to bike due to boredom, even the humble walmart bike is worth 3 figures now.
If anything, 650B is on a downswing again since 2016. There are a lot more offerings in 700C bikes that can fit 38mm+ tires easily these days. That is, if you can get your hands on one...
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