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Old 06-22-20, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigbus
More time in the saddle will definitely make a difference if you keep pushing yourself, but basically there are two types of riders, mashers and spinners. If you're a spinner (likes to pedal fast with little resistance) lower gearing will get you where you want to go. But if you're like me, a masher, more strength than speed in your legs, taller gearing will get you where you want to be. I've changed my cassette on the road bike to gain taller gears and I changed my large ring on my MTB to get the taller gears. Both have made a huge difference for me in overall average speed. Now there are some on here that believe their way to pedal is the only way and I say if it works for them, so be it. When I originally asked about gear changes there were even some that said I was trying to compensate for a lack of physical ability-- meh. Ignore them, they're the ones lacking, and it probably isn't physical. FWIW-since my gearing changes, I've passed roadies on climbs with my mountain bike. I'm pushing 70 yrs and can still run circles around a lot of young people. Just keep riding, Good luck,
Damn! I'm almost 70, and I can hardly ride circles around anyone.
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Old 06-23-20, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TJtheWrecker
I currently ride around 14mph for a 20 mile ride on road, and I seem to be stuck at this pace for the last month.
My friends/strava cyclists regularly churn out 18,19+mph on their roadbikes, with seeming much less effort.


Any tips on how can I become faster?

Some information about me -
I'm 6'4" 200 lbs in decent shape. My bike is the 2021 Specialized Diverge Carbon Sport (gravel bike).
I started biking 4-5 months ago. I am very slow on climbs!
Thank you all for posting. I am mid-40s and prior to corona, I would cycle 20miles a year. Since the end of March, I've put up just shy of 500miles - While that translates to an average of about 40 miles a week over the last 3 months, it hasn't been evenly distributed - over the last few weeks am inching closer to 65-70. I am very heavy - 5'11" 245lb, but was always active - 3x 3mi runs per week, 2-3 2-hour judo sessions, so not completely out of shape, despite my appearance.

I started out in late march 2-3 rides per week, maybe 5-6 miles at about 8 mph - just trying to re-get my bearings. My goal was to bike 45-60 minutes per day to keep in shape. Obviously as time progressed, I went from my nightly ride being 5-6 miles at 8mph (i.e. 6 miles in 45 minutes), walking up hills, to 14 miles in just over an hour, breezing up the same hills without dropping too many gears. That same 14mi ride, I've gone from 1:15 two weeks ago, to 1:10 last week and 1:05 last night.

I have a lower-end bike (one of those lovely bikesdirect bikes - aluminum body/carbon fork, but low-to-mid range Shimano gearset) and wear regular clothing, and use flat pedals.

So I guess my $0.02 - you can definitely improve performance by biking more, and pushing a little harder.

I would also say that one additional point is familiarity builds comfort. I find that the more often I ride a particular route - especially the first handful of times I do it, I improve a lot more knowing when the next hill is coming or which intersections I need to be more careful at.

I would like to think that all of things suggested - clothing, clipless pedals, lightening the load (through equipment or weight loss) will all help me improve my time - I'll get there eventually.
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Originally Posted by caloso
46x12 is plenty enough gear up to 30mph.

If you're a spinner, yes. Not everyone is a spinner.

I know that's sacrilege on BF, but some of us like to use our torque skills.
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OP, I was in your same position back in March. I would say tires and conditioning will help you most improve your speed the most without breaking the bank or buying a different bike. I ride 15-20 miles a day (mostly flat <1,000ft climb) and one longer ride on the weekend. On my first bike, Trek 7600 hybrid, I started around 13mph and averaged around 15.3 before I upgraded. I didn’t lose weight or changed outfits. Just simply rode A LOT. The tires on my next bike (Giant Contend) were stiff and thinner; I was able to instantly average 16mph right off the lot. The bike itself was lighter but not by a lot. Again, tires make a difference.
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Originally Posted by caloso
Intervals.
^^^This....twice a week.
If you’re overweight or have a history of any health issues, see your doctor for advice before trying any high intensity interval training.

I do this one sometimes. Warm up for 10 -15 minutes, then do three or four 1 minute efforts with five minutes easy spinning in between, then cool down gently for ten minutes and call it a day. Riding so hard I can hardly see straight during efforts, And so gently during recoveries that it feels almost devoid of any resistance.
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Old 06-23-20, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TJtheWrecker
Specialized Diverge Carbon Sport (gravel bike).
You have GRAVEL tires. I own two bikes. Gravel bike with gravel tire @ 40mm and road bike with 28mm road tires. On a sprint, in town with traffic lights, etc. the times are almost the same. On the open road they are night and day different.

Look up the spec of your bike and seen if they take tires as skinny as 28mm. If so try these.

Continental Grand Prix 5000 Performance Bike Tire Set of 2


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1



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@TJtheWrecker welcome. I just started in middle of march myself.

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Old 06-23-20, 01:09 PM
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Ride on some rural roads with loose dogs.
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Originally Posted by sean.hwy
You have GRAVEL tires. I own two bikes. Gravel bike with gravel tire @ 40mm and road bike with 28mm road tires. On a sprint, in town with traffic lights, etc. the times are almost the same. On the open road they are night and day different.

Look up the spec of your bike and seen if they take tires as skinny as 28mm. If so try these.

Continental Grand Prix 5000 Performance Bike Tire Set of 2
They're available in a 32mm width.
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Old 06-23-20, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso
46x12 is plenty enough gear up to 30mph.
Who wants to run around in top or next-to-top gear? There's nothing left for a sprint.
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Old 06-23-20, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
Who wants to run around in top or next-to-top gear? There's nothing left for a sprint.
OP asked how to get faster than 15mph. 46x15 at 70rpm (pretty much the definition of mashing) is 17mph with 700x28mm tires. Unless you're on a juniors cassette, the 15t is hardly the top or next to top gear.

https://ritzelrechner.de/?GR=DERS&KB...N=MPH&DV=speed
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Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt
They're available in a 32mm width.
My friends scott gravel bike will except 28mm. If his goal is to have a higher top end speed I would think the 28 would be faster than the 32.

He of course needs to confirm what tires will fit on his rims.
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
Who wants to run around in top or next-to-top gear? There's nothing left for a sprint.
I may be wrong, but I don't think sprinting is a priority for the OP.
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Cocaine and some roids before the ride will get you going fast. You will be a monster out there. Just kidding. For me I started at 12-13 mph on average and now I am up to an 14-15 average. It took awhile to get there but I am doing it. Consistency and you will get faster.
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Originally Posted by Yonah
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I would also say that one additional point is familiarity builds comfort. I find that the more often I ride a particular route - especially the first handful of times I do it, I improve a lot more knowing when the next hill is coming or which intersections I need to be more careful at.

I would like to think that all of things suggested - clothing, clipless pedals, lightening the load (through equipment or weight loss) will all help me improve my time - I'll get there eventually.
Your point I think is valid. In my limited experience riding a loop with hills has helped me with speed and getting over the mental game hills seem to play with us. I find myself attacking hills that I walked up just a few months ago. On the ascent, in my head I ask myself why am I doing this and the simple answer I give myself is "because I can".

No question about it tight fitting clothes will reduce friction which should add speed. In my mind though the biggest benefit to good quality cycling shorts with shammy is the the added comfort on longer rides. The day will come when 25 mile rides will feel like just a short jaunt but once you get chaffed it takes days to recover. I'm not sure just how much clip in pedals adds to speed but after spending months getting mine adjusted and the shoes fitting right I just have a more secure connection to the bike.

I think that having a cadence sensor and heart rate monitor and knowing what are your ranges are is really the most helpful thing to know.
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Didn't read all five pages, but for me interval training was the ticket to as fast as I ever thought possible. There are a million programs; just find the one that seems to fit. I had a cycling coach's advice for the program. BTW, hurt like hell.
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Originally Posted by Barry2
2. Interval training sucks the fun out of cycling.
I disagree wholeheartedly. I bought a power meter (PowerTap G3 hub) just so that I could do intervals effectively, and push myself for 30 sec, 1 min, 5 min, 20 min, drooling and almost to the point of vomiting. I've never had so much fun. I have about 15,000 miles on that Power Meter now. I almost can't ride without it. Watts are everything, and all other metrics (spd, avg spd, cadence, distance, calories) are almost meaningless. Watts/kilograms is king! Disciplined training with a PM for 2-3 years got me from a 17 mph 10 mile commute, to almost getting the sub-5 hour imperial century (group of 4), aka 20 mph for 5 hours.

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Originally Posted by Riveting
I disagree wholeheartedly. I bought a power meter (PowerTap G3 hub) just so that I could do intervals effectively, and push myself for 30 sec, 1 min, 5 min, 20 min, drooling and almost to the point of vomiting..
Riveting,
Why do I get the feeling that you're not 50+ years young.
Both my Kickr Bike and road bike have PM's, but not as an antiemetic !


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BTW: I've stuck with the Intervals, and I'm getting used to it. But still not fun.

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Originally Posted by Barry2
Riveting,
Why do I get the feeling that you're not 50+ years young.
I'm 47 now, and was 43 when I first got the PM. I guess we'll see how I feel about the PM puking subject when I'm an old fart like you. But I ride with a 72 yr old (Tom) that also has a PM, and he's almost always the first one to the top of the climbs, where he waits for us young whippersnappers, and then we discuss our max and avg watts on the climb, he's such an incredible inspiration. I do beat him on the descents though, since I weigh about 35 lbs more. Just talking about watts and puking is getting my heart pumping right now, no kidding.
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Originally Posted by Riveting
when I'm an old fart like you.
I will chose to take that as a sign of respect.

All the best


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Thank you all for your responses -- what I really resonated with is the idea : if you want to go fast, practice going faster.

Instead of 20 mile rides slowly twice a week, and much longer on the weekends. I''m switching those midweek 20 miles to programmed intervals where I actually push myself, and keeping slower endurance weekend rides.

Hope these will lead to results but I will keep you all posted, thank you!
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
Who wants to run around in top or next-to-top gear? There's nothing left for a sprint.
Me, but I'm generally riding one century a week and about 100-150 additional miles per week. Not terribly concerned with saving something for a sprint.

I ride my 53x11 more than any other gear, by a lot.
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Originally Posted by saddlesniffer
Cocaine and some roids before the ride will get you going fast. You will be a monster out there. Just kidding. For me I started at 12-13 mph on average and now I am up to an 14-15 average. It took awhile to get there but I am doing it. Consistency and you will get faster.
so is that where the sniffer part comes in ? But you can keep the roids...
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Funny, I think this thread made me faster this week. I just shifted to the 42/14 on the trail instead of the 42/16, kept a proper cadence and managed not to die for an hour each time. Sometimes a bit of determination is what’s needed.

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Originally Posted by ofajen
Funny, I think this thread made me faster this week. I just shifted to the 42/14 on the trail instead of the 42/16, kept a proper cadence and managed not to die for an hour each time. Sometimes a bit of determination is what’s needed.

Otto
I think this is the best answer for most cyclists who aren't racing. I totally respect interval training and measuring power output but I wouldn't want to invest the time and effort as an avid but merely recreational cyclist. I started paying attention to cadence after riding with my dad's friend who called by cadence "erratic." I found the cheapest Cateye computer (this was late 90s) with cadence and tried to be consistent.

With that said, power meters and training advice have never been more accessible to even the recreational cyclist. If you want to go that route, you have a lot of resources at your disposal.
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Originally Posted by 2old
Didn't read all five pages, but for me interval training was the ticket to as fast as I ever thought possible. There are a million programs; just find the one that seems to fit. I had a cycling coach's advice for the program. BTW, hurt like hell.
it seems to me that all this is very individual
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