View Poll Results: Which country of origin do you prefer for C&V bikes?
Canada
7
4.64%
England
22
14.57%
France
17
11.26%
Germany
0
0%
Italy
34
22.52%
Japan
37
24.50%
Spain
1
0.66%
Switzerland
1
0.66%
USA
22
14.57%
Other
10
6.62%
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Which country of origin do you prefer for C&V bikes?
07-14-21, 09:21 AM
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Their specialty is cranksets.
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How do you determine country of origin? Maybe the frame was made in USA, using British-drawn steel, outfitted with a Japanese drivetrain, running with French rims and chain and Italian handlebars and saddle.
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07-14-21, 12:28 PM
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Not to diverge too much but my much loved but departed 500 Abarth had an Italian transmission, engine made in Detroit, it was assembled in Mexico and Fiat’s headquarters is in London.
Carry on…
07-14-21, 12:36 PM
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My all time favourite bicycle is Italian but mid-range Japanese C&V bicycles generally offer the best value. Having said that, the nation which would win from a count of the number of their bicycles that I've owned, is Canada, and three of those Canadian bicycles are in my Top 5.
Would you care to name the 3 Canadians you have in your top 5?
And one last thing... Do you know where I might find a Jocelyn Lovell really cheap?
07-14-21, 03:25 PM
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I prefer bikes from a country with people.
Tired of these dang reptilians. How do their bicycles even work?
Tired of these dang reptilians. How do their bicycles even work?
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07-14-21, 03:39 PM
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Austrian bikes
Austria, yes! Having owned four Capos, I seem to have a small bias toward Austrian bikes. 
I am glad to have finally acquired a high-quality British bike, as well
I am glad to have finally acquired a high-quality British bike, as well
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
07-14-21, 03:42 PM
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Yup -- my only American bike has Japanese tubing, brakes, and driveline, English saddle, American brake pads, and Team USA red-white-and-blue paint job.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
07-14-21, 03:50 PM
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It's easy.
An Italian frame maker (pick one), brazed from Italian (Columbus/Falck/Deda) tubing, with Italian (Campagnolo/Cinelli/3T) components.
Are there any others?
Why is Italy not leading in this poll (yet)?
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07-14-21, 05:34 PM
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My current collection is dominated by French bikes and my personal favorite bike is French, so I was compelled to vote for France. I like the quirkiness of older French bikes, but I didn't really plan it this way. Generally speaking, I'm more interested in quality over the country of origin. That said, my N+1 preference is aimed at custom/small-batch American builders and classic Italian racers.
England: Speedwell Titalite
France: Gitane Grand Tourisme, LOOK 753, LOOK KG86, Motobecane Grand Jubile, Peugeot UE-8, Peugeot PX-10, Peugeot PR-10
Japan: Nishiki Competition (recently sold)
Italy: De Rosa Pro
Switzerland: Cilo Pacer
Taiwan: Parkpre Road, Parkpre MTB
USA: Merlin Ti
England: Speedwell Titalite
France: Gitane Grand Tourisme, LOOK 753, LOOK KG86, Motobecane Grand Jubile, Peugeot UE-8, Peugeot PX-10, Peugeot PR-10
Japan: Nishiki Competition (recently sold)
Italy: De Rosa Pro
Switzerland: Cilo Pacer
Taiwan: Parkpre Road, Parkpre MTB
USA: Merlin Ti
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07-15-21, 06:39 AM
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For me, it depends on the timeframe.
For the 1980's and up, I prefer Japanese built.
For 1970's back to the 1950's, I prefer French frames. The derailleurs suck though.
Prior to the 1950's, I like Itallian frames. Cambio corsa systems are an interesting solution.
For the 1980's and up, I prefer Japanese built.
For 1970's back to the 1950's, I prefer French frames. The derailleurs suck though.
Prior to the 1950's, I like Itallian frames. Cambio corsa systems are an interesting solution.
07-16-21, 11:37 AM
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at the risk of sounding crazy, riding a bike is a more sedate affair these days... maybe 10 or 15 miles with a mid way stop at a scenic overlook of the ocean with a cuppa and a bit of fruit, and i like being in a certain headspace for my ride. italian racing bikes are no longer what i like but i appreciate and respect the heritage. just can't get into japanese bikes because i can't relate to the history or culture. british bikes in my mind connote solid and steady, kind of like the queen, but french bikes have that bit of flair and panache.. which reminded me of a passage in a book about the great ocean liners from time life publishers that sums up my bike ride as being on the sea on a great liner from the bygone era... and this relates to how i view the various country's of origin for my bikes. and just to make my current build a creature of mixed heritage, i'm doing a beautiful 1950 claud bulter with huret jubilee derailleurs, huret shifters, and a simplex seatpost with italian wooden rims and veloflex tubs. 
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at the risk of sounding crazy, riding a bike is a more sedate affair these days... maybe 10 or 15 miles with a mid way stop at a scenic overlook of the ocean with a cuppa and a bit of fruit, and i like being in a certain headspace for my ride. italian racing bikes are no longer what i like but i appreciate and respect the heritage. just can't get into japanese bikes because i can't relate to the history or culture. british bikes in my mind connote solid and steady, kind of like the queen, but french bikes have that bit of flair and panache.. which reminded me of a passage in a book about the great ocean liners from time life publishers that sums up my bike ride as being on the sea on a great liner from the bygone era... and this relates to how i view the various country's of origin for my bikes. and just to make my current build a creature of mixed heritage, i'm doing a beautiful 1950 claud bulter with huret jubilee derailleurs, huret shifters, and a simplex seatpost with italian wooden rims and veloflex tubs.
Beautiful!
07-16-21, 12:03 PM
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07-16-21, 12:19 PM
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But (mostly) admire Japanese culture and values.
Still, among my favorite bikes are my Bertoni, Torpado, and Miyata.
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I find it a little odd that Japan is winning this poll. Although they were a major manufacturing force during the bike boom, the mass of japanese bikes that were created had little or nothing to do with tradition or love of bicycling racing/touring by the Japanese as it was with the European nations. It had everything to do with manufacturing skill and the business opportunity that the US bike boom created. Am I alone in thinking that admiration for C&V bicycles should be about about tradition, aesthetics, and the involvement of artisans who loved and/or raced bicycles?
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I find it a little odd that Japan is winning this poll. Although they were a major manufacturing force during the bike boom, the mass of japanese bikes that were created had little or nothing to do with tradition or love of bicycling racing/touring by the Japanese as it was with the European nations. It had everything to do with manufacturing skill and the business opportunity that the US bike boom created. Am I alone in thinking that admiration for C&V bicycles should be about about tradition, aesthetics, and the involvement of artisans who loved and/or raced bicycles?
07-16-21, 07:36 PM
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Well, I tried to be logical about this one. I figured since I had sold off so much of the collection it must mean that simply counting up what I have left would validate what my heart said. That being Italy, of course. But.....I've actually got more American made bikes now than anything. So I guess my vote is....yeah, it's still Italy!
I mean I love the Davidson, the David Kirk bike, the custom Evans that rolls so well. But there's just something about the Paletti and the Italian built Lemonds, as well as my beloved Giordana's. My Fuji Opus III is my most beautiful bike, and the ride since I got some proper tubulars on it now is just even better. But....it still doesn't stir my soul like my Italian bikes. Heck, the Pinarello I got recently is just a masterful rocketship on the roads already and I haven't truly gotten to know it yet.
I mean I love the Davidson, the David Kirk bike, the custom Evans that rolls so well. But there's just something about the Paletti and the Italian built Lemonds, as well as my beloved Giordana's. My Fuji Opus III is my most beautiful bike, and the ride since I got some proper tubulars on it now is just even better. But....it still doesn't stir my soul like my Italian bikes. Heck, the Pinarello I got recently is just a masterful rocketship on the roads already and I haven't truly gotten to know it yet.
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