Unknown Frame Identification with Zeus Dropouts
06-01-20, 11:54 PM
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Unknown Frame Identification with Zeus Dropouts
Trying to help a friend ID a repainted frame, presumably mid-late '70s. It has Zeus dropouts front and rear. Fairly distinctive head lug and seat cluster cutouts, and seat stay caps. No BB vent cutout. It does have a serial (?) number on the BB. BB top mount cable guides, no other braze-ons that I know of. I have not been provided with the BB width or thread specs. Sorry for the limited info/photos. I have seen the lug cutouts before, but cannot recall maker; nothing in my inventory matches. Some other components (not sure if OE):Balilla side pull brakes, Huret lower end "ECO" steel rear derailleur, Maeda/Sun Tour "Perfect" 5 speed FW (14t-24t), Nervar alloy cranks (BSA; maybe 63x model?), NISI Moncalieri rims, Michelin hubs/skewers.
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06-02-20, 12:19 AM
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I have seen that lug cutout once before, too, but now am drawing a blank. Somebody will remember but it's an obscure one! Do you mean the Nervar cranks have BSA (BSC) pedal threads, and are the hubs Miche (not Michelin, tho the family names are related they tell us)? Bet this is one that MauriceMoss could nail for you!
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not as yet mentioned is frame tubing and threading standard employed
if frame of Iberian origin it is early enough to still be all metric
how did your friend determine it to be a respray? there is adhesive residue from a head transfer visible.
lug pattern Prugnat 62/d
seat stay treatment is one widely employed in France
ID should come fairly quickly as frame clearly "production" as opposed to "artisanal" - not made by a lone workperson labouring in a garret
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not as yet mentioned is frame tubing and threading standard employed
if frame of Iberian origin it is early enough to still be all metric
how did your friend determine it to be a respray? there is adhesive residue from a head transfer visible.
lug pattern Prugnat 62/d
seat stay treatment is one widely employed in France
ID should come fairly quickly as frame clearly "production" as opposed to "artisanal" - not made by a lone workperson labouring in a garret
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06-02-20, 10:58 AM
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not as yet mentioned is frame tubing and threading standard employed
if frame of Iberian origin it is early enough to still be all metric
how did your friend determine it to be a respray? there is adhesive residue from a head transfer visible.
lug pattern Prugnat 62/d
seat stay treatment is one widely employed in France
ID should come fairly quickly as frame clearly "production" as opposed to "artisanal" - not made by a lone workperson labouring in a garret
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not as yet mentioned is frame tubing and threading standard employed
if frame of Iberian origin it is early enough to still be all metric
how did your friend determine it to be a respray? there is adhesive residue from a head transfer visible.
lug pattern Prugnat 62/d
seat stay treatment is one widely employed in France
ID should come fairly quickly as frame clearly "production" as opposed to "artisanal" - not made by a lone workperson labouring in a garret
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I have seen that lug cutout once before, too, but now am drawing a blank. Somebody will remember but it's an obscure one! Do you mean the Nervar cranks have BSA (BSC) pedal threads, and are the hubs Miche (not Michelin, tho the family names are related they tell us)? Bet this is one that MauriceMoss could nail for you!
Edit: Concerning the hubs; I was told that they were Michelin (no identifying photo), skewers are Michelin from photo evidence.
I agree regarding the "production" vice "artisanal" manufacture; although from what I have seen in the few photos, it appears to be of decent quality.
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The frame looks a lot like the Carlos-branded bike here. Hope this helps.
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The frame looks a lot like the Carlos-branded bike here. Hope this helps.
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BTW - the B.S.A. marking on the inner face of the crank arm is one employed by manufacturer Peyrard on NERVAR brand chainsets to indicate that the pedal thread is 9/16"
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Those lug cutouts are a hallmark of a company called Tecnotelai (of Bologna). I've always thought the cutouts looked like old school flying saucers, but they're probably meant to look like the outline of their logo:
Tecnotelai did quite a few contract builds in the 70s and maybe early 80s (and yes, I've run across Tecnotelai frames that had British threaded BBs). I'm not sure when they stopped making bicycle frames; I think they now only do furniture.
Eugenio Rampinelli (of Roto) tapped a frame builder named Orazio Grenzi (his Viriginia frames are gorgeous btw) to manage the bicycle frame building venture of Tecnotelai. Grenzi then had Luciano Paletti take over his old business.
While I'm sure there were other builders in Italy that may have used Zeus dropouts here and there, I can't think of any off the top of my head. Tecnotelai is the only Italian manufacturer that used them extensively.
As for Carlos (of Maurage, Belgium), the only documentation I've seen isn't really clear whether it was a shop that built frames or rebadged contract builds (I guess being a grossiste might mean likely contracts?):
The linked Carlos is the first by Tecnotelai I've seen, but I have seen a few that looked like they were made by some other Italian contractors (one even had that "Modello Serie Elegant / A Torresini" sticker). Whether these are all legit Carlos frames or owner-decaled, it's hard to tell.
Tecnotelai did quite a few contract builds in the 70s and maybe early 80s (and yes, I've run across Tecnotelai frames that had British threaded BBs). I'm not sure when they stopped making bicycle frames; I think they now only do furniture.
Eugenio Rampinelli (of Roto) tapped a frame builder named Orazio Grenzi (his Viriginia frames are gorgeous btw) to manage the bicycle frame building venture of Tecnotelai. Grenzi then had Luciano Paletti take over his old business.
While I'm sure there were other builders in Italy that may have used Zeus dropouts here and there, I can't think of any off the top of my head. Tecnotelai is the only Italian manufacturer that used them extensively.
As for Carlos (of Maurage, Belgium), the only documentation I've seen isn't really clear whether it was a shop that built frames or rebadged contract builds (I guess being a grossiste might mean likely contracts?):
The linked Carlos is the first by Tecnotelai I've seen, but I have seen a few that looked like they were made by some other Italian contractors (one even had that "Modello Serie Elegant / A Torresini" sticker). Whether these are all legit Carlos frames or owner-decaled, it's hard to tell.
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WOW!
Maurice hits another grand slam.
Huge thanks.
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Thanks, MauriceMoss! Much appreciated.
WRT the Carlos brand, the other tidbit I have to offer is that they also sold re-branded Alans. This is fellow C&V (and Alan) enthusiast Fabio Farelli's Carlos, which I photographed a while back in Haarlem (the original post is here):
WRT the Carlos brand, the other tidbit I have to offer is that they also sold re-branded Alans. This is fellow C&V (and Alan) enthusiast Fabio Farelli's Carlos, which I photographed a while back in Haarlem (the original post is here):
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06-13-20, 02:36 PM
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Tecnotelai Frame Identification
Thanks @MauriceMoss, and @non-fixie for the information and images. I had gotten this marque confused with the Tecnotrat frames, but still didn't know that particular lug cut-out. I have yet to receive anymore information regarding the frame itself regarding threading and dimensions since my friend was looking to purchase, but no more information given by the seller. It could be a higher end frame (possibly Columbus SL, etc.) or some other proprietary tubing that they used. I found an alternate seat tube decal without Columbus markings. If I find more information about this frame I will post it for reference purposes.
(photo credit: Schermata 08-2456532 alle 18.09.36)
(photo credit: Schermata 08-2456532 alle 18.09.36)
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Braze preventing clamp on shifters slipping down.
Hi
I have seen some Zeus bikes have a "v" type braze on the down tube that apart from aesthetics, I assume prevents the shifters from slipping down.
Did any other frame manufacturers use this idea?
I am trying to confirm I have a Zeus but I don't see and "z" on the lugs and the serial number - 3013 - is under the bottom bracket. I see many Zeus frams have Serial Numbers on the headtube.
Here is some other information:
Frame ??
Fork ??
Fork Crown Vagner No.11
Fork Drop outs Zeus
Rear Dropouts Zeus
Headset ??
Stem Cinelli
Bars Cinelli 66 Campione del Mondo (early logo)
Brake Levers Weinmann AG (with quick releases)
Brak Calipers Weinmann AG 750 Vainqueur 999 (black label)
Shifters Zeus Gran Sport
Bottle cage None
FD Zeus
RD Zeus GrandSport
Bottom Bracket ??
BB Width 70mm
Cranks Zeus
Chain
Casette 5 speed
Axelwidth 130mm
Seat post Zeus
Saddle
Peddals Zeus
Hubs Campagnolo Record 1035 High Flange
Rims Fiamme Pista Tubular
I have seen some Zeus bikes have a "v" type braze on the down tube that apart from aesthetics, I assume prevents the shifters from slipping down.
Did any other frame manufacturers use this idea?
I am trying to confirm I have a Zeus but I don't see and "z" on the lugs and the serial number - 3013 - is under the bottom bracket. I see many Zeus frams have Serial Numbers on the headtube.
Here is some other information:
Frame ??
Fork ??
Fork Crown Vagner No.11
Fork Drop outs Zeus
Rear Dropouts Zeus
Headset ??
Stem Cinelli
Bars Cinelli 66 Campione del Mondo (early logo)
Brake Levers Weinmann AG (with quick releases)
Brak Calipers Weinmann AG 750 Vainqueur 999 (black label)
Shifters Zeus Gran Sport
Bottle cage None
FD Zeus
RD Zeus GrandSport
Bottom Bracket ??
BB Width 70mm
Cranks Zeus
Chain
Casette 5 speed
Axelwidth 130mm
Seat post Zeus
Saddle
Peddals Zeus
Hubs Campagnolo Record 1035 High Flange
Rims Fiamme Pista Tubular
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Hello ItalianPassion and welcome to the forum!
Your text description certainly sounds like a Zeus bicycle.
The one piece of information which does not fit is the 70mm shell width.
Actual Zeus produced cycles were done with BNA standard where shells were 68mm.
Another oddity in the text is the statement of a 130mm rear spacing paired with a 5V gear block. A spot of "mix & not match" hath been done here. Perhaps the machine began life at 120mm with a 5V block and someone altered it to 130mm to accommodate a wider stern hub.
Have owned three Zeus machines from the early 1970's and all exhibited the vee-shaped no-slide braze-on you describe.
There are some workarounds for not being able to post images until you have ten posts.
One is in your member's area there is a place to create a member photo album for yourself. It is not necessary to have made ten postings in order to do this. Readers can visit the album and post a URL for it or the actual images to a thread for you.
Another approach is to post your images to a third party image host and then post the URL in a munged form here on the forum in order to get it past the censor. You will of course need to include instructions as to how to de-munge it.
Suggest you commence a new thread on your cycle rather than do this add-on type of procedure.
There are a number of forum members who own or have owned Zeus bicycles who will be able to post some solid information for you.
Hope this assists a bit.
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Hello ItalianPassion and welcome to the forum!
Your text description certainly sounds like a Zeus bicycle.
The one piece of information which does not fit is the 70mm shell width.
Actual Zeus produced cycles were done with BNA standard where shells were 68mm.
Another oddity in the text is the statement of a 130mm rear spacing paired with a 5V gear block. A spot of "mix & not match" hath been done here. Perhaps the machine began life at 120mm with a 5V block and someone altered it to 130mm to accommodate a wider stern hub.
Have owned three Zeus machines from the early 1970's and all exhibited the vee-shaped no-slide braze-on you describe.
There are some workarounds for not being able to post images until you have ten posts.
One is in your member's area there is a place to create a member photo album for yourself. It is not necessary to have made ten postings in order to do this. Readers can visit the album and post a URL for it or the actual images to a thread for you.
Another approach is to post your images to a third party image host and then post the URL in a munged form here on the forum in order to get it past the censor. You will of course need to include instructions as to how to de-munge it.
Suggest you commence a new thread on your cycle rather than do this add-on type of procedure.
There are a number of forum members who own or have owned Zeus bicycles who will be able to post some solid information for you.
Hope this assists a bit.
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Thanks, helps a lot.
I may well have got BB shell wrong. I did not remove the crank to measure so will not be 100% accurate.
I may well have got BB shell wrong. I did not remove the crank to measure so will not be 100% accurate.
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Good day, I found a frame yesterday and I was comparing everything with the bicycle in the thread above. I'm wondering if this is also a Tecnotelai because of the Zeus lugs and the seat stay end caps. Unfortunately i'm unable to load any photos
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there are easy checks you can make to see if frame from Espana or elsewhere
tubing diameters: Zeus frames of this time constructed to metric standard so top tube would be 26.0mm, downtube and seat tube would be 28.0mm, steerer would be 25.0mm, shell width would be 68mm
the only non-Zeus looking detail can see in the photos is the heart-shaped no-slide pib, every Zeus/Alfa frame from this era have seen used a pib which was in the shape of a narrow vee
if Zeus, there is a good possibility that tubing may be all Durifort, in which case saddle pillar size would be something like 26.2mm
one forum member with expertise on the products of Tecnotelai is MauriceMoss
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there are easy checks you can make to see if frame from Espana or elsewhere
tubing diameters: Zeus frames of this time constructed to metric standard so top tube would be 26.0mm, downtube and seat tube would be 28.0mm, steerer would be 25.0mm, shell width would be 68mm
the only non-Zeus looking detail can see in the photos is the heart-shaped no-slide pib, every Zeus/Alfa frame from this era have seen used a pib which was in the shape of a narrow vee
if Zeus, there is a good possibility that tubing may be all Durifort, in which case saddle pillar size would be something like 26.2mm
one forum member with expertise on the products of Tecnotelai is MauriceMoss
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^ that's a weird one cause those headlugs look just like some (never did learn a brandname) that were used by several Japanese brands (Fuji was one, Miyata another) on primarily some mid-range production frames, but never saw any of those with Zeus DOs, or that stay cap treatment, nor with that style full sloping crown...so I have no idea!
All the checks juvela mentions would be essential, plus the seat post size and BB threading (most of all)
All the checks juvela mentions would be essential, plus the seat post size and BB threading (most of all)
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did not recognize lug source/pattern
they appear to have been influenced in their design by the Prugnat 62/d and one series of BOCAMA
suspect they may come from an indigenous Iberian source...
note how thick they have been left
frame appears a production midliner, about two pegs down from the top
looks like its birthday could be anywhere between mid-sixties and early seventies
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did not recognize lug source/pattern
they appear to have been influenced in their design by the Prugnat 62/d and one series of BOCAMA
suspect they may come from an indigenous Iberian source...
note how thick they have been left
frame appears a production midliner, about two pegs down from the top
looks like its birthday could be anywhere between mid-sixties and early seventies
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Thank you for all the information so far. I will measure the tubes and revert back. It came with a Zeus seatpost, Zeus clamp-on cable guides as well as Zeus clamp on downtube shifters, Zeus bb and left Zeus crank arm. There is also a frame number on the bottom bracket, 3624
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thank you for this additional information Diedrich
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thank you for this additional information Diedrich
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Here's the measurements
Top tube 25mm
Down tube 28.8mm
Seat tube 28.8mm
Steerer tube 32mm
Shell width 68mm bsa
The fork has some blue original paint on the steerer tube
Its a 59 frame and the weight is 2kg
Top tube 25mm
Down tube 28.8mm
Seat tube 28.8mm
Steerer tube 32mm
Shell width 68mm bsa
The fork has some blue original paint on the steerer tube
Its a 59 frame and the weight is 2kg
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thank you for this information
makes me wonder if it could be from a Portugal manufacturer
it so, we may never to able to make an identification...
there is a rather long list; here is a partial one -
ADILOP - Bicicletas Adilino Lopes
ALIANÇA - garagem aliança - Barcelos
ALTESA - Capas Peneda - Porto
ALTIS - Alfredo Baptista
AM - António Melo
ANSEVIL - ?
AVLIS - José da Silva Ferreira, Vila Franca de Xira.
ÁGUIA Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
AIDAN D. Silva Sangalhos
ALFA Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
ALSIL - Seixo, Guia - Pombal
ALTIS Alfredo Baptista Sucrs, Lda Porto
ARGUS Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
ARGYLE Castros & Moura Sangalhos
AIRAF -
B
BANDER - Bicicletas Bandeira - Leiria
BITLES-Alhadas Fig. Foz
BUICK
BREMEN - Mieiro & Filhos Sangalhos
C
CABIL – Casa das Bicicletas
CANSILTRA - Cândido da Silva Tralhão, Oiã.
CARMO – Carvalho Marques
CARSIL - António Silva
CARVEL - Manuel Carvalho - Guia, Pombal
CEVELMA - Adão
CHAMPION - F. Pinto Coelho (Herdeiros), Lda
CHAMPION - D. Silva Sangalhos
COSMOS- Joaquim P. da Fonseca, Senhora da Hora/Matosinhos.
CONFERSIL - Constantino Ferreira da Silva
CRISTINA - Aurélio (O nome da marca é apelido da família)
CATALINA
CELINA - D. Silva Lda - Sangalhos
CELTA - Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
COLOSSAL - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
COMBATE - Messias Rodrigues Figueira da Foz
CYANO - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
CLIPER - Capas Peneda - Porto
D
DANÚBIO - Sibal - (Soc. Ind. de Bicicletas de Alcobaça)
DAVIL - cycles-Mário Vidal, Ílhavo.
DEKA - crespo e borges sediada na rua cândido dos reis n-52 porto
DERBAN - Bicicletas Bandeira - Leiria
DIANA - Fausto Carvalho lda
DAKOTA - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
DINAMICA - Viseu
DIVNA - Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
DOGMA - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
DOXA - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
DRAGÂO - Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
DÚNIA - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
DUSEAL - Duque Seabra & Cª Lda Sangalhos
DURAND -
E
EFS - Eurico Ferreira & Sucena
Esmaltina - Sangalhos (M20 / Tininha / Furia / Cinderela)
ESTRELA - José Dias
ETIEL - Joaquim Leite
ETNERAP - António Augusto Parente - Algés
EAGLE-FAKIR - Centro velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos/Coimbra
EXPRESS - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
EXPRESS PARIS - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
F
FERMEN - Ferreiras Mendes Lda. Mortágua.
FERSAN – Fernando Santos
FORWARD – Antero Rodrigues & Filhos Lda.
FUNDADOR - Sociedade importadora de Sangalhos
FÉLIX - Paulino Urbano Félix Sangalhos
FLICA - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda - Mogofores, Anadia
G
GUERSAN - José Guerra dos Santos, Aveiro.
GOA - Capas Peneda - Porto
H
HAVILA - Castros & Moura Sangalhos
HILFERMOT - Centro Ciclista Figueirense - Hildebrando Fernandes Mota - Figueira da Foz
I
IBERIA - Castros & Moura - Sangalhos
IMPERIUM - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
INDEX - Fausto Carvalho - Sangalhos/Santarem/Portimão
INTEGRAL - Fausto Carvalho - Sangalhos/Santarem/Portimão
INTERNACIONAL - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
INVAR - Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
INVENCÍVEL -
J
JAT - ?
JFN - José Ferreira Nunes
JOCAR - Jose Carlos do Barracão - Leiria
JOSIL- José Silva Rosa, Tomar
JUVENTOS - ?
JOANINHA - Fausto de Carvalho Sangalhos
JAVA - Sibal - Alcobaça
K
KEVEL - Empresa Ciclista da Portela, Sangalhos.
Klimax - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
L
LEIBIL - Bicicletas Leiriense
LINITA - (era do dono da Leibil, esta marca apareceu com o nascimento da filha que se chama Lina)
L'ARGEL - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
LE COQ ROYAL - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
LINCE - Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
LIALSAN - lino de Almeida Santiago de Oliveira do bairro
LONGINES - Mieiro & Filhos Sangalhos
M
MALFEIRA - Manuel Ferreira
MELFEIRA
MAYAL - Aveiro
MARTANO - Gonçalves e Matias, Rua Santa Catarina no porto
MARIALVA - Santos & Martins Lda Cantanhede
MARLIMA - Messio Araújo Ribeiro Lima (Viana)
MARSAN - Marcelino dos Santos (Santos & Martins Lda Cantanhede)
MARVIL - Castros & Moura lda
MASIL - Lousa
MAVIC – Manuel Vieira Condença
MAZE - Machado & Azevedo
MESILFER- Messias Silva e Ferrão (Messias Rodrigues - Figueira da Foz???)
MISS - António Sousa Vela,Oliveira do Bairro
MOTRIL - Motas e Trino
MSC - Marcelino dos Sntos & Companhia
MAUPER . Cantanhede
MINERVA - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
MUNDIAL - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
N
NEVADA - António Sousa Vela, Oliveira do Bairro
NEVA - União Ciclística de Águeda
Narvik - Mieiro & Filhos Sangalhos
O
Oliva
OLIVIA - ?
ÓRBITA
Olma - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
Ómega - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva, Sangalhos
ONIBLA - Bombarral
OILIBA -
ONIL -
ONICLA - Alcino Alves pereira
ORETNA - (Antero Rodrigues da Silva- Carvalhos, Porto
ONITSELEC -
P
PERFECTA – Bicimotor
PARAISO - D. Simões Armazens Paraiso Sangalhos/Lisboa
PATEK - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
Q
R
RALLING - António Tavares - Porto
ROSANTE – Rogério Santos
RIDING - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
ROYAL STAR - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
RS - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
Runner - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
S
SAGRES - António Sousa Vela, Oliveira do Bairro
SANGAL - Industria de Veículos lda.
SARAUS - Altino Baptista Soares
SELECTA - ?
SIERA - António Sousa Vela
SIRLA - Sociedade Industrial do Randam
SOBRINCA - Brinquedos e Utilidades para Crianças, Lda. - Caldas de S. Jorge
SURIA - Sucena & Faria
SUEVIA - S. Mª da Feira
SILVA - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
SINCA
SPARKBOOK - Duque Seabra & Cª Lda Sangalhos
SPRINTER - Fausto de Carvalho Sangalhos/Santarem/Portimão
SUPER CHAMPION - D. Silva Sangalhos
SUPER DURAX - Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
SUPER SAID - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
Super SIS - Sereno & Simões/Antonio Sousa Vela Oliveira do Bairro
SUPREME - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
SWYFT - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
SOTNAS-
T
TRICANA
TRÓIA - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
TRYNIA - Messias Rodrigues Figueira da Foz
TISSOT - Capas Peneda - Porto
U
UCAL
V
Veneza - Armazéns Veneza - Afonso Miguel de Figueiredo lda
VIGOSIL - Vicente Gomes da Silva
VILAR - Vilarinho Moura
VANGUARD - Centro Ciclista Figueirense Hildebrando Fernandes Mota Figueira da Foz
VELEDA - D. Simões Armazens Paraiso Sangalhos/Lisboa
VENCEDOR - Duque Seabra & Cª Lda
VASAD - Rua Costa Cabral - Porto
Velo INVICTA - Capas & Peneda - Porto
VICKERS - Sibal - Alcobaça
W
Y
Z
ZENITH
ZINIA
ZAGAIA - Simões & Filhos Sangalhos
ZIUL - Alenquer
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thank you for this information
makes me wonder if it could be from a Portugal manufacturer
it so, we may never to able to make an identification...
there is a rather long list; here is a partial one -
ADILOP - Bicicletas Adilino Lopes
ALIANÇA - garagem aliança - Barcelos
ALTESA - Capas Peneda - Porto
ALTIS - Alfredo Baptista
AM - António Melo
ANSEVIL - ?
AVLIS - José da Silva Ferreira, Vila Franca de Xira.
ÁGUIA Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
AIDAN D. Silva Sangalhos
ALFA Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
ALSIL - Seixo, Guia - Pombal
ALTIS Alfredo Baptista Sucrs, Lda Porto
ARGUS Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
ARGYLE Castros & Moura Sangalhos
AIRAF -
B
BANDER - Bicicletas Bandeira - Leiria
BITLES-Alhadas Fig. Foz
BUICK
BREMEN - Mieiro & Filhos Sangalhos
C
CABIL – Casa das Bicicletas
CANSILTRA - Cândido da Silva Tralhão, Oiã.
CARMO – Carvalho Marques
CARSIL - António Silva
CARVEL - Manuel Carvalho - Guia, Pombal
CEVELMA - Adão
CHAMPION - F. Pinto Coelho (Herdeiros), Lda
CHAMPION - D. Silva Sangalhos
COSMOS- Joaquim P. da Fonseca, Senhora da Hora/Matosinhos.
CONFERSIL - Constantino Ferreira da Silva
CRISTINA - Aurélio (O nome da marca é apelido da família)
CATALINA
CELINA - D. Silva Lda - Sangalhos
CELTA - Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
COLOSSAL - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
COMBATE - Messias Rodrigues Figueira da Foz
CYANO - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
CLIPER - Capas Peneda - Porto
D
DANÚBIO - Sibal - (Soc. Ind. de Bicicletas de Alcobaça)
DAVIL - cycles-Mário Vidal, Ílhavo.
DEKA - crespo e borges sediada na rua cândido dos reis n-52 porto
DERBAN - Bicicletas Bandeira - Leiria
DIANA - Fausto Carvalho lda
DAKOTA - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
DINAMICA - Viseu
DIVNA - Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
DOGMA - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
DOXA - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
DRAGÂO - Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
DÚNIA - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
DUSEAL - Duque Seabra & Cª Lda Sangalhos
DURAND -
E
EFS - Eurico Ferreira & Sucena
Esmaltina - Sangalhos (M20 / Tininha / Furia / Cinderela)
ESTRELA - José Dias
ETIEL - Joaquim Leite
ETNERAP - António Augusto Parente - Algés
EAGLE-FAKIR - Centro velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos/Coimbra
EXPRESS - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
EXPRESS PARIS - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
F
FERMEN - Ferreiras Mendes Lda. Mortágua.
FERSAN – Fernando Santos
FORWARD – Antero Rodrigues & Filhos Lda.
FUNDADOR - Sociedade importadora de Sangalhos
FÉLIX - Paulino Urbano Félix Sangalhos
FLICA - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda - Mogofores, Anadia
G
GUERSAN - José Guerra dos Santos, Aveiro.
GOA - Capas Peneda - Porto
H
HAVILA - Castros & Moura Sangalhos
HILFERMOT - Centro Ciclista Figueirense - Hildebrando Fernandes Mota - Figueira da Foz
I
IBERIA - Castros & Moura - Sangalhos
IMPERIUM - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
INDEX - Fausto Carvalho - Sangalhos/Santarem/Portimão
INTEGRAL - Fausto Carvalho - Sangalhos/Santarem/Portimão
INTERNACIONAL - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
INVAR - Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
INVENCÍVEL -
J
JAT - ?
JFN - José Ferreira Nunes
JOCAR - Jose Carlos do Barracão - Leiria
JOSIL- José Silva Rosa, Tomar
JUVENTOS - ?
JOANINHA - Fausto de Carvalho Sangalhos
JAVA - Sibal - Alcobaça
K
KEVEL - Empresa Ciclista da Portela, Sangalhos.
Klimax - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
L
LEIBIL - Bicicletas Leiriense
LINITA - (era do dono da Leibil, esta marca apareceu com o nascimento da filha que se chama Lina)
L'ARGEL - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
LE COQ ROYAL - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
LINCE - Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
LIALSAN - lino de Almeida Santiago de Oliveira do bairro
LONGINES - Mieiro & Filhos Sangalhos
M
MALFEIRA - Manuel Ferreira
MELFEIRA
MAYAL - Aveiro
MARTANO - Gonçalves e Matias, Rua Santa Catarina no porto
MARIALVA - Santos & Martins Lda Cantanhede
MARLIMA - Messio Araújo Ribeiro Lima (Viana)
MARSAN - Marcelino dos Santos (Santos & Martins Lda Cantanhede)
MARVIL - Castros & Moura lda
MASIL - Lousa
MAVIC – Manuel Vieira Condença
MAZE - Machado & Azevedo
MESILFER- Messias Silva e Ferrão (Messias Rodrigues - Figueira da Foz???)
MISS - António Sousa Vela,Oliveira do Bairro
MOTRIL - Motas e Trino
MSC - Marcelino dos Sntos & Companhia
MAUPER . Cantanhede
MINERVA - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
MUNDIAL - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
N
NEVADA - António Sousa Vela, Oliveira do Bairro
NEVA - União Ciclística de Águeda
Narvik - Mieiro & Filhos Sangalhos
O
Oliva
OLIVIA - ?
ÓRBITA
Olma - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
Ómega - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva, Sangalhos
ONIBLA - Bombarral
OILIBA -
ONIL -
ONICLA - Alcino Alves pereira
ORETNA - (Antero Rodrigues da Silva- Carvalhos, Porto
ONITSELEC -
P
PERFECTA – Bicimotor
PARAISO - D. Simões Armazens Paraiso Sangalhos/Lisboa
PATEK - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
Q
R
RALLING - António Tavares - Porto
ROSANTE – Rogério Santos
RIDING - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
ROYAL STAR - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
RS - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
Runner - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
S
SAGRES - António Sousa Vela, Oliveira do Bairro
SANGAL - Industria de Veículos lda.
SARAUS - Altino Baptista Soares
SELECTA - ?
SIERA - António Sousa Vela
SIRLA - Sociedade Industrial do Randam
SOBRINCA - Brinquedos e Utilidades para Crianças, Lda. - Caldas de S. Jorge
SURIA - Sucena & Faria
SUEVIA - S. Mª da Feira
SILVA - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
SINCA
SPARKBOOK - Duque Seabra & Cª Lda Sangalhos
SPRINTER - Fausto de Carvalho Sangalhos/Santarem/Portimão
SUPER CHAMPION - D. Silva Sangalhos
SUPER DURAX - Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
SUPER SAID - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
Super SIS - Sereno & Simões/Antonio Sousa Vela Oliveira do Bairro
SUPREME - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
SWYFT - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
SOTNAS-
T
TRICANA
TRÓIA - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
TRYNIA - Messias Rodrigues Figueira da Foz
TISSOT - Capas Peneda - Porto
U
UCAL
V
Veneza - Armazéns Veneza - Afonso Miguel de Figueiredo lda
VIGOSIL - Vicente Gomes da Silva
VILAR - Vilarinho Moura
VANGUARD - Centro Ciclista Figueirense Hildebrando Fernandes Mota Figueira da Foz
VELEDA - D. Simões Armazens Paraiso Sangalhos/Lisboa
VENCEDOR - Duque Seabra & Cª Lda
VASAD - Rua Costa Cabral - Porto
Velo INVICTA - Capas & Peneda - Porto
VICKERS - Sibal - Alcobaça
W
Y
Z
ZENITH
ZINIA
ZAGAIA - Simões & Filhos Sangalhos
ZIUL - Alenquer
-----
thank you for this information
makes me wonder if it could be from a Portugal manufacturer
it so, we may never to able to make an identification...
there is a rather long list; here is a partial one -
ADILOP - Bicicletas Adilino Lopes
ALIANÇA - garagem aliança - Barcelos
ALTESA - Capas Peneda - Porto
ALTIS - Alfredo Baptista
AM - António Melo
ANSEVIL - ?
AVLIS - José da Silva Ferreira, Vila Franca de Xira.
ÁGUIA Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
AIDAN D. Silva Sangalhos
ALFA Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
ALSIL - Seixo, Guia - Pombal
ALTIS Alfredo Baptista Sucrs, Lda Porto
ARGUS Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
ARGYLE Castros & Moura Sangalhos
AIRAF -
B
BANDER - Bicicletas Bandeira - Leiria
BITLES-Alhadas Fig. Foz
BUICK
BREMEN - Mieiro & Filhos Sangalhos
C
CABIL – Casa das Bicicletas
CANSILTRA - Cândido da Silva Tralhão, Oiã.
CARMO – Carvalho Marques
CARSIL - António Silva
CARVEL - Manuel Carvalho - Guia, Pombal
CEVELMA - Adão
CHAMPION - F. Pinto Coelho (Herdeiros), Lda
CHAMPION - D. Silva Sangalhos
COSMOS- Joaquim P. da Fonseca, Senhora da Hora/Matosinhos.
CONFERSIL - Constantino Ferreira da Silva
CRISTINA - Aurélio (O nome da marca é apelido da família)
CATALINA
CELINA - D. Silva Lda - Sangalhos
CELTA - Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
COLOSSAL - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
COMBATE - Messias Rodrigues Figueira da Foz
CYANO - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
CLIPER - Capas Peneda - Porto
D
DANÚBIO - Sibal - (Soc. Ind. de Bicicletas de Alcobaça)
DAVIL - cycles-Mário Vidal, Ílhavo.
DEKA - crespo e borges sediada na rua cândido dos reis n-52 porto
DERBAN - Bicicletas Bandeira - Leiria
DIANA - Fausto Carvalho lda
DAKOTA - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
DINAMICA - Viseu
DIVNA - Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
DOGMA - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
DOXA - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
DRAGÂO - Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
DÚNIA - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
DUSEAL - Duque Seabra & Cª Lda Sangalhos
DURAND -
E
EFS - Eurico Ferreira & Sucena
Esmaltina - Sangalhos (M20 / Tininha / Furia / Cinderela)
ESTRELA - José Dias
ETIEL - Joaquim Leite
ETNERAP - António Augusto Parente - Algés
EAGLE-FAKIR - Centro velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos/Coimbra
EXPRESS - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
EXPRESS PARIS - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
F
FERMEN - Ferreiras Mendes Lda. Mortágua.
FERSAN – Fernando Santos
FORWARD – Antero Rodrigues & Filhos Lda.
FUNDADOR - Sociedade importadora de Sangalhos
FÉLIX - Paulino Urbano Félix Sangalhos
FLICA - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda - Mogofores, Anadia
G
GUERSAN - José Guerra dos Santos, Aveiro.
GOA - Capas Peneda - Porto
H
HAVILA - Castros & Moura Sangalhos
HILFERMOT - Centro Ciclista Figueirense - Hildebrando Fernandes Mota - Figueira da Foz
I
IBERIA - Castros & Moura - Sangalhos
IMPERIUM - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
INDEX - Fausto Carvalho - Sangalhos/Santarem/Portimão
INTEGRAL - Fausto Carvalho - Sangalhos/Santarem/Portimão
INTERNACIONAL - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
INVAR - Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
INVENCÍVEL -
J
JAT - ?
JFN - José Ferreira Nunes
JOCAR - Jose Carlos do Barracão - Leiria
JOSIL- José Silva Rosa, Tomar
JUVENTOS - ?
JOANINHA - Fausto de Carvalho Sangalhos
JAVA - Sibal - Alcobaça
K
KEVEL - Empresa Ciclista da Portela, Sangalhos.
Klimax - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
L
LEIBIL - Bicicletas Leiriense
LINITA - (era do dono da Leibil, esta marca apareceu com o nascimento da filha que se chama Lina)
L'ARGEL - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
LE COQ ROYAL - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
LINCE - Leonel S. Castro Sereno Coimbra
LIALSAN - lino de Almeida Santiago de Oliveira do bairro
LONGINES - Mieiro & Filhos Sangalhos
M
MALFEIRA - Manuel Ferreira
MELFEIRA
MAYAL - Aveiro
MARTANO - Gonçalves e Matias, Rua Santa Catarina no porto
MARIALVA - Santos & Martins Lda Cantanhede
MARLIMA - Messio Araújo Ribeiro Lima (Viana)
MARSAN - Marcelino dos Santos (Santos & Martins Lda Cantanhede)
MARVIL - Castros & Moura lda
MASIL - Lousa
MAVIC – Manuel Vieira Condença
MAZE - Machado & Azevedo
MESILFER- Messias Silva e Ferrão (Messias Rodrigues - Figueira da Foz???)
MISS - António Sousa Vela,Oliveira do Bairro
MOTRIL - Motas e Trino
MSC - Marcelino dos Sntos & Companhia
MAUPER . Cantanhede
MINERVA - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
MUNDIAL - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
N
NEVADA - António Sousa Vela, Oliveira do Bairro
NEVA - União Ciclística de Águeda
Narvik - Mieiro & Filhos Sangalhos
O
Oliva
OLIVIA - ?
ÓRBITA
Olma - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
Ómega - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva, Sangalhos
ONIBLA - Bombarral
OILIBA -
ONIL -
ONICLA - Alcino Alves pereira
ORETNA - (Antero Rodrigues da Silva- Carvalhos, Porto
ONITSELEC -
P
PERFECTA – Bicimotor
PARAISO - D. Simões Armazens Paraiso Sangalhos/Lisboa
PATEK - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
Q
R
RALLING - António Tavares - Porto
ROSANTE – Rogério Santos
RIDING - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
ROYAL STAR - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
RS - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
Runner - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
S
SAGRES - António Sousa Vela, Oliveira do Bairro
SANGAL - Industria de Veículos lda.
SARAUS - Altino Baptista Soares
SELECTA - ?
SIERA - António Sousa Vela
SIRLA - Sociedade Industrial do Randam
SOBRINCA - Brinquedos e Utilidades para Crianças, Lda. - Caldas de S. Jorge
SURIA - Sucena & Faria
SUEVIA - S. Mª da Feira
SILVA - Manuel Rodrigues da Silva Sangalhos/Aveiro
SINCA
SPARKBOOK - Duque Seabra & Cª Lda Sangalhos
SPRINTER - Fausto de Carvalho Sangalhos/Santarem/Portimão
SUPER CHAMPION - D. Silva Sangalhos
SUPER DURAX - Centro Velocipédico de Sangalhos Sangalhos Coimbra
SUPER SAID - Aliança Velocipédica da Bairrada Lda Mogofores Anadia
Super SIS - Sereno & Simões/Antonio Sousa Vela Oliveira do Bairro
SUPREME - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
SWYFT - D. Silva Lda Sangalhos
SOTNAS-
T
TRICANA
TRÓIA - Miguel Rodrigues de Oliveira Sangalhos
TRYNIA - Messias Rodrigues Figueira da Foz
TISSOT - Capas Peneda - Porto
U
UCAL
V
Veneza - Armazéns Veneza - Afonso Miguel de Figueiredo lda
VIGOSIL - Vicente Gomes da Silva
VILAR - Vilarinho Moura
VANGUARD - Centro Ciclista Figueirense Hildebrando Fernandes Mota Figueira da Foz
VELEDA - D. Simões Armazens Paraiso Sangalhos/Lisboa
VENCEDOR - Duque Seabra & Cª Lda
VASAD - Rua Costa Cabral - Porto
Velo INVICTA - Capas & Peneda - Porto
VICKERS - Sibal - Alcobaça
W
Y
Z
ZENITH
ZINIA
ZAGAIA - Simões & Filhos Sangalhos
ZIUL - Alenquer
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a manufacturer in Portugal did some contract production for Flandria during the boom era
the cycles were done to BSC standard so exhibited BSC threading and tube diameters
bicycle would not have been produced in Spain at this time with BSC dimension tubes & threading
Spain began to move to ISO dimension ~1983-1984
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one possibility you might wish to explore is that of a low countries origin for the bicycle
during the 1960's era there were quite a few frames done there with Zeus ends; both BE & NL build to BSC standard
the one detail which might point to a specific producer is the heart-shaped no-slide pib
as you look at other frames you could keep an eye out for this feature...
-----
a manufacturer in Portugal did some contract production for Flandria during the boom era
the cycles were done to BSC standard so exhibited BSC threading and tube diameters
bicycle would not have been produced in Spain at this time with BSC dimension tubes & threading
Spain began to move to ISO dimension ~1983-1984
---
one possibility you might wish to explore is that of a low countries origin for the bicycle
during the 1960's era there were quite a few frames done there with Zeus ends; both BE & NL build to BSC standard
the one detail which might point to a specific producer is the heart-shaped no-slide pib
as you look at other frames you could keep an eye out for this feature...
-----
Last edited by juvela; 12-23-23 at 12:19 PM. Reason: addition
