10 Speed Campy Cassette with Shimano RD?
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10 Speed Campy Cassette with Shimano RD?
I've come into a set of Zipp wheels, and the rear has a beautiful Campy Record hub (no cassette on it). The road bike I’m building has a 10-speed Shimano drivetrain with Dura Ace bar end shifters (indexed), and I’m wondering if there’s anything I can do to make the rear wheel (with the Campy freehub) workable with the 10-speed Shimano road drivetrain?
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Just set the right shifter to friction.
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I haven’t done it with 10 speed, but I’ve run Campag shifters and derailleurs with Shimano 8 and 11 speed cassettes with no problem. I set my indexing based on the middle cogs (so 4/5 for 8spd, 6 for 11, and presumably 5/6 for 10), and then set the limiting screws at either end. The difference in cassette width between Shimano and Campag 10 is 1.6mm, so if you “split the difference” this way, the chainline is within 0.8mm of the cogs.
No guarantee it’ll work to your level of satisfaction, but I’d give it a go before spending on a shiftmate or replacement free hub body etc.
No guarantee it’ll work to your level of satisfaction, but I’d give it a go before spending on a shiftmate or replacement free hub body etc.
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I haven’t done it with 10 speed, but I’ve run Campag shifters and derailleurs with Shimano 8 and 11 speed cassettes with no problem. I set my indexing based on the middle cogs (so 4/5 for 8spd, 6 for 11, and presumably 5/6 for 10), and then set the limiting screws at either end. The difference in cassette width between Shimano and Campag 10 is 1.6mm, so if you “split the difference” this way, the chainline is within 0.8mm of the cogs.
No guarantee it’ll work to your level of satisfaction, but I’d give it a go before spending on a shiftmate or replacement free hub body etc.
No guarantee it’ll work to your level of satisfaction, but I’d give it a go before spending on a shiftmate or replacement free hub body etc.
But I do not think this is the case with 10 speed, and you won't get nice shifting. The cassette spacing is not the same, and the margin of error is too small. You can probably make it rideable in some gears, but certainly not all. If you have a high tolerance for imperfection, maybe that's not such a big deal .
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Originally Posted by Leinster;[url=tel:22081115
22081115[/url]] No guarantee it’ll work to your level of satisfaction, but I’d give it a go before spending on a shiftmate or replacement free hub body etc.
I was perusing Craigslist last night and happened to come upon a great deal on a beautiful late ‘80s Miele Latina frameset (Columbus SL tubing, Campy headset) and realized I’ve got a bunch of Campy I was needing a place for (was going to part it out), and realized I could run it all on this beautiful frameset. So I’m thinking to get an 8-speed Campy cassette for the Zipps and run it with the rest of the Campy.
HOWEVER I’d still be interested in riding these Zipps on the bike with the 10-speed Shimano drivetrain, so either running the right Dura Ace bar end shifter it in friction mode or getting the Shiftmate would be the options.
So now I’m wondering: would I need the Shiftmate 1 or the Shiftmate 4? (Or some other one?)
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I've come into a set of Zipp wheels, and the rear has a beautiful Campy Record hub (no cassette on it). The road bike I’m building has a 10-speed Shimano drivetrain with Dura Ace bar end shifters (indexed), and I’m wondering if there’s anything I can do to make the rear wheel (with the Campy freehub) workable with the 10-speed Shimano road drivetrain?
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OP UPDATE! I found another workaround altogether, but I’m still interested in all these suggestions (you’ll see why).
I was perusing Craigslist last night and happened to come upon a great deal on a beautiful late ‘80s Miele Latina frameset (Columbus SL tubing, Campy headset) and realized I’ve got a bunch of Campy I was needing a place for (was going to part it out), and realized I could run it all on this beautiful frameset. So I’m thinking to get an 8-speed Campy cassette for the Zipps and run it with the rest of the Campy.
HOWEVER I’d still be interested in riding these Zipps on the bike with the 10-speed Shimano drivetrain, so either running the right Dura Ace bar end shifter it in friction mode or getting the Shiftmate would be the options.
So now I’m wondering: would I need the Shiftmate 1 or the Shiftmate 4? (Or some other one?)
I was perusing Craigslist last night and happened to come upon a great deal on a beautiful late ‘80s Miele Latina frameset (Columbus SL tubing, Campy headset) and realized I’ve got a bunch of Campy I was needing a place for (was going to part it out), and realized I could run it all on this beautiful frameset. So I’m thinking to get an 8-speed Campy cassette for the Zipps and run it with the rest of the Campy.
HOWEVER I’d still be interested in riding these Zipps on the bike with the 10-speed Shimano drivetrain, so either running the right Dura Ace bar end shifter it in friction mode or getting the Shiftmate would be the options.
So now I’m wondering: would I need the Shiftmate 1 or the Shiftmate 4? (Or some other one?)
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Depending on the age of the Campag hub you may be able to change the freehub to a Shimano compatible freehub. Then you can use a Shimano 10-sp cassette on the Record hub. You would need a Campagnolo P/N FH-BO015X1, but it will only work if you have a non-cutout axle. The non-cutout axle is P/N FH-BO001, but if you have to replace both it probably is going to be more expensive than getting a good Shimano compatible hub.
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Depending on the age of the Campag hub you may be able to change the freehub to a Shimano compatible freehub. Then you can use a Shimano 10-sp cassette on the Record hub. You would need a Campagnolo P/N FH-BO015X1, but it will only work if you have a non-cutout axle. The non-cutout axle is P/N FH-BO001, but if you have to replace both it probably is going to be more expensive than getting a good Shimano compatible hub.
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11-speed Shimano and Campy cassettes have the same spacing, so they will work together no problem; and as you've done with the 8 speed, there's enough margin of error that it will work.
But I do not think this is the case with 10 speed, and you won't get nice shifting. The cassette spacing is not the same, and the margin of error is too small. You can probably make it rideable in some gears, but certainly not all. If you have a high tolerance for imperfection, maybe that's not such a big deal .
But I do not think this is the case with 10 speed, and you won't get nice shifting. The cassette spacing is not the same, and the margin of error is too small. You can probably make it rideable in some gears, but certainly not all. If you have a high tolerance for imperfection, maybe that's not such a big deal .
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Originally Posted by cxwrench;[url=tel:22082332
22082332[/url]]It's a question about something mechanical. It should be obvious. Take a look around for a minute, there are tons of forum sections for a reason.
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Depending on the age of the Campag hub you may be able to change the freehub to a Shimano compatible freehub. Then you can use a Shimano 10-sp cassette on the Record hub. You would need a Campagnolo P/N FH-BO015X1, but it will only work if you have a non-cutout axle. The non-cutout axle is P/N FH-BO001, but if you have to replace both it probably is going to be more expensive than getting a good Shimano compatible hub.
FH-BUU015 - Freehub for Campy 9 to 11
FH-BUU015X1 - Freehub for HG 9 to 11
FH-BO001 - Cutout axle for pre-2006 OS hubs
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More basically, what is the dropout spacing on your Meile frame? For the 8 speed or higher hearings you need 130 mm spacing. So measure the space between the dropouts and you should get 130 mm or 5.12” or (less accurately) 5 ⅛ “. If it is not this value you need to see if there is a trusted local bike shop which has the skills to cold-set your rear triangle to 130 mm.
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A 10 second Google reveals:
https://cyclingtips.com/2017/12/mixi...what-doesnt-2/
Mixing and matching 10sp Shimano/Campagnolo seems to be a bit questionable. You might be able to get a Shimano freehub body for the Record hub, I have no idea. Regardless, that's a 20 year old niche part, good luck finding if it exists.
In unrelated news, I currently have a Quarq (SRAM) crankset, Super Record levers and derailleurs, and an Ultegra cassette and chain running 11sp on one of my bikes. Works perfectly.
https://cyclingtips.com/2017/12/mixi...what-doesnt-2/
Mixing and matching 10sp Shimano/Campagnolo seems to be a bit questionable. You might be able to get a Shimano freehub body for the Record hub, I have no idea. Regardless, that's a 20 year old niche part, good luck finding if it exists.
In unrelated news, I currently have a Quarq (SRAM) crankset, Super Record levers and derailleurs, and an Ultegra cassette and chain running 11sp on one of my bikes. Works perfectly.
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A 10 second Google reveals:
https://cyclingtips.com/2017/12/mixi...what-doesnt-2/
Mixing and matching 10sp Shimano/Campagnolo seems to be a bit questionable. You might be able to get a Shimano freehub body for the Record hub, I have no idea. Regardless, that's a 20 year old niche part, good luck finding if it exists.
In unrelated news, I currently have a Quarq (SRAM) crankset, Super Record derailleurs, and an Ultegra cassette and chain running 11sp on one of my bikes. Works perfectly.
https://cyclingtips.com/2017/12/mixi...what-doesnt-2/
Mixing and matching 10sp Shimano/Campagnolo seems to be a bit questionable. You might be able to get a Shimano freehub body for the Record hub, I have no idea. Regardless, that's a 20 year old niche part, good luck finding if it exists.
In unrelated news, I currently have a Quarq (SRAM) crankset, Super Record derailleurs, and an Ultegra cassette and chain running 11sp on one of my bikes. Works perfectly.
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A 10 second Google reveals:
https://cyclingtips.com/2017/12/mixi...what-doesnt-2/
Mixing and matching 10sp Shimano/Campagnolo seems to be a bit questionable. You might be able to get a Shimano freehub body for the Record hub, I have no idea. Regardless, that's a 20 year old niche part, good luck finding if it exists.
In unrelated news, I currently have a Quarq (SRAM) crankset, Super Record derailleurs, and an Ultegra cassette and chain running 11sp on one of my bikes. Works perfectly.
https://cyclingtips.com/2017/12/mixi...what-doesnt-2/
Mixing and matching 10sp Shimano/Campagnolo seems to be a bit questionable. You might be able to get a Shimano freehub body for the Record hub, I have no idea. Regardless, that's a 20 year old niche part, good luck finding if it exists.
In unrelated news, I currently have a Quarq (SRAM) crankset, Super Record derailleurs, and an Ultegra cassette and chain running 11sp on one of my bikes. Works perfectly.
I would also do coldsetting to match the frame dropout spacing to the intended wheel OLD. It might just be opinion, but based on my engineering training I beleive the stresses inside the hub based on the forces between it and the frame are smaller when there is not a twist applied to the hub by the dropout.
Many riders have stuffed wheels into frames and had that cause no problems. That doesn't mean I'm wrong, I would just rather not do that on one of my bikes.