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Old 05-14-14, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by echappist
oh i admit i used a bit of poetic license there. But it really does work better than most other methods i've tried (e.g. Goof off alone and elbow grease). With the butterknife, you basically scrap from side to the middle, dip in more Goof off as you go. The process will leave you a surface thati's probably clean enough, but i go at it again with a rag and Goof off to remove any major remaining glue.
i think once you're in with cleaning, you need to go 100%.

i have some of schwalbe's tubular glue remover on the way. had to get it from germany. it's supposed to be pretty miraculous -- less elbow grease than goof-off and no soaking of the rim (where you get more than the rim).

in the past i've used a heat *** + knife, but it is still a pain.
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Originally Posted by UmneyDurak
Kool, I will give it a shot. I was dreading replacing my rear tubular.
Originally Posted by carpediemracing
Tubular glue - spray with Contractor Solvent, put rim on some cardboard or some other disposable thing, wait a bit, spray more, etc. At some point it should be such that you can wipe it clean.

I've never tried it but the 5 time Jr national champ in town, his dad does this with all the Zipp wheels they own (cross and road). He bought them by the case where I used to work before he started sourcing them himself.

Pro De-Solv-it® CONTRACTORS' SOLVENT™ REMOVES ALL THIS!
i looked up the MSDS for it, and it's basically kerosene and glycol ethers. At least appears a bit safer than Goof off

none of this stuff is good for you, btw, and i feel a bit guilty for using them

ETA: also just looked up MSDS for Goof off. This stuff is pretty bad: mostly acetone, but decent amount of Xylene and ethylbenzenes. I probably would not have bought it based on the fact it contains xylenes.

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Originally Posted by echappist
i looked up the MSDS for it, and it's basically kerosene and glycol ethers.

none of this stuff is good for you, btw, and i feel a bit guilty for using them
Well yeah I kind of figured if it can melt the old glue it's not the most pleasant thing. I was planning on doing it outside with gloves and ****.
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It's also terrible for the environment.
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The only valid reason to glue your own tubulars is the cheap high, and thus doing them outside is in fact doing it wrong.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
The only valid reason to glue your own tubulars is the cheap high, and thus doing them outside is in fact doing it wrong.
+1. i like to do it in an unventilated garage.

in other news...looks like my upgrade to 11s is happening sooner rather than later. thanks oba...i mean shimano.
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Yea, my lbs guy that does my tubulars really did a piss poor job this go around. I usually don't mind this route and forgive the glue mess he leaves as I know he does a good job glueing them to the rim. However, it has been about 3 months and when the tubulars are flat, I notice a little less glue than I would like around the valve.


Next go around I'll be doing the glueing..I've been putting it off anyway
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on the topic of track upgrades, I just got my track cat 3 after submitting my request on the following bases: cat 2 road, cat A at Tuesday night racing, 3 omniums - two 1st overalls and one 3rd overall, and competed at collegiate track nationals (albeit I got crashed out). Was still 8 points short of the required 20 I believe, but my argument was persuasive and they gave it to me (I tried several times before using the same argument, but I finally talked to the upgrade official in person and he finally agreed, previously he was adamant on 20 points plus a letter from a track certified coach). Ironically, I just decided to quit racing track and trade my track bike for a TT bike...

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Haha. I'm a Cat5 when it comes to needles.

Seriously I am afraid of them.
sure, sure.
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Originally Posted by thechemist
Yea, my lbs guy that does my tubulars really did a piss poor job this go around. I usually don't mind this route and forgive the glue mess he leaves as I know he does a good job glueing them to the rim. However, it has been about 3 months and when the tubulars are flat, I notice a little less glue than I would like around the valve.


Next go around I'll be doing the glueing..I've been putting it off anyway
c'mon, do your screen name justice. You are a chemist after all.
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It's also terrible for the environment.
yeah, guilty as charged...

i shouldn't have bought that gallon of Goof off in retrospect...

btw, i also have moth balls but wonder just how i should get rid of them. definitely a dangerous item. wish i had gotten rid of them back in grad school when i could have disposed of it properly...
Originally Posted by tetonrider
+1. i like to do it in an unventilated garage.

in other news...looks like my upgrade to 11s is happening sooner rather than later. thanks oba...i mean shimano.
you bought an external battery charger?

also, that's for both the road and tt bikes, right?
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Originally Posted by echappist
you bought an external battery charger?
It's used for firmware updates and programming.
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Tell me you are selling your 10s DI2 TT group cheap? To me?

Originally Posted by tetonrider
+1. i like to do it in an unventilated garage.

in other news...looks like my upgrade to 11s is happening sooner rather than later. thanks oba...i mean shimano.
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Originally Posted by echappist
you bought an external battery charger?

also, that's for both the road and tt bikes, right?
sm-btr2--internal charger + system programmer.

multiple bikes, yes.

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Tell me you are selling your 10s DI2 TT group cheap? To me?
i haven't decided, but i might. are you really looking for it? i have all the parts for an 11s tt install because the deal happened to be too good, but 11s isn't going to make a bit of difference for me on the tt bike (or any bike, really)--and my bike is super dialed for 7970.

i need to figure out how i want to rig the 11s; i need to do some modifications to a new aero cockpit. shoot me a PM and i can keep you informed. might take me a bit of time to get around to things.
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Originally Posted by echappist
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btw, i also have moth balls but wonder just how i should get rid of them. definitely a dangerous item. wish i had gotten rid of them back in grad school when i could have disposed of it properly...
There are no hazardous waste drop-off facilities where you live? We have "Ecostations" where you can drop off solvents, paint, dead batteries, electronic waste, etc. They have a reuse area where you can take home working electronics and up to 4 cans of recycled paint.
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Old 05-15-14, 05:12 AM
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Around here, no. Nothing open all the time. We have hazardous waste days that are run as fundraisers by local churches, Boy Scout troops, etc. if you miss it you miss it.
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Originally Posted by hack
I used to get these for bee stings, still no real clue if it did much. I carry an epipen for all rides to be safe.

Fun story...my bee allergy likely developed when I was about 4. My older brother (6 at the time) told me to go check out this bee hive in the barn behind our house. So, when I got close, he chucked a big rock at it and I got stung dozens of times in the head. No adverse reaction other than a ton of pain and fear. Good fun!

Some 3 years later in elementary school, a group of us thought we'd see how many bees we could catch (I didn't know I was allergic yet). Naturally, I got stung and ignored it until about 20 minutes later when I was covered in hives. The school nurse called my mom and sent me home telling her I'd be ok. My mom, luckily, was wiser and we went to the hospital where I collapsed and stopped breathing. A few shots later and all was good.

I've been stung a few times since, but used an anakit (pre-epipen days) or an epipen before any signs of reaction set in.
It was bee stings for me too. When I was about 5, I was playing in a tire swing and got stung. Swelled up huge and my dad rushed me to the emergency room. For awhile I had to carry a little red case with a giant needle in it. Those were pre-Epipen days.

In the fifth grade, I got stung by a bee and had to use the Epipen. I had never used it before, and in my panic, I didn't pay very close attention to the directions. I thought it said push down on one side and the needle would shoot out the other. Nope.

It shot right into my thumb.

The needle went right into my bone, bent, and got stuck. By the time I got to the ER, the doctors were more concerned about how to get the Epipen out of my hand than any reaction to the bee sting. After that, I got a one-year reprieve on allergy shots, before having to start again for a bunch of other stuff.

In the last three years, I've averaged one bee sting a year, and have not had any major reactions.
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
+1. i like to do it in an unventilated garage.

in other news...looks like my upgrade to 11s is happening sooner rather than later. thanks oba...i mean shimano.
Nice. I briefly considered going to 11-speed this week. My buddy is closing his shop and offered me the opportunity to order anything I want at cost. Unfortunately, money is kind of tight right now - my wife's contract ends soon, and she has not yet found another full time job - so I can't really spend the money on vanity upgrades for the bike.

I did buy some tubulars (2 Conti Sprinters, 2 Vittoria Corso Elite), Speedplay Zero Cleats, and two packages of Fizik bar tape for about $200. I figured that stuff is worth stocking up on. Especially since I just glued up three new tubulars.

And I know those aren't the nicest tubulars, but since I kind of like riding tubulars all the time, they make sense.
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I have two bikes given to us for Junior. I've been trying to figure out how to "smallify" them so he can use them as strider type bikes so they're in the general use area (living room / breakfast table, basically where he plays). Yesterday Junior went up to one of them and gestured and asked for help (verbally and using sign). I put him on the bike and he got really agitated so I put him down. He ran over to his helmet (which we got for trailering and he hated it), came back, asked me to put it on his head, and then buckle the strap.

THEN he was ready to get on the bike. I pushed him around a couple laps of our first floor.

One of the two bikes is a really tall wooden strider bike. I'm going out now to get some wood to modify it. It's so tall he'll be like 6 before he can stride it but with a different (custom!) frame he should be able to use it now.
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic
There are no hazardous waste drop-off facilities where you live? We have "Ecostations" where you can drop off solvents, paint, dead batteries, electronic waste, etc. They have a reuse area where you can take home working electronics and up to 4 cans of recycled paint.
We have 1 once a year .... this Saturday. Time to gather up the old paint cans etc...
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
I have two bikes given to us for Junior. I've been trying to figure out how to "smallify" them so he can use them as strider type bikes so they're in the general use area (living room / breakfast table, basically where he plays). Yesterday Junior went up to one of them and gestured and asked for help (verbally and using sign). I put him on the bike and he got really agitated so I put him down. He ran over to his helmet (which we got for trailering and he hated it), came back, asked me to put it on his head, and then buckle the strap.

THEN he was ready to get on the bike. I pushed him around a couple laps of our first floor.

One of the two bikes is a really tall wooden strider bike. I'm going out now to get some wood to modify it. It's so tall he'll be like 6 before he can stride it but with a different (custom!) frame he should be able to use it now.
Great!

One option that might be easier than modifying the strider is picking up a $10 12" Magna or whatever from CL and just removing the chain, cranks, and training wheels. That's what I did. I bought a 2nd one at the same time and bent the training wheels up as the kids got better and better with the bike. Just when they'd get comfortable, the wheels would go up another 1/2" and force them to balance and lean in turns. A some point each of them had the training wheels like 4" off the ground before I convinced them that they didn't need them at all (the strider helped with this). All of them were off training wheels by their 2nd birthday.
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Great!

One option that might be easier than modifying the strider is picking up a $10 12" Magna or whatever from CL and just removing the chain, cranks, and training wheels. That's what I did. I bought a 2nd one at the same time and bent the training wheels up as the kids got better and better with the bike. Just when they'd get comfortable, the wheels would go up another 1/2" and force them to balance and lean in turns. A some point each of them had the training wheels like 4" off the ground before I convinced them that they didn't need them at all (the strider helped with this). All of them were off training wheels by their 2nd birthday.
We have a Specialized Hotrock (that's the bike he grabbed) but it's about 5" too tall for him in terms of leg length touching the ground, and he can barely reach the pedal at the bottom of the pedal stroke. It's a smaller style 12" wheel bike. The strider frame I roughly sketched out would have the sitting area at about 12" off the ground, although I'm thinking that 10" might be better (figuring out an easy way to adjust height). If the plan works with the wood I can just make more frames. The original wood strider bike is from footcycles.com and it's huge.

Footcycles bike (they're out of business I think). I think his saddle height should be about where the bottom of the (fake) spring sits, or thereabouts. The bike is 2-3" longer than the Hotrock.


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Lots of code, no picture...
I can see the pictures; sounds like a personal problem.

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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
We have a Specialized Hotrock (that's the bike he grabbed) but it's about 5" too tall for him in terms of leg length touching the ground, and he can barely reach the pedal at the bottom of the pedal stroke. It's a smaller style 12" wheel bike. The strider frame I roughly sketched out would have the sitting area at about 12" off the ground, although I'm thinking that 10" might be better (figuring out an easy way to adjust height). If the plan works with the wood I can just make more frames. The original wood strider bike is from footcycles.com and it's huge.

Footcycles bike (they're out of business I think). I think his saddle height should be about where the bottom of the (fake) spring sits, or thereabouts. The bike is 2-3" longer than the Hotrock.
Sounds like a plan. There was one trick I used to lower the seat further: the post clamp could be flipped upside down so the saddle rails were below the clamp, and the post would still go through the clamp. You might see if that's possible with the Hotrock. I would highlight possible stem flipping opportunities, but something tells me you already have this part mastered...
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