Sad….Even Riding in a Bike Lane
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While we wait for corroboration that the driver was texting your lack of credibility has been established.
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"While we wait for corroboration"? Since when? Who is included in this "we" you are referring to who wait for corroboration before spouting off about the causes of specific bicycle-auto collisions for which they zero knowledge? Certainly it doesn't include the posters on A&S who seem to see in their accident forensics crystal ball a texting driver behind every steering wheel.
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This is just about the stupidest illustration of a point I have ever seen. How many sharks have a drivers license? How many sharks take a test to swim and sign an agreement to stay out of swimming area? Zero. You know why? They are a ******g animal. They don't have higher intelligence like human beings should. They don't know a bicycle from a shark cage.
"I accept the risks" dur dah dur.
A human actually CAN see lines on the road. A human CAN interpret obstacles in their path and have a couple of innovative inventions called a steering wheel and a brake. In conjunction with their brain and reflexes, human beings have an ability to miss cyclists. They have an ability to understand that you are supposed to share the road, give room to pass safely...when they choose to.
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This is just about the stupidest illustration of a point I have ever seen. How many sharks have a drivers license? How many sharks take a test to swim and sign an agreement to stay out of swimming area? Zero. You know why? They are a ******g animal. They don't have higher intelligence like human beings should. They don't know a bicycle from a shark cage.
"I accept the risks" dur dah dur.
A human actually CAN see lines on the road. A human CAN interpret obstacles in their path and have a couple of innovative inventions called a steering wheel and a brake. In conjunction with their brain and reflexes, human beings have an ability to miss cyclists. They have an ability to understand that you are supposed to share the road, give room to pass safely...when they choose to.
"I accept the risks" dur dah dur.
A human actually CAN see lines on the road. A human CAN interpret obstacles in their path and have a couple of innovative inventions called a steering wheel and a brake. In conjunction with their brain and reflexes, human beings have an ability to miss cyclists. They have an ability to understand that you are supposed to share the road, give room to pass safely...when they choose to.
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The scariest thing about riding today are people who text and drive and I see it too much. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. They should increase the penalty for driving and texting.
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Last week a car coming around a curve starting coming at me while I was riding but the driver finally looked up in time to avoid hitting me. It was a female…….on the same road……..made me wonder if it were the same person.
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A couple months back, I got hit while waiting at a stoplight in the left turn lane because the driver behind me "thought the light had changed" when it hadn't, so she went and I got a ride on her hood. My back is still eff'd up and I don't have a bike. I frequently wonder if she was looking at her phone when she hit the accelerator.
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Screaming for the motorists head on a pike and then heading right out into open waters under the exact same circumstances (drunks, druggies, distracted ppl galore) seems a bit curious UNLESS, the cyclist has made their peace with God and fully ACCEPTS the danger with consciousness of action.
Have you? Or "it will never happen to me" is the order of the day. I make the conscious decision every time I throw my leg over a top tube. Every. Single. Time.
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This is just about the stupidest illustration of a point I have ever seen. How many sharks have a drivers license? How many sharks take a test to swim and sign an agreement to stay out of swimming area? Zero. You know why? They are a ******g animal. They don't have higher intelligence like human beings should. They don't know a bicycle from a shark cage.
"I accept the risks" dur dah dur.
A human actually CAN see lines on the road. A human CAN interpret obstacles in their path and have a couple of innovative inventions called a steering wheel and a brake. In conjunction with their brain and reflexes, human beings have an ability to miss cyclists. They have an ability to understand that you are supposed to share the road, give room to pass safely...when they choose to.
"I accept the risks" dur dah dur.
A human actually CAN see lines on the road. A human CAN interpret obstacles in their path and have a couple of innovative inventions called a steering wheel and a brake. In conjunction with their brain and reflexes, human beings have an ability to miss cyclists. They have an ability to understand that you are supposed to share the road, give room to pass safely...when they choose to.
REALIZE the danger. ACCEPT the danger (or not). Why freak out every time the shark bites someone else while we are swimming in the gall-dang "shark-filled ocean"?
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Riding on the highway you get passed by hundreds of "sharks" within just a few feet. Drunk, loaded, distracted, sleepy, stupid sharks in giant steel armored vehicles. People make mistakes all the time. Not one minute goes by without a motorist mistake. The shark reference is to a dangerous creature for whom a swimmer has no control over. A cyclist has ZERO control over the next 100 cars zooming past. If the cyclist gets tagged, or the swimmer get bitten, are we SURPRISED? Seems like it up in here.
REALIZE the danger. ACCEPT the danger (or not). Why freak out every time the shark bites someone else while we are swimming in the gall-dang "shark-filled ocean"?
REALIZE the danger. ACCEPT the danger (or not). Why freak out every time the shark bites someone else while we are swimming in the gall-dang "shark-filled ocean"?
Just the same, there are some significant differences here that shouldn't be ignored.
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A couple months back, I got hit while waiting at a stoplight in the left turn lane because the driver behind me "thought the light had changed" when it hadn't, so she went and I got a ride on her hood. My back is still eff'd up and I don't have a bike. I frequently wonder if she was looking at her phone when she hit the accelerator.
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Does this mean you're against starting one of these threads every time there's a news story about a cyclist getting hit by a car?
I'd totally agree with that, but for somewhat different reasons.
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How naive some of us are thinking there was a difference between an wild animal out to feed and a human being with a valid drivers licence after passing road and written tests.
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If you swim in the open ocean and a fish eats you, that's a risk YOU took, hopefully knowingly.
If you bike on the open road and a car hits you, that's a risk YOU took, hopefully knowingly.
You have control over what YOU do, not what the rest of the world does, human, fish, whatever. If you expose yourself to danger that is on YOU.
For God's sake people, stop acting so surprised every time a cyclist gets blown up on the highway. They rolled the dice and snake-eyes came up. Every single motorist on Earth is an imperfect human. They are screaming past us at high speeds just inches away. The room for error is tiny. I've been seeing these horror stories here since 2007 when I joined up. Of all the motorists charged and jailed over the years, NOTHING has changed. All the rest of the humans are STILL imperfect, including cyclists. Someone will roll snake-eyes again next week and the week after that. The only thing this has to do with Advocacy and SAFETY is to highlight the unpopular notion that cycling on high speed roadways is NOT 100% safe and never will be no matter how many knucklehead motorists get spanked in the legal system. When the sun comes up tomorrow your odds of getting hozed is EXACTLY the same as yesterday or last year.
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You still missed the point.
If you swim in the open ocean and a fish eats you, that's a risk YOU took, hopefully knowingly.
If you bike on the open road and a car hits you, that's a risk YOU took, hopefully knowingly.
You have control over what YOU do, not what the rest of the world does, human, fish, whatever. If you expose yourself to danger that is on YOU.
For God's sake people, stop acting so surprised every time a cyclist gets blown up on the highway. They rolled the dice and snake-eyes came up. Every single motorist on Earth is an imperfect human. They are screaming past us at high speeds just inches away. The room for error is tiny. I've been seeing these horror stories here since 2007 when I joined up. Of all the motorists charged and jailed over the years, NOTHING has changed. All the rest of the humans are STILL imperfect, including cyclists. Someone will roll snake-eyes again next week and the week after that. The only thing this has to do with Advocacy and SAFETY is to highlight the unpopular notion that cycling on high speed roadways is NOT 100% safe and never will be no matter how many knucklehead motorists get spanked in the legal system. When the sun comes up tomorrow your odds of getting hozed is EXACTLY the same as yesterday or last year.
If you swim in the open ocean and a fish eats you, that's a risk YOU took, hopefully knowingly.
If you bike on the open road and a car hits you, that's a risk YOU took, hopefully knowingly.
You have control over what YOU do, not what the rest of the world does, human, fish, whatever. If you expose yourself to danger that is on YOU.
For God's sake people, stop acting so surprised every time a cyclist gets blown up on the highway. They rolled the dice and snake-eyes came up. Every single motorist on Earth is an imperfect human. They are screaming past us at high speeds just inches away. The room for error is tiny. I've been seeing these horror stories here since 2007 when I joined up. Of all the motorists charged and jailed over the years, NOTHING has changed. All the rest of the humans are STILL imperfect, including cyclists. Someone will roll snake-eyes again next week and the week after that. The only thing this has to do with Advocacy and SAFETY is to highlight the unpopular notion that cycling on high speed roadways is NOT 100% safe and never will be no matter how many knucklehead motorists get spanked in the legal system. When the sun comes up tomorrow your odds of getting hozed is EXACTLY the same as yesterday or last year.
TBH, I sort of kind of agree with you here. Where we differ is I think the impression one gets from A&S is that bicycling is a LOT more dangerous than it really is, and that this is really the opposite of advocacy. The endless dissection of any given crash by a bunch of self-appointed armchair "experts" spouting their pet theories of everything based on sketchy media reports is not helping this situation as it makes these incidents look and feel a lot more common than they really are. I also think your rhetoric grossly exaggerates the risk one is taking on when one cycles.
I'm perfectly ok with the idea that we should be discussing safety issues such as how to ride knowing that there will always be distracted drivers, and advocating laws and policies that might lessen some of the danger posed by them, but this "I'm sure this driver was texting" crap is useless, pointless and counter-productive.
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Same applies to other activities when some people overreact to alarmist headlines and imagined threats and inflate the actual risk of serious injury/death from relatively rare events, and the drama ensues.
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Killed by a motor vehicle driver who swerved into the bike lane. Why do cars swerve?
Drunk or stoned
Distracted
Road hazard or avoiding something else
Bad driver
Medical issue
Mechanical issue
Premeditated murder
reports say drugs and alcohol not involved
Unidentified driver should be made public on arrest for vehicular manslaughter.
Drunk or stoned
Distracted
Road hazard or avoiding something else
Bad driver
Medical issue
Mechanical issue
Premeditated murder
reports say drugs and alcohol not involved
Unidentified driver should be made public on arrest for vehicular manslaughter.
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Yeah, just a few differences... indeed.
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Handsfree, but still distracted, by the use of a cell phone. Big surprise! Yet, still no charges.
Police: Cellphone (hands-free) at play for driver in San Ramon crash that killed NFL's Knapp | News | DanvilleSanRamon.com |
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