Old Tubulars ?
11-04-22, 02:09 PM
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Old Tubulars ?
So this C&V guy I have known for a while has been after me to sell him an old set of wheels I have. I don't have a clue what to tell him value-wise. I built them in '80 or '81 for crits and TT. Phil Wood hubs 100/120, DT double butted 15/16/15 stainless to DT alloy nipples and Fiamme Ergal rims. Old Panaracer 185gm tires still hold air. I'm not clawing for pennies, just a general sorta number would be cool.
many thanks
Charlie
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11-04-22, 04:26 PM
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On these most of the value is in the hubs which if in real good shape with nice vintage sewers go for $150-200 a set. To be honest the old tubular rims and tires don't have a lot of value so for a friendly In person sale I would $150 or so.
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Agree with @zukahn1, the value is in the hubs. FWIW, I sold a set of early Phil hubs on eBay in August of this year. 100/120 spacing, 36 holes, no rust or nicks, red Phil logos were in nice condition, no skewers. I listed these with a Buy it Now price of $300 plus $10 for shipping.....sold in less than 24 hours.
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My opinion on Fiamme Ergal rims is based on my experience with them on the road, which is generally not good and many have the same opinion on them. Yes for "special" race events like criteriums or time trials, they make some sense, but for regular road use, they are just too noodley and fragile..... so their highest values might mostly be based on what a collector who might not regularly ride them, so they will be the best people to sell them to.
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My opinion on Fiamme Ergal rims is based on my experience with them on the road, which is generally not good and many have the same opinion on them. Yes for "special" race events like criteriums or time trials, they make some sense, but for regular road use, they are just too noodley and fragile..... so their highest values might mostly be based on what a collector who might not regularly ride them, so they will be the best people to sell them to.
(Those Robergel Sports were junky, looked awful but light! and save for the 4 defective spokes per box, reliable. One or two broke every wheel. Once replaced, those wheels went until the rims died. Oh, and they were a challenge to build. Lengths varied, depth of threading varied, actual thickness varied. Took a while to get each wheel basically round, true and even tensions. A few years later I tried the Wheelsmith spokes. What a treat! But when I was racing, all the SS spokes I knew of were reliability-wise, garbage.)
I did do one non-race ride on those wheels. After racing a two day, three stage race in Bethel, Maine, a fellow racer and I rode west to North Conway, NH, stayed at a motel, then rode south on Rt 16 to Massachusetts, detouring west to Lake Winnipesaukee as we passed, then southeast to Boston. 50 miles to NH after a 60 mile race then 160 the next day. A treat to ride those wheel for a 300 mile long weekend!
We ogled Phils back then. My Pro-Ams came on my Fuji and I bought a second pair for my training wheels for cheap. (Worked in a Fuji shop.) Much later I came to realize just how nice those Pro-Ams are.
11-07-22, 02:56 PM
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I began using DT stainless in '78 or '79. So far I've never had a single problem. DT makes Robergel look like a reject hi school shop project
Looks like I'm prolly gonna be pulling the hubs outa those wheels
Looks like I'm prolly gonna be pulling the hubs outa those wheels
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@Steel Charlie - Whatch guna du wid da Spokes? I might be interested.
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