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Riding on the road when there’s bike lanes

Old 09-28-22, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cramic View Post
There’s an insanely frustrating/unsafe section of road here in Perth that I’ll try to describe.

It’s called Hackett Drive and runs next to the Uni of WA. It’s very, very popular with cyclists being one of two main links in to the city from the western suburbs with a designated bike lane that is, in general, very good.

But it has a couple of roundabouts (American readers, please google what one is &#128521 where the road narrows and the bike path essentially leaves the road to join the pavement and then you have to cross the entry roads to the roundabout like a pedestrian.

It’s a joke. I’ve never seen a cyclist use the lanes here, and I ride it almost daily, they instead just merge into the road and use the roundabout as per a motor vehicle. But cars aren’t necessarily expecting it. There’s not even signs to let traffic know the bike lane is ending and cyclists will
merge.

I almost got squashed by a bus there (at least in my melodramatic mind I did) and I complained to Transperth who upheld the complaint.

Its saving grace is the majority of drivers on it are familiar with it, mostly being of the Nedlands/Dalkeith suburb and using it daily themselves.
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Originally Posted by DanielGatli View Post
Err, what isn't clear? I get angry when I drive and a biker appears on the road.

Fellow driver here. Get over yourself, that's a really crappy attitude.
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Originally Posted by DanielGatli View Post
People, calm down, please. I didn't have any negative ideas. I meant I try using the line as frequently as I can. And I'm not going to kill anybody for doing the contrary.

Anger at cyclists who are riding in the lane legally is a "negative idea." Most of us on the thread have probably had to deal with various forms of harassment and assault from people with that "idea". Are we supposed to be grateful they didn't kill us?
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Old 09-29-22, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Just to clarify, I should have said NYC policy requires you "stay in the bike lane" unless it's blocked..
That's a joke. Coincidentally, I'm in NYC now and, near as I can tell, it is a total free for all - anybody on/in anything can be anywhere going any direction at any speed. My nephew is an orthopedic surgeon here and he texted me "Yeah it’s crazy. Watch out, so many injuries we see are from the bikes hitting pedestrians…Yeah traffic cops are on every block but you can break any rules you want on a bike or car and they’ll never intervene haha"

I also wonder at how "bike" is defined here. The vast majority are heavy electric affairs with pedals that are never pedaled. The pedals must be there just to get these motorcycles classified as bicycles? It may be the real world here but whatever statistics the mayor's office pumped out eleven years ago certainly have no relevance to almost any other place I've been, or even today's NYC itself with the majority of bikes now being electric.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Fellow driver here. Get over yourself, that's a really crappy attitude.
Ok, I apologize for my words; it was just an expression, not so serious as you all got it. Sorry* .
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Old 09-29-22, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DanielGatli View Post
Ok, I apologize for my words; it was just an expression, not so serious as you all got it. Sorry* .

I think you're missing the point, the "expression" was the least of the problems with what you said. No matter how you phrase it, I believe that the attitude that a bicyclist sharing the road with you is an "annoyance" is a major component of the hazards that cyclists face because that affects the way people drive around cyclists in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. I would hope you'd actually examine your attitude that makes you say such a thing rather than suggesting we're taking this too seriously. You bike, this is about your safety as well.
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Old 09-29-22, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by L134 View Post
That's a joke. Coincidentally, I'm in NYC now and, near as I can tell, it is a total free for all - anybody on/in anything can be anywhere going any direction at any speed. My nephew is an orthopedic surgeon here and he texted me "Yeah it’s crazy. Watch out, so many injuries we see are from the bikes hitting pedestrians…Yeah traffic cops are on every block but you can break any rules you want on a bike or car and they’ll never intervene haha"

I also wonder at how "bike" is defined here. The vast majority are heavy electric affairs with pedals that are never pedaled. The pedals must be there just to get these motorcycles classified as bicycles? It may be the real world here but whatever statistics the mayor's office pumped out eleven years ago certainly have no relevance to almost any other place I've been, or even today's NYC itself with the majority of bikes now being electric.

I have never ridden in NYC, but what you're saying is consistent with what a lot of people say about riding there in this era. I think that's a fair point about the statistics not reflecting the rise of the over-powered ebike.

I suspect if you broke down the comments that assert that bike lanes are universally good or bad, you'd find there's a remarkable consistency between posters from the same metropolitan area. Most people tend to look at this through the lens of their local conditions.
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Old 09-29-22, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Are we supposed to be grateful they didn't kill us?
I know you meant this qurmestion rhetorically, but many people (esp. in North America) unironically think this. A cyclist is trespassing on the road invented for automobiles and paid for exclusively by fuel taxes. If someone is so immature and incompetent he is riding a bike instead of driving everywhere, then it is to be expected he would risk his life being on the road. As a driver, they think, I have been benevolent and skilled. I had every right to hit this obstacle, but I chose not to, and my impeccable driving has allowed me to circumnavigate this moron gallivanting about on my motorway. The cyclist should be grateful. If the car never ran him over, he has nothing to complain about.

In reality, that is like me stalking a movie star, but saying she has no right to get a restraining order because I never physically attacked her. However, many motorists who do not ever ride bikes or exclusively ride as hobbyists on velodromes or wherever *do* think like that. You would think "this driver has a bike rack tied up to the back of the car or SUV" means you would get *some* sympathy, but it guarantees nothing. Plenty of bikeforums posters here fall into that category. On one thread a few years ago on the "end of car culture?" you have even seasoned bike tourers screeching that it is a human right to own a car, as if it is possible to furnish our planet with 8 billion F-150s. And that attitude is on here. It is even worse for non-cyclists.
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Old 09-29-22, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Gear_Admiral View Post
I know you meant this qurmestion rhetorically, but many people (esp. in North America) unironically think this. A cyclist is trespassing on the road invented for automobiles and paid for exclusively by fuel taxes. If someone is so immature and incompetent he is riding a bike instead of driving everywhere, then it is to be expected he would risk his life being on the road. As a driver, they think, I have been benevolent and skilled. I had every right to hit this obstacle, but I chose not to, and my impeccable driving has allowed me to circumnavigate this moron gallivanting about on my motorway. The cyclist should be grateful. If the car never ran him over, he has nothing to complain about.

In reality, that is like me stalking a movie star, but saying she has no right to get a restraining order because I never physically attacked her. However, many motorists who do not ever ride bikes or exclusively ride as hobbyists on velodromes or wherever *do* think like that. You would think "this driver has a bike rack tied up to the back of the car or SUV" means you would get *some* sympathy, but it guarantees nothing. Plenty of bikeforums posters here fall into that category. On one thread a few years ago on the "end of car culture?" you have even seasoned bike tourers screeching that it is a human right to own a car, as if it is possible to furnish our planet with 8 billion F-150s. And that attitude is on here. It is even worse for non-cyclists.
Gonna have to disagree with just about all of this.. While there are probably some people who think like that, I'd guess they are in the minority.

Most people are either absolutely clueless about the rules of the road, are distracted drivers and / or can't properly judge the speed the bike is moving at. A lot of times it's probably a combination of those 3 all rolled into one 'waiting for an accident' to happen scenario..
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Old 09-29-22, 10:45 AM
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One time I was riding in the bike lane when I came upon one of the many cars/trucks that momentarily park in it. I moved out into the actual lane to get around the obstacle, which caused the car behind to slow down slightly until I moved back into the bike lane. The driver yelled at me. Point being, you're going to get yelled at by entitled motorists no matter what you do. They haven't figured out that moving through the world in a 15x6 foot box will limit their movement considerably. If it's that much of a problem for them, they need to get a motorcycle.
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One time I was riding in the bike lane when I came upon one of the many cars/trucks that momentarily park in it. I moved out into the actual lane to get around the obstacle, which caused the car behind to slow down slightly until I moved back into the bike lane. The driver yelled at me. Point being, you're going to get yelled at by entitled motorists no matter what you do. They haven't figured out that moving through the world in a 15x6 foot box will limit their movement considerably. If it's that much of a problem for them, they need to get a motorcycle.
Haha. In those situations I sort of want drivers to honk. Then I simply point to the bike lane and they'll see I can't ride in it for the car that's in there forcing me to ride in front of them.
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Ha, most people? Most people expect cyclist to do something unpredictable. That's when they let you have it. Probably a good thing they don't trust us incase we make a mistake.
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Old 09-29-22, 07:26 PM
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It's crazy that cars get PO'd when bikes are forced out of the bike lane into the road because of a parked car! It ain't like we asked to leave the bike lane.........
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So on a cycling safety Amsterdam site, it states:
  • Avoid rush hour: between 08:00 and 09:00 or 17:00 and 18:00, there are thousands of bikes on the road, often resulting in big queues at junctions. If you don't need to be somewhere, wait until the rush calms down.

So I guess bike lanes are out of the question. Unless you don’t mind getting home by 24:00
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Point being, you're going to get yelled at by entitled motorists no matter what you do. They haven't figured out that moving through the world in a 15x6 foot box will limit their movement considerably. If it's that much of a problem for them, they need to get a motorcycle.
Yesterday, I did a 1 hour ride in rush hour that must have had the most polite motorists ever. Not even a close pass! Three of the times I had to move into the left turn lane, the vehicles slowed or stopped and let me cross in front of them. Once I was even stopped and content to let that wave of traffic pass before going, but the pick-up stopped and waved me over. At one intersection where the bike lane simply ends, the cars let me filter in without a complaint. Not a single honk the entire ride, and about 1/3 of the route has no bike lane, no shoulder, not an inch to spare.
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Long thread -

perhaps others have offered up similar answers, -- but i will say: It all depends on the condition and intended use of the "bike lanes"

If its a true bike lane i'll take it , but if it has morphed into a MUP with dogs, strollers, senior citizens doing some power walking - etc etc - i'll take the road (all those other users have a right to use that lane too )

If its basically a shoulder thats marked "bike lane" but is full of trash, glass, etc -- again, i'll take the road but have the space there as a bailout if i get buzzed

I do admit to being a bit more timid now as a chubby 51 y/o man , than i was as a fit USCF licensed racer just a few years back though. I take my mountain bike out a lot and as such , im more apt to hug the right side as i'm travelling at 10-12 mph now and not 20 mph
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Old 10-01-22, 12:15 PM
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What the hell this bus driver thinking. We talking inches here??

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I'm too scared of cars so will ride on sidewalk if I can.
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I'm too scared of cars so will ride on sidewalk if I can.
When there are bike lanes, you have choices.
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I'm too scared of cars so will ride on sidewalk if I can.
Around here riding on the sidewalk can get you a ticket. Depends on the police officer though. My friend got a ticket once for riding on a sidewalk where there were no people for many many blocks.

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I'm too scared of cars so will ride on sidewalk if I can.
I’m never comfortable riding on the road. A couple months ago here in TO, a police officer was handing out tickets to cyclists at a park running stop signs. Apparently the same police officer rolled through a stop sign at the park, striking a cyclist who was in the middle of the intersection. He apologized claiming the sun was in his eyes.
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Around here riding on the sidewalk can get you a ticket. Depends on the police officer though. My friend got a ticket once for riding on a sidewalk where there were no people for many many blocks.
maybe not in that area?
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Ok, I apologize for my words; it was just an expression, not so serious as you all got it. Sorry* .
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I'm too scared of cars so will ride on sidewalk if I can.
If I owned a trike I would be afraid too due to how low a trike is. Visibility of you by vehicles is paramount and even with a orange flag on a pole I would not be satisfied. Your chosen mode of transportation is best used on trails and sidewalks. I question the safety of people I see on recumbents and the like competing with vehicles.
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I'm too scared of cars so will ride on sidewalk if I can.
Hello, JadeVamp, I live in Ann Arbor as well. Can you talk about which roads frighten you?
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