Eric F 

I'm still trying to figure it out, beng. Are you willfully ignorant, trying to justify your own preferences/limitation, or just a troll?

WhyFi

Yes.

base2 

Here is a recreational rider on a 90 degree head tube, 90 degree seat tube angle bicycle. Look at her hip angle. Look how slow she is.





(I dunno, man. Just throwin' it out there.)

Mojo31

You're still the baddest old fart!

Just not one of the most obnoxious. 😜

livedarklions

You're insufficiently flatulent for the title.

livedarklions

I figured you had the "people who ride both" angle covered.

big john

With that chest parachute position she's going to become obese.

big john

Mrs John might disagree.

big john

My friend runs a C&V ride out of a local store once a month. He has 2 of the most beautiful no-expense-spared old steel Colnagos I've seen, along with some other old bikes. He also rotates through a bunch of new bikes including a Sarto and an Officine Mattio. He looks older in the pic than he actually is.

Yan 

Riding easier, faster, and further is more fun. If I only cared about exercise, I could chain a boulder behind my bike, ride from my back yard to my front yard, and call it a day. Exercise done. But how many times am I going to do that before saying, "this ******g sucks", and never touch my bike again?

Mojo31

Just got all this:




I’m sure I got suckered into it, but I sure am looking forward to installing it! I did confess to my wife that it won’t make my lardass any faster.

genejockey 

50/34? What, were there no REAL cranksets available?

Mojo31

There were, but I’m not a real cyclist. There was also a 30/11 cassette available. Just a poser it seems.

tomato coupe

Those dork discs are huge. And, why so many?

Mojo31

Because they break often.

Actually, They are for a new type of stoneware disc for a new brake system I’m about to patent.

base2 

Ceramic rotors...I bet they are real heat/fade resistant!

timtak

It still seems to me that I ride like I am in a time trial, or my rides are a form of time trial, against the clock, not drafting, often going as fast as I can (often because I want to get somewhere within a certain time, and often because I am comparing my ride with previous times). Describing my riders as a sort of time trial seems to me a communicative use of the phrase "time trial," but you are trying to insist that I only use that phrase, perhaps only think of that phrase in a different way. You seem to be attempting to police my use of the phrase "time trial".

When companies spend a lot of time money on innovation it is often the case that this results in an improvement in customer satisfaction. The relationship need not be linear, and I think beng1 feels that the relationship has become so exponential, or steep on cash side of the curve that innovations costing thousands lead to improvements that are almost worthless in terms of satisfaction. This is a point also made in comparison with Rolex watches, that both the watches and the bikes are better but not much better than a Casio or Schwin except in terms of bling.

My argument is a bit different in that I am saying that the cash spent on innovation is being spent towards a goal (UCI races and their riding style) not shared by many if not a majority of amateurs. In order to do this, in order for their to be a difference, there need to be similarities and comparison.

If I want to start a thread I will.

I joined this one, incidentally, particularly because I was interested in and generally agreed with beng1's point of view.

I did start a thread recently to which there were no replies, unfortunately.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...-c-1990-a.html

Mojo31

You laugh now. 😜

livedarklions

Jeez, can't imagine why. LOL

Where did I force you to refer to what you do as time trial? You used the phrase throughout, and your position is a bad parody of tt. You linked to a petition of the UCI you started. Your posts are obsessed with UCI riders. You obviously don't know anything about how solo riders who want to ride for more than an hour ride, and you have gone into illogical rants insisting that comfort on a bike is some sort of slow poison.

My hope is you get a big dose of no responses here.

I believe you are likely the only person on earth nutty enough to go on a road looking through prisms. Maybe focus more on trying not to kill yourself and less on trying to save whoever it is you delusionally think you're speaking to.

timtak

I can't say I am surprised.

You did not. You seem to prefer to use the word, or abbreviation, tt to refer to UCI time trials and recommend that I do also.

Mainly I agree other than
1) If you believe that "time trial" only refers to UCI trime trial then I understand how you would see my position as a parody but from my point of view, my position is my time trial position, rather than a parody of the UCI time trial position. (That said, currently my position is a parody of that of Jacques Anquetil and Eddie Merckx, and my position used to be a deliberate parody, or partial emulation, of the UCI time trial position when I forward offset my saddle and bars to place them roughly where the bull horns of a time trial bike are. )

2) I don't think I am being illogical. I think that "comfort" in general tends to be a bit of a slow poison, and recommend you cut the comfort. Take up your bike and follow Jacques Cobb.

I wish you success.

Hey, thanks for remembering that. I posted about prisms years ago, I think. I tend to find I get quite a lot of interlocutors here but I am sure you will feel free to ignore me in future.

Tim

Kapusta

The UCI permits the use of pneumatic tires.

Should we now refer to pneumatic tires as “UCI Tires”?

Because that is basically the logic you are using to label a typical time trial position as “UCI”.

koala logs

I saw a picture of your old setup. You may have over did the downward tilt . You don't need that big downward tilt unless your butt is sliding backward when pedaling. If not, it's only causing discomfort and not really making you make more power.

WhyFi

Timtak has no grounds for complaining about discussion or comparison to time trials, UCI or not - he's the one that introduced pro time trialing to the conversation, saying that pros rode setups like his when TTing.

beng1

You and a bunch of other guys should try discussing the topic on hand, instead of hijacking threads every day and switching the subject to me??? Maybe you all can find a room in a forum somewhere and start a specific thread on me instead of littering and hijacking this forum and every thread I comment in with negative personal comments??? It is a commentary on the moderation of this forum that they let you guys keep dumping this trash into this forum every day of the week. Personal attacks ARE against the forum rules, commenting on the subject at hand is not, and if a comment does not happen to align with your personal opinions, that is no excuse for YOU or anyone else to begin personal attacks, but that seems to be the norm for at least half the regular population here.

70sSanO

This is the actual topic at hand.

The true answer is that a typical bicycle consumer is better riding a new bike than a 44 year old steel bike with a 5 speed freewheel and friction shifters. Whether or not the new bike contains carbon has no impact.

Riding position, financial status, fitness level and all the other s#*t that has been posted is not relevant to the topic.

John