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Training Status??? (IV)

Old 09-03-15, 01:01 PM
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90mins z2 (161w) on zwift, legs felt good after feeling a bit blocked up during my z1/z2 effort yesterday (thanks TKP for the feedback on that!)

good luck to the GMSR folks, can't wait to read about results!
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Old 09-03-15, 02:32 PM
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openers for me as well. felt tight (not terribly surprising given I'm probably the most rested I've been since...may?) so I tried to go a little harder than normal (what's that saying...go harder when you feel bad?). top 20 would make me smile.
ugh. one of my coworkers (who sits next to me) has been coming into work sick the past few days. and suddenly i'm starting to get a tickle in my throat. really, really hope it's just in my head.
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Originally Posted by mike868y
ugh. one of my coworkers (who sits next to me) has been coming into work sick the past few days. and suddenly i'm starting to get a tickle in my throat. really, really hope it's just in my head.
I recommend giving your co-worker a big hug and sloppy wet kiss. If you do get sick, your immune system will be all the stronger for it. Unless you are in the middle of a stage race or something...
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Old 09-03-15, 06:44 PM
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Now I know summer is over. I had only enough daylight time to ride 10 miles.
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Old 09-03-15, 08:19 PM
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Lights. Toss on some lights and go out there. Make sure to double up so you don't get caught out there in pitch black.
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Old 09-03-15, 08:35 PM
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35 minutes easy on zwift. knee started acting up, i think it's ebcause of the skewer on the trainer. will get a new one. I have had ot take a couple days off and couple days easy because knee isn't happy. No Bueno... although I probably did need a bit of a rest after ramping for 3 weeks from nothing
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Old 09-03-15, 09:04 PM
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First solid ride in a while (and I was on Zwift). Felt motivated, worked hard, climbed off the bike super hot and fatigued.

Heh, downloaded the ride. 130w, 136bpm, 66rpm, 94 minutes. Apparently that's a solid ride for me.

1117w jump, 1015w for 15s, 965w for 20s (I jumped a few seconds before doing a 14s sprint). Other sprint, where I jumped late, was 1093w peak, 997w for 15s, 16s sprint.

Did the KOM, killed myself, 3:34 or something. KOM leaders are about 2 minutes faster than me. Drafted like mad on the flats/downhills, did the lap, and broke my previous PR of 51 minutes and got 39:49 or something. Leaders are doing 24 min or so.

To be fair the Fluid2 trainer was heating up something fierce. I was doing 300w up the hill and seeing 230-240w on Zwift. My power numbers above are off the SRM though, so that 130w for 94 minutes, that's real power, not Zwift.
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Old 09-03-15, 09:18 PM
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Not 3:34, 2:44. Still, the KOM leaders were 1:24 or something. I was 24th out of 39 on the leader board.
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Old 09-03-15, 10:02 PM
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Somehow managed to break 2 adjacent spokes on my rear wheel on the Airport Ride tonight. Curse you, Garden Highway!
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Somehow managed to break 2 adjacent spokes on my rear wheel on the Airport Ride tonight. Curse you, Garden Highway!
It's true, I saw it. Too much power, I say ... or that stretch going over the overpass to the airport.

Good ride tonight, smaller group allowed for more work and more opportunity to attack without being covered instantly. Also, when were the S turns paved? Kind of ruins that because half the battle is picking a clean line through there.
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Old 09-04-15, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by hack
It's true, I saw it. Too much power, I say ... or that stretch going over the overpass to the airport.

Good ride tonight, smaller group allowed for more work and more opportunity to attack without being covered instantly. Also, when were the S turns paved? Kind of ruins that because half the battle is picking a clean line through there.
Seriously. My main advantage was knowing where all the potholes were.
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Old 09-04-15, 08:21 AM
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Z1 commute. My legs are tired. Skills work planned this evening. Then serving myself a big plateful of hurt on Saturday and Sunday.
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I've been eating like crazy. Its weird when you eat 1200 calories for breakfast and feel hungry 2 hours later. Two pounds over my lowest weight but I'm in 4 belt loop territory which is uncharted.

The only bad thing about 3 day weekends is how to plan them. I can't hammer all 3 days, but I want to....
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Two VO2 efforts in an otherwise z1 1hr ride. Just keeping things moving in between two big rides.

The first one was at a much lower effort, and the legs felt stiff, and uncooperative. On the second one, I felt great, and surpirsed myself with the wattage I was able to maintain. Good stuff.
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Old 09-04-15, 10:07 AM
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First time posting here in a while. Sorry about that.

Doing a few crits post-XC MTB season (very good year for me). Got my Cat 2 points, finally, as I don't race road enough to get them in a hurry.

Cutting back the last few weeks to 8-10 hours from 10-20 (depending on the week). Feeling a LOT stronger in crits after refocusing on VO2 Max efforts and above (duh).

Did the "fat boy intervals" from the recipe sticky up top yesterday. Tacked on a set of 30" on/ 30" off at 120%+ FTP for the "on" parts. Good and trashed today. Stoked about the next couple of crits.

Realizing that even though w/kg @ FTP is my biggest asset, my 5' power and even 2-3' are pretty good too. From 1' down to a real sprint I'm still subpar for my category, but realizing that (and taking a flyer with 2 laps to go in the last crit) has netted me good results lately. I'll take a (virtually) guaranteed top-3 finish over sitting in for the field sprint any day. Finally figuring out (again, duh) that at 62-is kilos I'm going to have a tough go of any flat sprint finish - and I don't have to let it come to that.
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Old 09-04-15, 10:16 AM
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ugh 20min threshold test fail, i need to stop trying to do these indoors. got too hot, did 13min @ 270, stopped at 15min. yuck. in better conditions, i think I could have tested 260w.

after a little bit I decided to do an 8 minute effort to get another attempt in and not completely squander a day, set a 5min high of 292w, and 288 for the effort, so 90% of that is 259. So I'll try and train based on 260 ftp and see how it goes. Was training at 250 so yay I guess?
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So, I have an A- race next Sunday and an A++ race two weeks later which is also the last race of the season and state champs. My dilemma is how to structure the next 3 weeks, should I just go full on taper mode? seems to early for that and I would lose too much fitness before the last race. They are both somewhat similar races, 60 miles and lots of hills, up and down the whole time. Typical training week is 8 to 9.5 hours and 500 to 650 tss, coming off a few days rest now after having trained my legs into a constant state of soreness. I guess this is the kind of thing where having a coach can pay off.
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Originally Posted by Maltex
So, I have an A- race next Sunday and an A++ race two weeks later which is also the last race of the season and state champs. My dilemma is how to structure the next 3 weeks, should I just go full on taper mode? seems to early for that and I would lose too much fitness before the last race. They are both somewhat similar races, 60 miles and lots of hills, up and down the whole time. Typical training week is 8 to 9.5 hours and 500 to 650 tss, coming off a few days rest now after having trained my legs into a constant state of soreness. I guess this is the kind of thing where having a coach can pay off.
I had the same schedule as that earlier in the year and rested through but lost a ton of fitness. I'd train through the A- race and then do a normal taper. Learned a hard lesson that if you race a lot you can't taper for everyone.
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20 miles of tempo-ish riding.
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I have a 40KM Individual TT on September 27th (local race in Okinawa, Japan). I looked up last years times, and for the course and conditions that day, the winner was 1:06 and change. I went out 2 weeks ago at 218 pounds (yes, I'm a big ol guy) and did a 1:07:22 on the same course. I did that on a road bike with standard training wheels, so I am hopeful! I am at 209 today, trying for 200lbs by the race and I have a friend who is going to let me borrow an aero set of wheels for race day. If everything is the same as last year, I am hoping the race day adrenaline can get me into the 1:05 area.

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Ah the beauty of not having to worry about races and training and I can just got out and ride my bike for fun and do whatever I feel like! A couple guys are trying to convince me to do two crits coming up in 2 weeks or so, but I'm not committing to anything just yet. I like having the next 2 months of no structured training, but one November hits, it's time to get serious
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Originally Posted by furiousferret
I had the same schedule as that earlier in the year and rested through but lost a ton of fitness. I'd train through the A- race and then do a normal taper. Learned a hard lesson that if you race a lot you can't taper for everyone.
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Ah the beauty of not having to worry about races and training and I can just got out and ride my bike for fun and do whatever I feel like! A couple guys are trying to convince me to do two crits coming up in 2 weeks or so, but I'm not committing to anything just yet. I like having the next 2 months of no structured training, but one November hits, it's time to get serious
I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels like this. The Florida season to way too long to follow the training patterns/plans of everyone else in the country; our state RR championships aren't until Oct. 17-18. So much time to train, but I feel like my "offseason" will basically roll right into the next base phase of my training.
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2hrs yesterday afternoon (NP 206w 129TSS), 2hrs this morning (NP 201w 122 TSS)

although my threshold has improved slightly, it's definitely not a jump where I'd necessarily notice it in an overall sense. But I am noticing that maintaining momentum over rolling hills where I go to 350 or 400 a lot more easily. For example, I held 482w for 30sec where a few weeks ago I don't think I could have done that so easily.
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3H Z2 yesterday (144 TSS) yesterday and Fat Boy Intervals today (1.5H 98 TSS); would have tacked on more Z2 afterward today, but just felt cooked.
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About 4k of climbing in 33 miles, 160 TSS, 1272 kjs

Did a 20 minute test, best for the year but was flat and had to ride through an asthma attack. Felt like I probably could have squeezed out 10 more watts. Afterwards, felt light headed and just laid on the side of the road....

Went up a segment I never did, thought for sure I was at least top 25....but it was part of the Redlands Classic so I'm placed behind about 200 domestic pros...and a guy with a handlebar mustache named Hamish.
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