What do your eyes see? Minimum info from seller
10-23-21, 05:50 PM
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What do your eyes see? Minimum info from seller
NDS pic alert! Going to see this bike tomorrow. Little info from the seller but this just makes it more fun. It seems like it has first gen 105? Mavic rims. Frame looks good too!
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10-23-21, 05:58 PM
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Looks pretty good from here.
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10-23-21, 06:11 PM
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Shipmano 105? Cycles Galileo Dinge? Might be worth looking at for a few quid
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10-23-21, 06:34 PM
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That look more like 2nd generation Shimano New 105 (1987-1989) on a decent but mass production frame.
10-23-21, 06:50 PM
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10-23-21, 07:02 PM
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What do you look at on the frame when you try to estimate its value just with a picture? Honest question here. I looked at the lug work, I noticed the chrome, etc. Still doesn't tell me much!
10-23-21, 07:10 PM
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you're on a dedicated forum for C&V. People know tubing & manufacturers very well here. That bike in that condition is worth about 50-100$
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10-23-21, 07:21 PM
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Where I am $50-$100 gets you a beat up Walmart special or a Schwinn Collegiate -- not a real road bike like this. Sure, there are bargains to be had here and there everywhere, but if bikes like this are regularly $50-$100 in Belchertown perhaps i need to load up a U-haul's worth and flip them!
I'd say $300-$350 assuming ok tubing and all working parts is a good deal. YMMV>
10-23-21, 07:23 PM
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Of course I wasn't putting Tmar's opinion into question. I'm just curious to know what exactly he looks at. I own a lot of CV bikes myself and have restored a few as well over the years. But my knowledge has limits.
10-23-21, 07:48 PM
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In every case my question was not so much with the value as with the equipment there. Wanted to know it someone could confirm it was 105, if the saddle rang a bell, the brand, the tubing, etc. I'll go see the bike in person tomorrow and will decide there if it's worth what is asked, that's my call in the end. Just wanted to surf a bit on my own hype and ask members here to share their views!
10-23-21, 09:13 PM
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Looks like a good quality frame under all that dirt, grime and grease.
I do recognize the seatpost as a French JPR. A seatpost used on mostly mid level French sport/race bikes.
The headset could be a Stronglight B10 with the Delrin cups....
A drive side pic would have been helpful.....
I do recognize the seatpost as a French JPR. A seatpost used on mostly mid level French sport/race bikes.
The headset could be a Stronglight B10 with the Delrin cups....
A drive side pic would have been helpful.....
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10-24-21, 05:38 AM
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10-24-21, 05:45 AM
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Well, what I do: i look at the brand first, if it is a good and well-known one, i look closer if it's legit. Check the group set and components, if they match the vintage of the frame, they are saying a bit about the quality of the frame, because no one but a top group on a mid level frame and vice versa. Shop brands like this one rarely were top level, either.
10-24-21, 07:52 AM
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What I see is a decent bike with probable accelerated wear. So, quick test ride in order.
wheels have seen use- check for flat spots - trueness, uniform spoke tension.
the rear dropouts might be Campagnolo or Gipiemme, or Columbus even, all same basic supplier. Good.
check the chrome condition.
of course look for frame trauma up front.
but the overall looks promising.
the shot in seat stays are ok
Seatpost diameter will point a bit, this bike could have metric, French, it Columbus tubing
26.6 to 27.2 seatpost.
wheels have seen use- check for flat spots - trueness, uniform spoke tension.
the rear dropouts might be Campagnolo or Gipiemme, or Columbus even, all same basic supplier. Good.
check the chrome condition.
of course look for frame trauma up front.
but the overall looks promising.
the shot in seat stays are ok
Seatpost diameter will point a bit, this bike could have metric, French, it Columbus tubing
26.6 to 27.2 seatpost.
10-24-21, 07:55 AM
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I see an old midlevel bike that has been ridden hard and put back wet.
10-24-21, 08:50 AM
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It will definitely need a bit of love and I don't think I'll fully restore it (I mean, I won't repaint it), but I judged it nice enough to bring it home. Not high end, but a nice bike to ride. Very convenient ratio too for hills (39-26!). Chrome is almost perfect. Wheels are true. No sign of damage but wasn't cherished either by the PO.
10-24-21, 08:52 AM
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The mix of groupsets (two gens of 105 + Shimano 600) perhaps indicates that it was a generic frame built by the bike shop using what they had ready at hand.
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10-24-21, 11:17 AM
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It will definitely need a bit of love and I don't think I'll fully restore it (I mean, I won't repaint it), but I judged it nice enough to bring it home. Not high end, but a nice bike to ride. Very convenient ratio too for hills (39-26!). Chrome is almost perfect. Wheels are true. No sign of damage but wasn't cherished either by the PO.
10-24-21, 11:52 AM
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Value depends on the market your in. That would sell for $300 in Nova Scotia 'dans un instant', assuming it's straight with no major work to be done. Brake tracks look well worn.
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You're not the first to say this but I think when looking for bikes this age you need to find steals not...bikes that need this amount of cleaning up required. There are dozens of nicer bikes in greater Boston for around 300$ compared to this thing
10-24-21, 04:30 PM
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Well I wasn't looking for something to flip quickly, but just wanted to give life back to a bike which is a bit exotic (have not seen a lot of Belleri stems in my life I must say) and which has a bit more character than the thousands peugeots I see around. I have no doubt it'll sell well in my area. Of course had I been looking for a grail bike, story would have been different.
And if I don't go ahead with the project and can resell it at the same price without problem + I will have satisfied my curiosity.
And if I don't go ahead with the project and can resell it at the same price without problem + I will have satisfied my curiosity.
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10-24-21, 04:35 PM
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I'm not denying that's a great approach but our whole province has less than a million people in it while the Boston area has what, maybe 5 million? The number of quality vintage bikes that come up for sale here is minuscule compared to your market. Supply and demand dictates that the prices for the nice gems available here is very much inflated. Additionally, our economy here has been resource based and the culture has never embraced classic cycling to any great extent.
10-24-21, 05:19 PM
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That bike could very well be a slippery slope, and long slope at that. Not knocking the bike, but do realize that a few bucks for brake hoods, cables, possible corroded spoke nipples, bad brake pads, chain, bearings, tires…..you get it, and this is only beginning. If you decide you do like it by all means go for it, but only before making sure the seat post, quill stem and bottom bracket are not seized. If so walk!!!! No run away because these will be nightmarish problems and headaches.
Go-ahead and ask how I know.
just my $.02
Go-ahead and ask how I know.
just my $.02
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