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First post so please be lenient if I am overly ignorant or ask stupid questions...well here is my first one ! ;-)) So I have a pair of beautiful high flange record hubs which i would like to lace to a pair of Mavic Open Pros (36H) .Advice on spoke lengths ? and spoke recommendations ? (planning double butted...weight comes second to durability.) and indeed any advice which could be relevant or helpful would be much appreciated please.
First post so please be lenient if I am overly ignorant or ask stupid questions...well here is my first one ! ;-)) So I have a pair of beautiful high flange record hubs which i would like to lace to a pair of Mavic Open Pros (36H) .Advice on spoke lengths ? and spoke recommendations ? (planning double butted...weight comes second to durability.) and indeed any advice which could be relevant or helpful would be much appreciated please.
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Find an online spoke calculator and figure it out. I don't have your rims nor your hubs in front of me so I don't know ERD or hub dimensions. Shoot for 3 cross.
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Hi Everyone,
First post so please be lenient if I am overly ignorant or ask stupid questions...well here is my first one ! ;-)) So I have a pair of beautiful high flange record hubs which i would like to lace to a pair of Mavic Open Pros (36H) .Advice on spoke lengths ? and spoke recommendations ? (planning double butted...weight comes second to durability.) and indeed any advice which could be relevant or helpful would be much appreciated please.
First post so please be lenient if I am overly ignorant or ask stupid questions...well here is my first one ! ;-)) So I have a pair of beautiful high flange record hubs which i would like to lace to a pair of Mavic Open Pros (36H) .Advice on spoke lengths ? and spoke recommendations ? (planning double butted...weight comes second to durability.) and indeed any advice which could be relevant or helpful would be much appreciated please.
My preference for spokes to get maximum durability are DT Swiss Alpine III. They are butted with a thicker head which increases strength and durability.
Finally, for building, I prefer Ric Hjertberg’s method. It comes from an old series of articles in Bicycling magazine from 1986. The lacing and tensioning section are still relevant. A link to them is here.
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Back in the day I was told that Campy NR hubs were made for 15g (1.8mm) spoke elbows. While I agree that 15g spokes fit very well in the Campy hubs of that era I, and many others, have used 14g (2.0mm) spokes with only the slight added spoke bowing needing some "working out" (there's a recent thread on this). But I would want to test fit a 2.3mm spoke end in the actual hub before suggesting it's a best choice, for that hub.
BTW butted spokes generally weigh less then the same length of a straight gage spoke with the same elbow end diameter. The added spring like nature of a skinnier spoke central section means that LH side spokes will be less likely to completely loosen during stress cycles. Andy
BTW butted spokes generally weigh less then the same length of a straight gage spoke with the same elbow end diameter. The added spring like nature of a skinnier spoke central section means that LH side spokes will be less likely to completely loosen during stress cycles. Andy
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C stands for charme and X for exceptionale ? ;-)) Responses like yours are the reason I am hesitant to join forums. I didn't ask for you to do the job for me ! just advice as I am a novice at wheel building for example ERD ? not a clue. Next time you are feeling as they say in France "mal baise' "perhaps you could keep your 'advice' to yourself.My apologies if I misunderstood your 'English' ?
C stands for charme and X for exceptionale ? ;-)) Responses like yours are the reason I am hesitant to join forums. I didn't ask for you to do the job for me ! just advice as I am a novice at wheel building for example ERD ? not a clue. Next time you are feeling as they say in France "mal baise' "perhaps you could keep your 'advice' to yourself.My apologies if I misunderstood your 'English' ?
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brilliant many thanks for all the info and taking time to answer me. People like yourself are the reason I joined Bikeforums.I am set to get on with it ! :-)
brilliant many thanks for all the info and taking time to answer me. People like yourself are the reason I joined Bikeforums.I am set to get on with it ! :-)
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I would assume the hubs have already been laced into wheels. It's good practice to look at the hub flanges to see how they were laced up before, and follow that lacing with the new wheels. Doing otherwise can increase the risk of cracks: https://rayhosler.wordpress.com/2011...eath-of-a-hub/
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I've used the method in the Park article with success, but it helps to have some spokes and nipples with a known length on hand, plus the digital calipers. You could use analog calipers since the spoke lengths will be rounded to the next closest size, but the digital calipers will prove more useful if you 'fall down the rabbit hole'.
Lacing a 3x 36 hole wheel is covered very well by the late Saint Sheldon and John Allen here. I found the instructions instrumental in getting my first wheels built. That said, there is an art to building a long lasting wheel, which you'll pick up on with some more reading. I think most of those that build their own wheels agree that having spokes very close in tension will result in a long-lasting wheel that doesn't go out of true quickly. Some of us count the turns of the spoke wrench, some of us use the tone the spokes make when plucked (like a harp) and some of us use a spoke tension gauge.
Lacing a 3x 36 hole wheel is covered very well by the late Saint Sheldon and John Allen here. I found the instructions instrumental in getting my first wheels built. That said, there is an art to building a long lasting wheel, which you'll pick up on with some more reading. I think most of those that build their own wheels agree that having spokes very close in tension will result in a long-lasting wheel that doesn't go out of true quickly. Some of us count the turns of the spoke wrench, some of us use the tone the spokes make when plucked (like a harp) and some of us use a spoke tension gauge.
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C stands for charme and X for exceptionale ? ;-)) Responses like yours are the reason I am hesitant to join forums. I didn't ask for you to do the job for me ! just advice as I am a novice at wheel building for example ERD ? not a clue. Next time you are feeling as they say in France "mal baise' "perhaps you could keep your 'advice' to yourself.My apologies if I misunderstood your 'English' ?
C stands for charme and X for exceptionale ? ;-)) Responses like yours are the reason I am hesitant to join forums. I didn't ask for you to do the job for me ! just advice as I am a novice at wheel building for example ERD ? not a clue. Next time you are feeling as they say in France "mal baise' "perhaps you could keep your 'advice' to yourself.My apologies if I misunderstood your 'English' ?
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To High Wheeler: It helps to develop a thick skin and to learn how to ignore unhelpful individuals. If you like, there is even an “ignore” feature on the User Control Panel (click your avatar)
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C stands for charme and X for exceptionale ? ;-)) Responses like yours are the reason I am hesitant to join forums. I didn't ask for you to do the job for me ! just advice as I am a novice at wheel building for example ERD ? not a clue. Next time you are feeling as they say in France "mal baise' "perhaps you could keep your 'advice' to yourself.My apologies if I misunderstood your 'English' ?
C stands for charme and X for exceptionale ? ;-)) Responses like yours are the reason I am hesitant to join forums. I didn't ask for you to do the job for me ! just advice as I am a novice at wheel building for example ERD ? not a clue. Next time you are feeling as they say in France "mal baise' "perhaps you could keep your 'advice' to yourself.My apologies if I misunderstood your 'English' ?
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Based on what? A new member asking a fairly routine question about wheel building is not a “troll” post. It’s a simple question about a very unsimple topic.
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There are a few contributors here that ad a little snark along with advice. You really need to look through it and take out what you need. If this was my first attempt at wheel building I would read through a few googled articles and videos and then come here with more specific questions. My take on CX answer was that 3 cross on a 36 hole rim would be your preferred route. Good luck.
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Belch and fart i do a troll i am not ! Yes I will be less oversensitive.And thank you ALL for saving me from sifting through info on the net that i have no idea of its value and some useful pointers .I will come back to you with some photos when i have got some grease on my elbow.