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I went on a keto diet in August because I was concerned I might be pre-diabetic or something . . . cuts and insect bites on my shins were taking too long to heal. And I did love the sweets.

Anyway, in less than a month I dropped from 200 to 193 lbs. BillyD did not like the look, limbs too scrawny and the belly was unaffected at all. Since then I've been trying to put back the weight without the sweets, substituting muscle for fat, but I'm stuck on 195. Makes me wonder what big people eat to put on so much weight because it's a challenge for me meal plan wise.
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Mexican water always helps me lose weight, so you have that going for you.
None of those issues here. Purified water is the norm in these parts these days. I can't speak to the rest of the country.
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I went on a keto diet in August because I was concerned I might be pre-diabetic or something . . . cuts and insect bites on my shins were taking too long to heal. And I did love the sweets.

Anyway, in less than a month I dropped from 200 to 193 lbs. BillyD did not like the look, limbs too scrawny and the belly was unaffected at all. Since then I've been trying to put back the weight without the sweets, substituting muscle for fat, but I'm stuck on 195. Makes me wonder what big people eat to put on so much weight because it's a challenge for me meal plan wise.
Donuts. Fries. Trashcan sized Cokes. Double bacon cheeseburgers. Any of the recipes an especially large former classmate of mine posts on Facebook. The 4th and 5th slices of pizza.
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Seriously, though - I watched a couple of those documentaries on TLC about super obese people. One guy I remember who was >1000 lbs ate something like a pound of bacon and a dozen eggs for breakfast, plus a box of cinnamon rolls. He couldn't get out of bed, so somebody else, a family member, was cookignt hat for him.

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I went on a keto diet in August because I was concerned I might be pre-diabetic or something . . . cuts and insect bites on my shins were taking too long to heal. And I did love the sweets.

Anyway, in less than a month I dropped from 200 to 193 lbs. BillyD did not like the look, limbs too scrawny and the belly was unaffected at all. Since then I've been trying to put back the weight without the sweets, substituting muscle for fat, but I'm stuck on 195. Makes me wonder what big people eat to put on so much weight because it's a challenge for me meal plan wise.
Yeah, once the weight came off, it's happy to stay off. I need to figure out some baby steps to improve my apetite.
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It’s going to be 34F to start at tomorrow’s ride. I have to find my cold weather gloves.

Phooey. Still beats the trainer.
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I went on a keto diet in August because I was concerned I might be pre-diabetic or something . . . cuts and insect bites on my shins were taking too long to heal. And I did love the sweets.

Anyway, in less than a month I dropped from 200 to 193 lbs. BillyD did not like the look, limbs too scrawny and the belly was unaffected at all. Since then I've been trying to put back the weight without the sweets, substituting muscle for fat, but I'm stuck on 195. Makes me wonder what big people eat to put on so much weight because it's a challenge for me meal plan wise.
I mean, your answer is in your post. Carbs are calorie rich - it doesn't even need to be sweets, most starches will do. Going on a keto diet is rather extreme, and cuts out a lot of problematic foods, so you shouldn't be surprised with your results.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
Seriously, though - I watched a couple of those documentaries on TLC about super obese people. One guy I remember who was >1000 lbs ate something like a pound of bacon and a dozen eggs for breakfast, plus a box of cinnamon rolls. He couldn't get out of bed, so somebody else, a family member, was cookignt hat for him.

It was horrific.
I recently became aware of the existence of the mukbang genre. It sounds very NSFW, but it's gluttonous eating on-camera] Like... ew. People watch this **** for entertainment?

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My weight has crept up a bit more than I'd like recently. my diet is ok (possibly). not great, not terrible either. my portion control is probably a little off. It's the snacks, and the alcohol that are doing it. I need to cut back on the chocolate and sweets. sugar is the debil. a tasty, tasty, addictive debil. Oh and I need to exercise more as well. #gettingfat
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Our cable tv company suggested I turn on parental controls after my wife accidentally ordered two pornos in rapid succession.
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We bring a certain synergy and bandwidth to the table with our solution so we both enjoy a win-win at the end of the day as long as you get your ducks in a row and don't move the goalpost.

WTF does that type of thing mean?
Don't know but maybe you were "thinking out of the box". <grrr>
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Don't know but maybe you were "thinking out of the box". <grrr>
We had a cat who thought outside the box.
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I went on a keto diet in August because I was concerned I might be pre-diabetic or something . . . cuts and insect bites on my shins were taking too long to heal. And I did love the sweets.

Anyway, in less than a month I dropped from 200 to 193 lbs. BillyD did not like the look, limbs too scrawny and the belly was unaffected at all. Since then I've been trying to put back the weight without the sweets, substituting muscle for fat, but I'm stuck on 195. Makes me wonder what big people eat to put on so much weight because it's a challenge for me meal plan wise.
Maintaining positive nitrogen balance is a tremendous challenge in old age, especially for very active people. I figure my protein requirement is on the order of 120-130 g/day for a 65 kg shrimp and it’s hard to get that in. Before I figured that out, I thought I was eating enough protein and couldn’t figure out why my arms were shrinking away.
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Yep. We used to have cats and have several cat box stories.
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My weight has crept up a bit more than I'd like recently. my diet is ok (possibly). not great, not terrible either. my portion control is probably a little off. It's the snacks, and the alcohol that are doing it. I need to cut back on the chocolate and sweets. sugar is the debil. a tasty, tasty, addictive debil. Oh and I need to exercise more as well. #gettingfat
I'm on my feet all day, am generally eating less for breakfast and lunch than I did working a desk job, and have time to do some decent riding 3 days/week.

But my shop has a bar with 6 beers on tap...
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Seriously, though - I watched a couple of those documentaries on TLC about super obese people. One guy I remember who was >1000 lbs ate something like a pound of bacon and a dozen eggs for breakfast, plus a box of cinnamon rolls. He couldn't get out of bed, so somebody else, a family member, was cookignt hat for him.

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Tomorrow begins a new season of "My 600 Pound Life". If you've never seen it each show features a person who is trying to get weight loss surgery from a doctor in Houston who is one of the only surgeons in the country who will accept such patients (over 600 pounds). They do show a bit of gorging in the first part of the show but the main point of the show is the patients have to prove their commitment and lose some weight and get healthy enough to survive gastric surgery.

Some of the shows are pretty good and I find myself rooting for the patient and it's good to see them succeed and get a normal life back. They usually follow each person for a year, sometimes longer. It's amazing to see someone lose 500 pounds and, of course, skin removal surgery.
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My cat thinks about shoes, mostly mtb shoes.
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Our cable tv company suggested I turn on parental controls after my wife accidentally ordered two pornos in rapid succession.
Accidentally?

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I mean, your answer is in your post. Carbs are calorie rich - it doesn't even need to be sweets, most starches will do. Going on a keto diet is rather extreme, and cuts out a lot of problematic foods, so you shouldn't be surprised with your results.
That was my objective, I'm totally aware of what carbs can do. Unburned carbs turn to the debil, sugar. I'm sure you've heard me skewer bread consumption here in the past. It's just that now that I've returned to a "normal" diet, sans desserts and salty snacks, I'm wondering what it will take to put some weight back on.

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]Maintaining positive nitrogen balance is a tremendous challenge in old age, especially for very active people. I figure my protein requirement is on the order of 120-130 g/day for a 65 kg shrimp and it’s hard to get that in. Before I figured that out, I thought I was eating enough protein and couldn’t figure out why my arms were shrinking away.
I guesstimated my protein needs to be 145g daily and the total calorie requirement to be 2,600. Even with a post-workout protein smoothie added to my day it's hard to get near the 145g mark. And forget about the 2,600 calories, the only time I even topped 2,000 calories was with a Wendy's chicken sandwich and small fries dinner one day. Most days I'm totaling somewhere between 1,300 and 1,700 calories.

So what's this about nitrogen balance? [/b]
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That was my objective, I'm totally aware of what carbs can do. Unburned carbs turn to the debil, sugar. I'm sure you've heard me skewer bread consumption here in the past. It's just that now that I've returned to a "normal" diet, sans desserts and salty snacks, I'm wondering what it will take to put some weight back on.


I guesstimated my protein needs to be 145g daily and the total calorie requirement to be 2,600. Even with a post-workout protein smoothie added to my day it's hard to get near the 145g mark. And forget about the 2,600 calories, the only time I even topped 2,000 calories was with a Wendy's chicken sandwich and small fries dinner one day. Most days I'm totaling somewhere between 1,300 and 1,700 calories.

So what's this about nitrogen balance?
It is very hard, but all the more important for anyone calorie restricting or leaving a lot of kcals on the road. Your body is going to go somewhere for energy and, if I remember my facts correctly, it will break down muscle before fat. The only way to protect it is to get all the required protein and do some resistance training. Nitrogen balance refers to the balance of amino acids taken in and stored as protein vs broken down and peed out as urea.
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It's a possibility.
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That was my objective, I'm totally aware of what carbs can do. Unburned carbs turn to the debil, sugar. I'm sure you've heard me skewer bread consumption here in the past. It's just that now that I've returned to a "normal" diet, sans desserts and salty snacks, I'm wondering what it will take to put some weight back on.


I guesstimated my protein needs to be 145g daily and the total calorie requirement to be 2,600. Even with a post-workout protein smoothie added to my day it's hard to get near the 145g mark. And forget about the 2,600 calories, the only time I even topped 2,000 calories was with a Wendy's chicken sandwich and small fries dinner one day. Most days I'm totaling somewhere between 1,300 and 1,700 calories.

So what's this about nitrogen balance?
Buy Impact Whey Protein Isolate | MYPROTEIN™ Getcha some of that. I approach 175-200 grams daily. Your nitrogen balance will improve with protein intake. Simply put, and MoAlpha can dial that statement in properly.
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