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Old 11-21-21, 04:43 PM
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Now that winter is here, I have my annual frustration of cold fingers. Before I post in “Winter Cycling,” let’s see what the Addiction brain trust says.

My quest is for gloves that will keep my fingers warm when temps go well below freezing and remain so for the whole ride (say 3-4 hours). I have tried several cold weather gloves, including last year’s purchase of pricey Castelli Estremo gloves. They are fine for temps above freezing. They are ok for a ride that starts a few degrees below freezing (say 25+) if the temps will rise to above freezing within an hour or so. However, every glove I have tried for hours in subfreezing temps leaves me with painful and/or numb fingers within an hour into the ride.

I have tried adding glove liners to the gloves, which at these temps sadly don’t do much. I have tried those chemical hand warmers, which keep my hands warm (not a problem anyway) but fingers are still too cold/numb/painful.

So far the only solution is to use mittens with thin glove liners (and chemical warner if extreme cold). This works, but the dexterity for shifting and braking are compromised more than I like.

I know about pogies, which I expect do work, but the compromise is you are limited to one hand position (hoods).

I have NOT tried lobster claw gloves, but am considering. Ditto electric “heated gloves.”

tl;dr Any ideas on how to best keep fingers warm on subfreezing rides while maintaining digital dexterity??
I will put these up so everyone can ignore it yet again. These things are life savers. I wear plain old Head gloves under the overmitts, and they're good to low 20's. Dexterity doesn't suffer much at all.

Amazon.com: Head: Multi-Sport Gloves with SensaTEC, Black, Large : Tools & Home Improvement

Toko Cycling Overmitt | Toko US

Everything on the Toko site looks good, but I haven't needed a reason to go with anything else.
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Nice day for a ride today, but MAN OH MAN! was it COLD along the creek! It was low 50s when I left the house, so I had a long sleeve jersey and base layer, vest, bibs and knee warmers and I was fine, till I got to the road along the creek. According to my Garmin it was 45, which I can readily believe. I ended up curling my fingers into my palms as I rode, since I usually don't go for full finger gloves till it's below 50. Brrrrrrrrrr!!

Of course, later I was sweating, so off came the vest. I think the temp range was 45-70 degrees.

I often don't know why I choose a particular bike on a particular day, but today it was Mrs. Peel's turn. As mehitabel the cat would say, "theres a dance or two in the old dame yet". I didn't throw down any 1000W sprints, but I didn't treat her like she's fragile either.
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This tunnel was supposed to be one of three creating a rail line linking Anderson SC and Knoxville. They only got about 1/4 way through before funding ran out (and then the Civil War started).




There is also a really lovely set of MTB trails here.
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What do you do with those things?
Really. I hardly ever use a shovel to move snow.
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Old 11-21-21, 05:48 PM
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One of my cycling friends has a house on Mallorca. One of these years I want to go and do the 312.

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^^ I am a hoarder and have a half dozen Ultegra chains. But 10 speed, so not such a hot commodity.
I also have 6 Shimano Ultegra chains on the shelves. I bought them after a shop told me in August that they were hoarding them for repairs along with other key parts. I think I payed about half what they are going for now.
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We spent a week Cycling in Mallorca in 2001. It was cycling heaven. My wife bawled the day that we flew home. She didn't want to leave. Seriously.

Some familiar town names in the video.
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Originally Posted by LAJ View Post
I will put these up so everyone can ignore it yet again. These things are life savers. I wear plain old Head gloves under the overmitts, and they're good to low 20's. Dexterity doesn't suffer much at all.

Amazon.com: Head: Multi-Sport Gloves with SensaTEC, Black, Large : Tools & Home Improvement

Toko Cycling Overmitt | Toko US

Everything on the Toko site looks good, but I haven't needed a reason to go with anything else.
Thanks. Will consider. Also watching YouTube videos about electric hearted gloves. Seems they are an option but $$$$$.
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Originally Posted by datlas View Post
Now that winter is here, I have my annual frustration of cold fingers. Before I post in “Winter Cycling,” let’s see what the Addiction brain trust says.

My quest is for gloves that will keep my fingers warm when temps go well below freezing and remain so for the whole ride (say 3-4 hours). I have tried several cold weather gloves, including last year’s purchase of pricey Castelli Estremo gloves. They are fine for temps above freezing. They are ok for a ride that starts a few degrees below freezing (say 25+) if the temps will rise to above freezing within an hour or so. However, every glove I have tried for hours in subfreezing temps leaves me with painful and/or numb fingers within an hour into the ride.

I have tried adding glove liners to the gloves, which at these temps sadly don’t do much. I have tried those chemical hand warmers, which keep my hands warm (not a problem anyway) but fingers are still too cold/numb/painful.

So far the only solution is to use mittens with thin glove liners (and chemical warner if extreme cold). This works, but the dexterity for shifting and braking are compromised more than I like.

I know about pogies, which I expect do work, but the compromise is you are limited to one hand position (hoods).

I have NOT tried lobster claw gloves, but am considering. Ditto electric “heated gloves.”

tl;dr Any ideas on how to best keep fingers warm on subfreezing rides while maintaining digital dexterity??
I'm going to try some lobster claws this year. Previously, I just used Gore-Tex snow gloves on really cold days.
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Old 11-21-21, 06:14 PM
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Frozen fingers or a few ducats? Easy choice to me since you will use the snot out of the gloves.

I have the opposite problem. My long fingered gloves are too hot except on our coldest days. I needed something not so warm and more breathable.
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Originally Posted by datlas View Post
Now that winter is here, I have my annual frustration of cold fingers. Before I post in “Winter Cycling,” let’s see what the Addiction brain trust says.

My quest is for gloves that will keep my fingers warm when temps go well below freezing and remain so for the whole ride (say 3-4 hours). I have tried several cold weather gloves, including last year’s purchase of pricey Castelli Estremo gloves. They are fine for temps above freezing. They are ok for a ride that starts a few degrees below freezing (say 25+) if the temps will rise to above freezing within an hour or so. However, every glove I have tried for hours in subfreezing temps leaves me with painful and/or numb fingers within an hour into the ride.

I have tried adding glove liners to the gloves, which at these temps sadly don’t do much. I have tried those chemical hand warmers, which keep my hands warm (not a problem anyway) but fingers are still too cold/numb/painful.

So far the only solution is to use mittens with thin glove liners (and chemical warner if extreme cold). This works, but the dexterity for shifting and braking are compromised more than I like.

I know about pogies, which I expect do work, but the compromise is you are limited to one hand position (hoods).

I have NOT tried lobster claw gloves, but am considering. Ditto electric “heated gloves.”

tl;dr Any ideas on how to best keep fingers warm on subfreezing rides while maintaining digital dexterity??
no ideas, but perhaps consider this old addage: cold hands warm heart.
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That's how you do what?
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That's how you do what?
I'll let Herm explain it.
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This tunnel was supposed to be one of three creating a rail line linking Anderson SC and Knoxville. They only got about 1/4 way through before funding ran out (and then the Civil War started).
This is some quality history.

Can you imagine working in a long tunnel in the 1850s? Yikes.
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^^ I am a hoarder and have a half dozen Ultegra chains. But 10 speed, so not such a hot commodity.
I'll take them.
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I rode slightly faster on Gatorskins today, than I did on Open Paves two weeks ago, over the same course. In two weeks i plan to try Ultrasport II.
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I think the term you kids use nowadays is mic drop.
Is that bench a tribute to Pcad RIP?
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my pearl izumi gloves never did me wrong last winter. I forgot what they are. cyclone maybe.

Coldest day was 15 degrees.

I think this year the issue is going to be keeping my knee warm. I guess on my left leg I will wear a knee warmer under my tights.


Got on the bike today. I felt fresh and knee wasn’t feeling off. I was maintaining about 20 mph without much effort. I got passed by a small group going 25 so decided to stay with them. Hung on for about 8 mins and then my knee started to burn so I fell off.

Now i’m wondering if it was the icy hot that I was feeling.

I wanted to ride outside but was concerned it would start hurting when I was far away and have to ride all the way back.
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I'll take them.

I don’t think he was offering.
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Is that bench a tribute to Pcad RIP?
it was taken on 12/26/2017 and was in the style of the bench "motif". I believe that was a couple years before his terrible accident.
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Can you imagine working in a long tunnel in the 1850s? Yikes.
I believe that one of the information kiosks said that at best they were able to dig 200' per month.

With black powder and picks
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^^ I am a hoarder and have a half dozen Ultegra chains. But 10 speed, so not such a hot commodity.
I’ve got two 11s and I’m trying a possibly counterfeit KMC on the commuter/gravelator this week so I can save them for the road bike.
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This is some quality history.

Can you imagine working in a long tunnel in the 1850s? Yikes.
Better digging that thing than sandhogging in a pressurized caisson under a big-ass river. I find all of this stuff fascinating and heroic.
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I’m sold.

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Really. I hardly ever use a shovel to move snow.
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Now that winter is here, I have my annual frustration of cold fingers. Before I post in “Winter Cycling,” let’s see what the Addiction brain trust says.

My quest is for gloves that will keep my fingers warm when temps go well below freezing and remain so for the whole ride (say 3-4 hours). I have tried several cold weather gloves, including last year’s purchase of pricey Castelli Estremo gloves. They are fine for temps above freezing. They are ok for a ride that starts a few degrees below freezing (say 25+) if the temps will rise to above freezing within an hour or so. However, every glove I have tried for hours in subfreezing temps leaves me with painful and/or numb fingers within an hour into the ride.

I have tried adding glove liners to the gloves, which at these temps sadly don’t do much. I have tried those chemical hand warmers, which keep my hands warm (not a problem anyway) but fingers are still too cold/numb/painful.

So far the only solution is to use mittens with thin glove liners (and chemical warner if extreme cold). This works, but the dexterity for shifting and braking are compromised more than I like.

I know about pogies, which I expect do work, but the compromise is you are limited to one hand position (hoods).

I have NOT tried lobster claw gloves, but am considering. Ditto electric “heated gloves.”

Any ideas on how to best keep fingers warm on subfreezing rides while maintaining digital dexterity??
I have some leather mittens. They are goose down filled, and the inner lining is ripstop nylon, once in a while I have to patch them, I got them in the late 1960s. Used on motorcycles, snow mobiles and skiing at the time. I can shift my DA levers, my 105 levers My XT rapid fire levers etc. Forget about shifting fast in the low 20s F, I use my index finger carefully to shift on the road levers when I point there is a little give in the mittens to make a point. Ski gloves above freezing, and lighter for warmer.

Also......
warm your fingers by spining your arm like a windmill, and force the blood to your hands.
Warm your hands by working harder. one can change your temperature of anything by working harder or easier it works for me.
This is probaly the most important thing to regulate temperature. Fingers co[d ?? /do a full effort sprint. If you need to take ;off your gloves, put them under your jacket, or put the open ends tucked into each other so the air can not get in. I have more but I am too tired now.

My mommy sewed my name in my mittens. !!!!!
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