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Old 05-24-23, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric F
That said, you mentioned crosswalks multiple times. Why so much focus on what the crosswalk signal is indicating? We (bike riders) are vehicles, not pedestrians. Our movement is governed by traffic signals, same as it is for cars.
So if you're driving and have a red light and a car at the intersection with a green light is waving you on, you go? I don't think so. And veganbikes sorry to hear about your unfortunate recent life experiences...
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I'm still trying to understand how a cyclist can stop a car with a green light.

Is there some sort of portable Green Light available -- perhaps with one of those helmet-mount thingies -- that one can point toward a car, disabling its motor or applying the brakes to it?
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Originally Posted by Eric F
It seems that the only person in this thread getting twisted about responses is you.

That said, you mentioned crosswalks multiple times. Why so much focus on what the crosswalk signal is indicating? We (bike riders) are vehicles, not pedestrians. Our movement is governed by traffic signals, same as it is for cars.

Good point, I don't get the whole shift here at all. The presence or absence of crosswalks at the signaled intersection is completely irrelevant as to whether you as a cyclist should accept the courtesy wave through.

Also, this thread was supposedly about cyclists stopping cars who had the green light, but what to do when the driver stops the car when they have the green light is an entirely different question.
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Originally Posted by rc5781
So if you're driving and have a red light and a car at the intersection with a green light is waving you on, you go? I don't think so.
You don't think so, and you can't accept "sometimes yes" as a response without blathering on insultingly about imaginary consequences. Then you tell people to "lighten up" because they don't like being responded to in an insulting manner. Cycle and repeat.
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Originally Posted by badger1
I'm still trying to understand how a cyclist can stop a car with a green light.
It involves dilithium crystals.
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Originally Posted by rc5781
So if you're driving and have a red light and a car at the intersection with a green light is waving you on, you go? I don't think so.
This ^^^ has NOTHING to do with the question I asked you. I made no mention of what I would do in any situation. You have zero information from which to make an assumption about my decision.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
You don't think so, and you can't accept "sometimes yes" as a response without blathering on insultingly about imaginary consequences. Then you tell people to "lighten up" because they don't like being responded to in an insulting manner. Cycle and repeat.
Yes, I can't accept "sometimes yes" for a car or vehicle with a red light, riding through that red light when there are cars and vehicles with a green light at the same intersection. Unless an accident has just occurred, etc.
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Originally Posted by rc5781
Yes, I can't accept "sometimes yes" for a car or vehicle with a red light, riding through that red light when there are cars and vehicles with a green light at the same intersection. Unless an accident has just occurred, etc.

People disagree with you. Deal with it.

If there is literally only one other vehicle at or near the intersection, and the driver is waving me through, I'm going and I don't care if you accept it.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
People disagree with you. Deal with it.

If there is literally only one other vehicle at or near the intersection, and the driver is waving me through, I'm going and I don't care if you accept it.
At least we have finally drawn the line exactly where we disagree. I am very confident in my view.
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Originally Posted by rc5781
At least we have finally drawn the line exactly where we disagree..

This is the line I and several other posters have drawn repeatedly. Did it really take you this long to understand that?

There is no correlation between confidence and correctness, btw.
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It's hard to see how OP can truly be as dumb and obtuse as he appears. I'm smelling a sock, time for our masters to run the IP checks and whatever they do (or should be doing.)
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
It's hard to see how OP can truly be as dumb and obtuse as he appears. I'm smelling a sock, time for our masters to run the IP checks and whatever they do (or should be doing.)
Ohh gawd, you again...
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Originally Posted by rc5781
Ohh gawd, you again...
Many people are saying that.
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Originally Posted by rc5781
At least we have finally drawn the line exactly where we disagree. I am very confident in my view.
Unwarranted confidence in one's opinions is not at all uncommon.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
It's hard to see how OP can truly be as dumb and obtuse as he appears. I'm smelling a sock, time for our masters to run the IP checks and whatever they do (or should be doing.)
Attack after attack. You haven't even addressed ANYTHING this thread is about. You've just followed me and bad-mouthed me.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Good point, I don't get the whole shift here at all. The presence or absence of crosswalks at the signaled intersection is completely irrelevant as to whether you as a cyclist should accept the courtesy wave through.
Right. If the traffic signal in my direction of travel is red, I am required to stop at the light, regardless of whether the crosswalk signal in the same direction says "WALK" or "DON'T WALK". There are multiple intersections in my area where traffic signals and crosswalk signals are not always coordinated. That said, not everyone follows all of the rules all of the time.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Right. If the traffic signal in my direction of travel is red, I am required to stop at the light, regardless of whether the crosswalk signal in the same direction says "WALK" or "DON'T WALK". There are multiple intersections in my area where traffic signals and crosswalk signals are not always coordinated.
I agree with this portion of your post.
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Originally Posted by rc5781
I agree with this portion of your post.
That's not what you said before...
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I just wait for the crosswalk to turn green....
...along with multiple other mentions of crosswalks and crosswalk signals.

Crosswalk signals are for pedestrians. Bikes are vehicles, and are governed by traffic signals.
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Originally Posted by rc5781
Attack after attack. You haven't even addressed ANYTHING this thread is about. You've just followed me and bad-mouthed me.
Well, I can repeat that riding on the sidewalk is stupid. Did you really need to hear that again? FWIW, you've been "attacked" plenty in this thread and all your others, though it might be more accurately described as "correcting." I've had relatively little to do with it. You seem to have picked some random activity (cycling) and just started posting nonsense. Do you even have a bike?
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Bikes are vehicles, and are governed by traffic signals.
In my area this is only true if you are on a "highway", a place meant for cars and at a speed limit of 35mph or more. That's when a bicycle is considered a "vehicle". Most of the scenarios I have been referring to is when I'm on a bike trail, at a crosswalk attempting to cross a street with cars. Bikes are not considered "vehicles" in this scenario.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
Well, I can repeat that riding on the sidewalk is stupid. Did you really need to hear that again? FWIW, you've been "attacked" plenty in this thread and all your others, though it might be more accurately described as "correcting." I've had relatively little to do with it. You seem to have picked some random activity (cycling) and just started posting nonsense. Do you even have a bike?
Stop spamming threads...
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Originally Posted by rc5781
In my area this is only true if you are on a "highway", a place meant for cars and at a speed limit of 35mph or more. That's when a bicycle is considered a "vehicle". Most of the scenarios I have been referring to is when I'm on a bike trail, at a crosswalk attempting to cross a street with cars. Bikes are not considered "vehicles" in this scenario.
This sounds like complete hogwash. I'll buy you a 6 pack if can provide a link to any ordinance that supports this. Edit- post #79 shows this is only partially hogwash. Eric is due a beer for his sleuthing.


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This sounds like complete hogwash. I'll buy you a 6 pack if can provide a link to any ordinance that supports this.

You're not worth the legwork. I'm in VA, find it yourself. I'm just buying time until my ride...
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Originally Posted by rc5781
In my area this is only true if you are on a "highway", a place meant for cars and at a speed limit of 35mph or more. That's when a bicycle is considered a "vehicle". Most of the scenarios I have been referring to is when I'm on a bike trail, at a crosswalk attempting to cross a street with cars. Bikes are not considered "vehicles" in this scenario.
Where is your area?

In CA, bicycles being operated on a roadway are considered vehicles, and are subject to the same rules of the road as cars. Bicycles also have (almost) all the same rights to the road, as well. Many of the problems I see in negative interactions between cars and bikes are directly related to either the cyclist or the driver (or both) being ignorant of the rules regarding operation of a bike on the road. For bike riders, it's often blurring the lines between vehicle and pedestrian, assuming right-of-way in conditions they should not. For drivers, it's often not understanding that bicycles have the same rights they do.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Where is you area?

In CA, bicycles being operated on a roadway are considered vehicles, and are subject to the same rules of the road as cars. Bicycles also have (almost) all the same rights to the road, as well. Many of the problems I see in negative interactions between cars and bikes are directly related to either the cyclist or the driver (or both) being ignorant of the rules regarding operation of a bike on the road. For bike riders, it's often blurring the lines between vehicle and pedestrian, assuming right-of-way in conditions they should not. For drivers, it's often not understanding that bicycles have the same rights they do.
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