View Poll Results: If a car has a green light should you cross in front of them, even if waved to go?
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I HATE when cyclists stop cars with a green light
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I'm still trying to understand how a cyclist can stop a car with a green light.
Is there some sort of portable Green Light available -- perhaps with one of those helmet-mount thingies -- that one can point toward a car, disabling its motor or applying the brakes to it?
Is there some sort of portable Green Light available -- perhaps with one of those helmet-mount thingies -- that one can point toward a car, disabling its motor or applying the brakes to it?
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It seems that the only person in this thread getting twisted about responses is you.
That said, you mentioned crosswalks multiple times. Why so much focus on what the crosswalk signal is indicating? We (bike riders) are vehicles, not pedestrians. Our movement is governed by traffic signals, same as it is for cars.
That said, you mentioned crosswalks multiple times. Why so much focus on what the crosswalk signal is indicating? We (bike riders) are vehicles, not pedestrians. Our movement is governed by traffic signals, same as it is for cars.
Good point, I don't get the whole shift here at all. The presence or absence of crosswalks at the signaled intersection is completely irrelevant as to whether you as a cyclist should accept the courtesy wave through.
Also, this thread was supposedly about cyclists stopping cars who had the green light, but what to do when the driver stops the car when they have the green light is an entirely different question.
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You don't think so, and you can't accept "sometimes yes" as a response without blathering on insultingly about imaginary consequences. Then you tell people to "lighten up" because they don't like being responded to in an insulting manner. Cycle and repeat.
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This ^^^ has NOTHING to do with the question I asked you. I made no mention of what I would do in any situation. You have zero information from which to make an assumption about my decision.
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Yes, I can't accept "sometimes yes" for a car or vehicle with a red light, riding through that red light when there are cars and vehicles with a green light at the same intersection. Unless an accident has just occurred, etc.
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People disagree with you. Deal with it.
If there is literally only one other vehicle at or near the intersection, and the driver is waving me through, I'm going and I don't care if you accept it.
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At least we have finally drawn the line exactly where we disagree. I am very confident in my view.
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It's hard to see how OP can truly be as dumb and obtuse as he appears. I'm smelling a sock, time for our masters to run the IP checks and whatever they do (or should be doing.)
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Attack after attack. You haven't even addressed ANYTHING this thread is about. You've just followed me and bad-mouthed me.
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Right. If the traffic signal in my direction of travel is red, I am required to stop at the light, regardless of whether the crosswalk signal in the same direction says "WALK" or "DON'T WALK". There are multiple intersections in my area where traffic signals and crosswalk signals are not always coordinated. That said, not everyone follows all of the rules all of the time.
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Right. If the traffic signal in my direction of travel is red, I am required to stop at the light, regardless of whether the crosswalk signal in the same direction says "WALK" or "DON'T WALK". There are multiple intersections in my area where traffic signals and crosswalk signals are not always coordinated.
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That's not what you said before...
...along with multiple other mentions of crosswalks and crosswalk signals.
Crosswalk signals are for pedestrians. Bikes are vehicles, and are governed by traffic signals.
...along with multiple other mentions of crosswalks and crosswalk signals.
Crosswalk signals are for pedestrians. Bikes are vehicles, and are governed by traffic signals.
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Well, I can repeat that riding on the sidewalk is stupid. Did you really need to hear that again? FWIW, you've been "attacked" plenty in this thread and all your others, though it might be more accurately described as "correcting." I've had relatively little to do with it. You seem to have picked some random activity (cycling) and just started posting nonsense. Do you even have a bike?
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In my area this is only true if you are on a "highway", a place meant for cars and at a speed limit of 35mph or more. That's when a bicycle is considered a "vehicle". Most of the scenarios I have been referring to is when I'm on a bike trail, at a crosswalk attempting to cross a street with cars. Bikes are not considered "vehicles" in this scenario.
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Well, I can repeat that riding on the sidewalk is stupid. Did you really need to hear that again? FWIW, you've been "attacked" plenty in this thread and all your others, though it might be more accurately described as "correcting." I've had relatively little to do with it. You seem to have picked some random activity (cycling) and just started posting nonsense. Do you even have a bike?
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In my area this is only true if you are on a "highway", a place meant for cars and at a speed limit of 35mph or more. That's when a bicycle is considered a "vehicle". Most of the scenarios I have been referring to is when I'm on a bike trail, at a crosswalk attempting to cross a street with cars. Bikes are not considered "vehicles" in this scenario.
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In my area this is only true if you are on a "highway", a place meant for cars and at a speed limit of 35mph or more. That's when a bicycle is considered a "vehicle". Most of the scenarios I have been referring to is when I'm on a bike trail, at a crosswalk attempting to cross a street with cars. Bikes are not considered "vehicles" in this scenario.
In CA, bicycles being operated on a roadway are considered vehicles, and are subject to the same rules of the road as cars. Bicycles also have (almost) all the same rights to the road, as well. Many of the problems I see in negative interactions between cars and bikes are directly related to either the cyclist or the driver (or both) being ignorant of the rules regarding operation of a bike on the road. For bike riders, it's often blurring the lines between vehicle and pedestrian, assuming right-of-way in conditions they should not. For drivers, it's often not understanding that bicycles have the same rights they do.
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Where is you area?
In CA, bicycles being operated on a roadway are considered vehicles, and are subject to the same rules of the road as cars. Bicycles also have (almost) all the same rights to the road, as well. Many of the problems I see in negative interactions between cars and bikes are directly related to either the cyclist or the driver (or both) being ignorant of the rules regarding operation of a bike on the road. For bike riders, it's often blurring the lines between vehicle and pedestrian, assuming right-of-way in conditions they should not. For drivers, it's often not understanding that bicycles have the same rights they do.
In CA, bicycles being operated on a roadway are considered vehicles, and are subject to the same rules of the road as cars. Bicycles also have (almost) all the same rights to the road, as well. Many of the problems I see in negative interactions between cars and bikes are directly related to either the cyclist or the driver (or both) being ignorant of the rules regarding operation of a bike on the road. For bike riders, it's often blurring the lines between vehicle and pedestrian, assuming right-of-way in conditions they should not. For drivers, it's often not understanding that bicycles have the same rights they do.