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Old 07-27-22, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ehcoplex View Post
I feel compelled to add to the discussion that, at least in my experience, RH tires are an absolute b**ch to get the bead initially seated properly. Soap & water, different types of rim tape, massaging to the point of serious hand cramps, a couple blown-out tubes when trying hard-and-fast inflation.... it was a multi-day process with one set. Worth it in the end, but still...
Interesting. I've never had an issue.
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Originally Posted by davester View Post
Interesting. I've never had an issue.
And hopefully such will be the case for the OP when they mount theirs!
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
to add to the fun, regular or extra light tubes?
Have some Schwalbe extra light tubes. Can't discern any difference.
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Originally Posted by ascherer View Post
Have some Schwalbe extra light tubes. Can't discern any difference.
If you can't tell I'm sure I can't.
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Originally Posted by davester View Post
I almost always buy extra light butyl tubes because they are barely any more money and provide a significant grams/$ bonus compared to just about any other weight weenie upgrade. I've not noticed any increase in flats, which seems logical since anything sharp that makes it through the tire is almost certainly going to puncture any kind of tube. For a while, way back when, I tried latex tubes but those are just a PITA.
Where do you source these? I'm always looking for lighter tubes, and most of my lightweight tubes come from the wheels of old project bikes.
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Originally Posted by ascherer View Post
Have some Schwalbe extra light tubes. Can't discern any difference.
However, the smug satisfaction that comes from knowing I have superior inner tubes must be worth something.

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Old 07-27-22, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jeirvine View Post
Where do you source these? I'm always looking for lighter tubes, and most of my lightweight tubes come from the wheels of old project bikes.
Here's one source, though there are others: https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop...or-700c-tires/
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Originally Posted by davester View Post
Here's one source, though there are others: https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop...or-700c-tires/
I found a great deal on some of those tubes on amazon (something like 6 of them and some tire levers for $30) a few years back and bought a couple packs of them. Still working my way through them all.
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These aren't rene herse they are soma randoneer ex in 650bx42. I have some gk 650bx38 in the slick version. Let me just say the somas feel a lot more expensive and a little ride felt great. Time will tell.

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These aren't rene herse they are soma randoneer ex in 650bx42. I have some gk 650bx38 in the slick version. Let me just say the somas feel a lot more expensive and a little ride felt great. Time will tell.
That is good to hear! I forgot a bought a pair of those when there was a sale not too long ago. The Grand Bois Hetres on my PX-10 650b conv. are OK, but I've been doing my best to wear them out so I can upgrade to RH..... but I'll have to go through the Somas first!*

*or........ convert another bike to 650b and put 'em on that..... hmmm
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I can tell a difference (improvement) between these and slick gravel kings.

I rode through a pile of large glass fragments today on my new Bon Jon Pass ELs (700x35).

I immediately started cursing and stopped to clear any embedded particles. None were there! Happy day.


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Originally Posted by davester View Post
Here's one source, though there are others: https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop...or-700c-tires/

Schwalbe SV18 tube is approx 110g

if you are looking to reduce weight further - and are opposed to latex tubes - Schwalbe Aerothan TPU tube in a similar size is approx 55g
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Originally Posted by t2p View Post
Schwalbe SV18 tube is approx 110g

if you are looking to reduce weight further - and are opposed to latex tubes - Schwalbe Aerothan TPU tube in a similar size is approx 55g
Interesting, but they're expensive and the reviews on Competitive Cyclist are not so good...multiple failures, particularly at the valve stem.
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Originally Posted by ehcoplex View Post
That is good to hear! I forgot a bought a pair of those when there was a sale not too long ago. The Grand Bois Hetres on my PX-10 650b conv. are OK, but I've been doing my best to wear them out so I can upgrade to RH..... but I'll have to go through the Somas first!*

*or........ convert another bike to 650b and put 'em on that..... hmmm
Another bike is always a good idea!
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Originally Posted by davester View Post
Interesting, but they're expensive and the reviews on Competitive Cyclist are not so good...multiple failures, particularly at the valve stem.
which sorta / kinda places them in the same category as Rene Herse tires ?

I'm not a fan of Aerothan valve stems (or most smooth valve stems) - but with caution the potential issues are reduced or eliminated
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I recently replaced Continental Grand Prix 25mm wide tires with RH standard 28mm wide tires on my trek 420. Its not a fair comparison because there is a width difference and I think I put lower pressure in the RH but the RH tires do ride nicer IMO. I have streets with a lot of cracks, the cracks have been patched. The lines of patches seem to make the street rougher than the cracks did. It seems like the RH tires noticeable soften the impacts of the patches, especially when it is one right after another continuously.
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These are the Soma Supple Vitesse EX. Ran them with the Aerothan tubes last year over a 750km tour and have done about 1600km (1000miles) in total on them according to Strava. They offer a very smooth ride that is generally without issues and ride well over some very rough terrain as well.
I did flat both tyres in France because of glass on the road and the threading on the rear tyre is now smooth and getting thinner. The sidewalls are starting to unravel as well so I ordered a Soma Shikoro for the rear to replace it with a similar tyre with a little bit of anti-puntcture protection.

The smooth valve stems on the Aerothan's are annoying to inflate but once you get the first bit of air in they inflate just fine. And you can fix them with the Park Tool GP-2 patch kit.

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Another positive to the somas is they make my front enclosed porch smell like really good Japanese tires.
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Originally Posted by t2p View Post
Schwalbe SV18 tube is approx 110g

if you are looking to reduce weight further - and are opposed to latex tubes - Schwalbe Aerothan TPU tube in a similar size is approx 55g
Or go full Weight Weenie and use Tubolitos They are like 20 g a tube
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Originally Posted by JaccoW View Post
These are the Soma Supple Vitesse EX. Ran them with the Aerothan tubes last year over a 750km tour and have done about 1600km (1000miles) in total on them according to Strava. They offer a very smooth ride that is generally without issues and ride well over some very rough terrain as well.
I did flat both tyres in France because of glass on the road and the threading on the rear tyre is now smooth and getting thinner. The sidewalls are starting to unravel as well so I ordered a Soma Shikoro for the rear to replace it with a similar tyre with a little bit of anti-puntcture protection.

The smooth valve stems on the Aerothan's are annoying to inflate but once you get the first bit of air in they inflate just fine. And you can fix them with the Park Tool GP-2 patch kit.

This is a VERY good looking bike! Kudos!
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Originally Posted by Positron400 View Post
Or go full Weight Weenie and use Tubolitos They are like 20 g a tube
I seem to remember that Tublito says you can't use them with rim brakes. Something something, too thin, something something, too much heat...
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Originally Posted by wschruba View Post
I seem to remember that Tublito says you can't use them with rim brakes. Something something, too thin, something something, too much heat...
Just checkd thier website bcause i was curious, since most of my bikes have rim brakes, and yes you can run them with rim brakes
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Yea, Pari Motos seem to be more my pricerange, but apparently they only come in 650B? I currently only have 700C rims, so those wont work - Or am I missing something in terms of tyre sizes?
The regular GravelKing (sometimes called "slick") in 700C is probably the closest thing to a Pari-Moto, but you might also consider the "Fairweather for Traveler" model: https://global.bluelug.com/fairweath...-blk-skin.html Also made by Panaracer, of course.

I'm really happy that file-tread tires are on trend again. Sipes and ridges and grooves and knobs in tire treads just invite rolling resistance and punctures in the thinner spots. But a simple smooth tread a couple millimeters thick with fine file patterns will ride smoothly, be reasonably flat-resistant, and maybe (?) help with grip. And fast if you pick a model with a reasonably thin and flexible casing. Pari-Motos and Rene Herse tires with the standard casing have been good enough for me in that regard. File-treads are all that I want to ride when it's not winter...
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
The regular GravelKing (sometimes called "slick") in 700C is probably the closest thing to a Pari-Moto, but you might also consider the "Fairweather for Traveler" model: https://global.bluelug.com/fairweath...-blk-skin.html Also made by Panaracer, of course.

I'm really happy that file-tread tires are on trend again. Sipes and ridges and grooves and knobs in tire treads just invite rolling resistance and punctures in the thinner spots. But a simple smooth tread a couple millimeters thick with fine file patterns will ride smoothly, be reasonably flat-resistant, and maybe (?) help with grip. And fast if you pick a model with a reasonably thin and flexible casing. Pari-Motos and Rene Herse tires with the standard casing have been good enough for me in that regard. File-treads are all that I want to ride when it's not winter...
I've been riding 700x35 gravel kings slicks on my 700c bikes for quite a while now and have to say they treat me well. I actually like the + models even. I jus t wish the plusses were made in the 650bx38-42 models. Since they aren't and I had flat issues with the 650bs I tried the soma ex. So far so good!
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Originally Posted by davester View Post
I almost always buy extra light butyl tubes because they are barely any more money and provide a significant grams/$ bonus compared to just about any other weight weenie upgrade. I've not noticed any increase in flats, which seems logical since anything sharp that makes it through the tire is almost certainly going to puncture any kind of tube.
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Where do you source these? I'm always looking for lighter tubes, and most of my lightweight tubes come from the wheels of old project bikes.
I've bought Schwalbe tubes directly from their site, too. Not my favorite to navigate, but I had no issues with the order once I found what I wanted.
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