Why don't people want to pedal anymore?
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All the states i have ridden (I think 38 but I cannot count that high) have Almost the same written rules, which in action work out to be exactly the same laws .... the range of factors which allow taking a lane might differ, but there are always enough options that you can find a rational reason. All require about three feet to pass.Even the states which require riders to use bike lanes have the exceptions clause .....
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It's the latest "thing" to get. So many get them for that reason alone.
It'll work well (perhaps better, for many) as transportation, even if ditching much of the physical benefit.
Of course, on the question of reckless (even wanton) driving/riding of a vehicle, whether it be a car, bike, skateboard or whatever, there have always been the occasional dolts and mental midgets who can't appreciate grossly-dangerous overtaking and passing speeds constitute a safety risk to everybody, particularly those who don't yet know the idiots are there. (Been "buzzed" by skateboarders, and the occasional impatient bike rider, though I can't recall an e-bike user behaving dangerously with others around. Courteous and safe passing doesn't seem to be nearly as commonplace as it once was, everyone in their own "bubbles" as they are.
It'll work well (perhaps better, for many) as transportation, even if ditching much of the physical benefit.
Of course, on the question of reckless (even wanton) driving/riding of a vehicle, whether it be a car, bike, skateboard or whatever, there have always been the occasional dolts and mental midgets who can't appreciate grossly-dangerous overtaking and passing speeds constitute a safety risk to everybody, particularly those who don't yet know the idiots are there. (Been "buzzed" by skateboarders, and the occasional impatient bike rider, though I can't recall an e-bike user behaving dangerously with others around. Courteous and safe passing doesn't seem to be nearly as commonplace as it once was, everyone in their own "bubbles" as they are.
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If they end up riding an e-bike more often than they would a regular bike, they will get a higher exercise benefit.
The exercise benefit of a bike that doesn't get ridden is zero.
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The faster times and the lower perceived exertion associated with the e-bike may incentivize active transportation. Further, while the cardiometabolic responses (e.g., HR and V̇O2) were lower for the e-bike, they were indicative of being at or near “moderate intensity,” suggesting that e-bike use may still benefit health-related fitness.
The exercise benefit of a bike that doesn't get ridden is zero.
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Metabolic and Cardiovascular Responses to a Simulated Commute on an E-Bike
The faster times and the lower perceived exertion associated with the e-bike may incentivize active transportation. Further, while the cardiometabolic responses (e.g., HR and V̇O2) were lower for the e-bike, they were indicative of being at or near “moderate intensity,” suggesting that e-bike use may still benefit health-related fitness.
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So the title of this thread should be "Why don't people want to pedal any less?"
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My wife wants one. I'm "old school".
My kids like them. But all pedal. My son especially likes the old-school steel. The fact they are so expensive (generally speaking), keeps me from even thinking about them. My son also says he'd rather have a Ducatti Scrambler over an e-bike, if he had a license to drive one. He's a teen. Pretty cool kid.
My wife wanted a Vespa once. To each, their own!
My kids like them. But all pedal. My son especially likes the old-school steel. The fact they are so expensive (generally speaking), keeps me from even thinking about them. My son also says he'd rather have a Ducatti Scrambler over an e-bike, if he had a license to drive one. He's a teen. Pretty cool kid.
My wife wanted a Vespa once. To each, their own!
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Sounds good in theory, but not realistic due to 2 factors. Uphill climb for about a mile. Our summers are humid. 70-100% humidity most of the time. Humidity is 87% right now as I type this.
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I start sweating when I look at the bike. A friend said after I ride by they have to mop the street so other cyclists don't slip in the sweat.
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it would be nice to direct the malcontents to an app created just for them where the is endless grouching and complaining, called Next Door. A real whiner-fest.
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The only person that truly knows if they're still doing the 150w on the ebike outside of a controlled study or experiment is the person riding the ebike.
It's 100% true it can benefit folks to do this. It's just the personal choice to follow through.
I know personally only the folks that chose to do the work on the e-bike. I only can view from a distance many people riding the greenway behind my house not pedalling whatsoever (it's pan flat) choosing to not do the work. I do not know any of those people personally.
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I used to disagree, but now agree.
The only person that truly knows if they're still doing the 150w on the ebike outside of a controlled study or experiment is the person riding the ebike.
It's 100% true it can benefit folks to do this. It's just the personal choice to follow through.
I know personally only the folks that chose to do the work on the e-bike. I only can view from a distance many people riding the greenway behind my house not pedalling whatsoever (it's pan flat) choosing to not do the work. I do not know any of those people personally.
The only person that truly knows if they're still doing the 150w on the ebike outside of a controlled study or experiment is the person riding the ebike.
It's 100% true it can benefit folks to do this. It's just the personal choice to follow through.
I know personally only the folks that chose to do the work on the e-bike. I only can view from a distance many people riding the greenway behind my house not pedalling whatsoever (it's pan flat) choosing to not do the work. I do not know any of those people personally.
I've definitely seen older people pedaling their ebikes with some effort, and had a conversation with a couple who definitely were doing so because it was more fun to cover the bigger distance for the same effort. I didn't know them, but don't think they were lying.
I don't want an ebike myself, but I don't see anything mysterious about why anyone else would want one regardless of how fit they are. It just means they don't ride for the same purposes I do or at least not the same way I serve that purpose.
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My comment wasn't meant to be any kind of criticism of you, just using my response to imply that I disagree with the way OP framed whatever issue it is we're supposedly discussing in this thread.
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A bit off topic - I just rode the week of Cycle Oregon. They allowed a few E-bikes this year. (I never saw the number.) Mid-week a young lady was hanging at the espresso tent and saying that others didn't get that she had to work too; that the E-bike wasn't a free ride. She heard me say I was tired to the bone. (I wasn't addressing her; just stating the facts after riding a very hard "layover option" ride as a near 70 yo riding a fix gear. Last day she powered past me near the top of the final climb, ~3000' in 10 miles. Later she heard me say roughly the same "tired to the bone". Stated that she got that she had no idea how hard I had worked. She sounded quite humbled.
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. The point of riding a road bike is after all, pain. If one avoids pain, one also avoids growth, whether physical, mental, or spiritual. I realize that may not be a universal value, but among the cyclists with whom I have ridden, it does seem to be. There's always that hill that's steeper than one wishes it were. That's where the good stuff happens. .
Good gracious, my road bike is a hair shirt? If I wanted major pain with my exhaustion, I'd take up running. I absolutely don't agree that growth requires one not avoid pain. If you're right about that, should we remove the saddle from the seat post? That'll encourage our growth real quick.
I like my road bike because I can ride it fast and for many hours without excruciating pain.
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No. i am quite comfortable getting passed, as long as proper notice is given. “On your left” or similar. What does make me mad is these moto boys swerving through the bike/walking/jogging traffic at speeds way above what is safe. I wonder are you a Strava disciple? How’s your scoreboard looking?
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eBikes are popular on a nearby paved trail that includes a section of pretty nice rollers. I crested over one of the taller rollers and huffing and puffing up the other side was a fairly large woman pushing her eBike up the hill. Sweating, huffing and puffing, she was getting a serious workout from her eBike.
I probably shouldn'ta laughed, but I did.
I probably shouldn'ta laughed, but I did.
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eBikes are popular on a nearby paved trail that includes a section of pretty nice rollers. I crested over one of the taller rollers and huffing and puffing up the other side was a fairly large woman pushing her eBike up the hill. Sweating, huffing and puffing, she was getting a serious workout from her eBike.
I probably shouldn'ta laughed, but I did.
I probably shouldn'ta laughed, but I did.
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Your comment had NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. Your comment was an astute insight into the motivating thought (seemingly) behind so many threads on this site.
And though you might have forgotten me (I should let this rest in peace because having forgotten me is pure bliss compared to having to remember me) I am the guy at whom you have aimed (and from whom you have possibly had to dodge) a few barbed statements over the years.
Even if I find your occasional excesses comical (as I do mine own, and most peoples') I have always respected your wisdom, and failed to understand how people can ride so far, so fast, at such a low pace in such a high gear .... yet here you are.
I guess it is the flat shoes that give you wings or something ...... I'd try "livedarklions-style" but my knees complain already even before I ride.
But I don't mind oddity, or its quintessence, uniqueness. So mash on, brother.
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Good gracious, my road bike is a hair shirt? If I wanted major pain with my exhaustion, I'd take up running. I absolutely don't agree that growth requires one not avoid pain. If you're right about that, should we remove the saddle from the seat post? That'll encourage our growth real quick.
I like my road bike because I can ride it fast and for many hours without excruciating pain.
I like my road bike because I can ride it fast and for many hours without excruciating pain.
Lactate build-up in the legs happens, even if it's not really lactate that causes the pain (or should I say discomfort?). I remember racing a couple of friends to the top of a local pass, about 90 miles into a training ride for a much harder ride. We stopped at a store at the pass and we all cramped our legs solid after a bit. Out in the parking lot, one of us had emptied a soda bottle which fell over in a wind gust and no one could get their legs to work well enough to chase it down. We were falling-down laughing. The rest of the ride went fine as did the event ride. I don't remember who got to the top first - it didn't matter. We all got a good bump from that 10 miles of hard work.
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You might think i am a jerk, (and sometimes you might be right,) but I still enjoy most of your comments. Dude ..... whew.
Your comment had NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. Your comment was an astute insight into the motivating thought (seemingly) behind so many threads on this site.
And though you might have forgotten me (I should let this rest in peace because having forgotten me is pure bliss compared to having to remember me) I am the guy at whom you have aimed (and from whom you have possibly had to dodge) a few barbed statements over the years.
Even if I find your occasional excesses comical (as I do mine own, and most peoples') I have always respected your wisdom, and failed to understand how people can ride so far, so fast, at such a low pace in such a high gear .... yet here you are.
I guess it is the flat shoes that give you wings or something ...... I'd try "livedarklions-style" but my knees complain already even before I ride.
But I don't mind oddity, or its quintessence, uniqueness. So mash on, brother.
Your comment had NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. Your comment was an astute insight into the motivating thought (seemingly) behind so many threads on this site.
And though you might have forgotten me (I should let this rest in peace because having forgotten me is pure bliss compared to having to remember me) I am the guy at whom you have aimed (and from whom you have possibly had to dodge) a few barbed statements over the years.
Even if I find your occasional excesses comical (as I do mine own, and most peoples') I have always respected your wisdom, and failed to understand how people can ride so far, so fast, at such a low pace in such a high gear .... yet here you are.
I guess it is the flat shoes that give you wings or something ...... I'd try "livedarklions-style" but my knees complain already even before I ride.
But I don't mind oddity, or its quintessence, uniqueness. So mash on, brother.
I actually like most of your posts very much, you just drive me nuts from time to time. If I have one piece of advice, it would be to discard the post as soon as you realize you're referring to yourself as "we". It's like a tell that " evil Maelochs" has risen. Basically, I think you have really good practical advice for people, and you're very helpful to beginners with sensible "here's a way to get started" advice. I admire that.
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