Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Masking Lugs and Panels...

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Masking Lugs and Panels...

Old 09-20-17, 07:12 AM
  #1  
randyjawa 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
randyjawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Posts: 11,672

Bikes: 1958 Rabeneick 120D, 1968 Legnano Gran Premio, 196? Torpado Professional, 2000 Marinoni Piuma

Mentioned: 210 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1370 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,743 Times in 934 Posts
Masking Lugs and Panels...

In a recent thread, regarding choice of paint pens for lining lugs and stuff, I asked how people manage to get panels straight and square when masking. One on our fellow members suggested a product called Frisket Film...



Needless to say, I Googled it and think it might be a vast improvement over my present way of masking for paint work. With that in mind...

I intend to document the process and share it here, for those who are interested. I would hope that those of you, who have experience with masking lugs and panels, chime in with things that you have learned, procedures you follow and products you use, to help the rest of us do a good job and avoid mistakes. Mistakes which can be costly, time consuming and frustrating.

And why this interest? Because I want to do a really good job of repainting my just arrived Rabineick 120d, which I would not include a picture of it were not raining cats and dogs right now. And, like all parts of any project I take on, I want to do the paint work myself, but I will fudge by buying the Rabeneick decal set from Gus Solman.
__________________
"98% of the bikes I buy are projects".
randyjawa is offline  
Old 09-20-17, 07:48 AM
  #2  
gugie 
Bike Butcher of Portland
 
gugie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 11,639

Bikes: It's complicated.

Mentioned: 1299 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4669 Post(s)
Liked 5,768 Times in 2,272 Posts
Subscribed!
__________________
If someone tells you that you have enough bicycles and you don't need any more, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
gugie is online now  
Old 09-20-17, 08:12 AM
  #3  
3speedslow
Senior Member
 
3speedslow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Jacksonville, NC
Posts: 9,339

Bikes: A few

Mentioned: 117 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1937 Post(s)
Liked 1,043 Times in 627 Posts
This is of great interest to me.
3speedslow is offline  
Old 09-20-17, 08:29 AM
  #4  
zammykoo
Senior Member
 
zammykoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 433

Bikes: Trek 510, Dahon Classic III, Specialized Tricross, Raleigh Technium 460

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 122 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Randy, hope it works out for you! Interested to see your results.
zammykoo is offline  
Old 09-20-17, 09:13 AM
  #5  
72fuji
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: se michigan
Posts: 72

Bikes: fuji finest, klien pinacle

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts
You might want to make a test area first, prepped/painted the way the frame will be. Depending on the paint/film it might want to wrinkle the paper(it can shrink when drying) making the second coat not so nice. The "old days" we made or own frisket paper two coats of 50/50 diluted rubber cement and bestine thinner. (Art studio) some of the new 3m tapes are awesome! Thin tape can be persuaded to do curves nicely. And can be used as a spacer or the vertical edge or a lug. Wide tape doesn't like curves great to wrap a tube. And with a light touch a number 11 exacting blade can be you friend! I've never really like the chiseled 16 for masking (personal pref.) can't wait to see how it turns out!
72fuji is offline  
Old 09-20-17, 10:00 AM
  #6  
kcblair
Old Legs
 
kcblair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Mass.
Posts: 1,212

Bikes: '80 Strayvaigin, '84 Ciocc Aelle-Shimano 105, '90 Concorde Astore /Campy Triple ,85 Bridgestone 500/Suntour, 2005 Jamis Quest, 2017 Raleigh Merit 1, Raleigh Carbon Clubman

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 302 Post(s)
Liked 33 Times in 22 Posts
Me too, subscribed.KB
kcblair is offline  
Old 09-20-17, 10:02 AM
  #7  
randyjawa 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
randyjawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Posts: 11,672

Bikes: 1958 Rabeneick 120D, 1968 Legnano Gran Premio, 196? Torpado Professional, 2000 Marinoni Piuma

Mentioned: 210 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1370 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,743 Times in 934 Posts
This is the Rabeneick and it finally arrived yesterday. Took a bit of time to piece it together with what I happen to have tucked away. Sadly, the brake calipers need to have a longer reach, so can't test ride it today...

__________________
"98% of the bikes I buy are projects".
randyjawa is offline  
Old 09-20-17, 10:30 AM
  #8  
Salamandrine 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,287

Bikes: 78 Masi Criterium, 68 PX10, 2016 Mercian King of Mercia, Rivendell Clem Smith Jr

Mentioned: 120 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2317 Post(s)
Liked 597 Times in 430 Posts
Frisket works well, but so does better masking tape intended for models and pinstriping. Scotch tape also works.



Another trick: Apply clear coat first after masking. It seals the edges.

If you burnish the edge of conventional crepe type masking tape, it helps too.


Originally Posted by 72fuji
You might want to make a test area first, prepped/painted the way the frame will be.
The golden rule of finishing:

Test on Scrap!


Salamandrine is offline  
Old 09-20-17, 02:14 PM
  #9  
AZORCH
Senior Member
 
AZORCH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Liberty, Missouri
Posts: 3,132

Bikes: 1966 Paramount | 1971 Raleigh International | ca. 1970 Bernard Carre | 1989 Waterford Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2019 Specialized Diverge

Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 129 Post(s)
Liked 76 Times in 40 Posts
Frisket paper (purposely) has a pretty low tack. There is also a product called Liquid frisket, which you paint on with a small brush, allow to dry, and then it's all set to mask off irregular areas. Once painting is done, you simply rub the dry frisket off - it's a bit like dried rubber cement. I could be wrong, but I think a local powdercoater told me they used it for masking lugs. (I use it for painting watercolors.)
AZORCH is offline  
Old 09-20-17, 06:09 PM
  #10  
rootboy 
Senior Member
 
rootboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wherever
Posts: 16,755
Mentioned: 92 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 556 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 132 Times in 78 Posts
Same here, Azorch. Windsor & Newton make a liquid frisket masking fluid, and Grumbacher may still too though I haven't seen that in a while. Great secret paint masking tip.
For this project though I don't think I'd use frisket paper. Made for flat art work, etc.
Tamiya tapes, available at hobby shops for model makers in various widths, makes great tape for fine masking.
rootboy is offline  
Old 09-21-17, 06:28 AM
  #11  
ZG862
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 32

Bikes: Tom Board 653, Dawes Imperial

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Tamiya also now make "curved" tape which may be of interest. Clearly the tape is not actually curved, but formulated such that it can be stretched around curves and still provide a clean edge.

Z.
ZG862 is offline  
Old 09-21-17, 01:15 PM
  #12  
SJX426 
Senior Member
 
SJX426's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Posts: 9,580

Bikes: '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, '94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster, Tern Link D8

Mentioned: 73 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1601 Post(s)
Liked 2,187 Times in 1,092 Posts
OK subscribing with interest of masking a Nervex lug or other complex curved lug.
__________________
Bikes don't stand alone. They are two tired.
SJX426 is offline  
Old 09-21-17, 02:57 PM
  #13  
duane041
Junk Collector
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Chicago IL
Posts: 974

Bikes: 1987 Schwinn Circuit, 2012 Colnago M10, 1990 Schwinn CrissCross

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 34 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Frisket film will work okay on the tubes, but if you're going to apply Frisket to the lug itself it won't conform to the curves very well. You're better off using 3M's 233xx line of tape. It's a crepe-paper tape that conforms and holds, and the adhesive is solvent proof, so no lifting! I also use a popsicle stick (the rounded ends do nicely) to push the tape up against the shorelines to get them to stick nicely. Then, a steady hand and about 3 x-acto blades per lug!
duane041 is offline  
Old 09-21-17, 03:12 PM
  #14  
qcpmsame 
Semper Fi
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 12,942
Mentioned: 89 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1172 Post(s)
Liked 358 Times in 241 Posts
Subscribed, after becoming temporarily cross eyed from masking the lugs on a Raleigh International, back in '80. Thanks for starting this topic Randy, and the others contributing.

You guys are way out ahead of my level of skills or experience, but I have had some good results with Tamiya liquid masking, from a local hobby shop. However it needs a boundary on tubing unless you can freehand perfectly straight lines. It does work well on lugs for me.

Bill
__________________
Semper Fi, USMC, 1975-1977

I Can Do All Things Through Him, Who Gives Me Strength. Philippians 4:13


qcpmsame is offline  
Old 09-21-17, 07:42 PM
  #15  
noglider 
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Posts: 40,691

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 510 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7287 Post(s)
Liked 2,364 Times in 1,382 Posts
Originally Posted by AZORCH
Frisket paper (purposely) has a pretty low tack. There is also a product called Liquid frisket, which you paint on with a small brush, allow to dry, and then it's all set to mask off irregular areas. Once painting is done, you simply rub the dry frisket off - it's a bit like dried rubber cement. I could be wrong, but I think a local powdercoater told me they used it for masking lugs. (I use it for painting watercolors.)
I used liquid latex for this. I masked the chromed fork crown and lugs. Removing it was easy.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
markk900
Classic & Vintage
14
01-27-19 12:55 PM
nickw
Classic & Vintage
17
12-22-15 02:47 AM
karmasoft
Classic & Vintage
11
07-22-15 03:05 PM
Talman Phoenix
Commuting
19
08-16-14 09:49 PM
joseph senger
Framebuilders
3
05-26-10 04:41 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.