For Want Of A Nail....
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For Want Of A Nail....
I recently acquired a 1985 Centurion Ironman in really good condition, but of course I stripped it down, cleaned it and am putting it back together - original stem and bars is one thing. Original grease in the BB and headset is something else entirely. It came with what I assume was the original front reflector, which puzzled me because it had none of the other reflectors. This one was one of those that fits into the headset under the locking nut.
It turns out, that is exactly why it was there. Without it, the lock nut bottoms out on the top of the steerer before contacting the top cup, so it doesn't lock up anything. "Oh, well," I thought, "I'll just run out to a bike store and pick up a spacer to replace it."
Yeah, right.
I'd figured any shop that's been in business more than 10 years would have a bunch of these. Turns out, not so much. So I turned to Ebay, where I discovered you could either buy a pack of 10 of them, or buy a single one from Europe and pay exorbitant shipping and wait a few weeks. So I ordered a 10 pack, and meanwhile used a hacksaw to cut the reflector mount down to a 3/4 circle I could use as a spacer in the meanwhile to complete the build, pending the arrival of the spacer I needed and 9 more that I don't.
So, first, where did all the spacers go? And second, have you ever been stymied by the inability to find what SHOULD BE a common-as-dirt part that EVERYONE used to have?
It turns out, that is exactly why it was there. Without it, the lock nut bottoms out on the top of the steerer before contacting the top cup, so it doesn't lock up anything. "Oh, well," I thought, "I'll just run out to a bike store and pick up a spacer to replace it."
Yeah, right.
I'd figured any shop that's been in business more than 10 years would have a bunch of these. Turns out, not so much. So I turned to Ebay, where I discovered you could either buy a pack of 10 of them, or buy a single one from Europe and pay exorbitant shipping and wait a few weeks. So I ordered a 10 pack, and meanwhile used a hacksaw to cut the reflector mount down to a 3/4 circle I could use as a spacer in the meanwhile to complete the build, pending the arrival of the spacer I needed and 9 more that I don't.
So, first, where did all the spacers go? And second, have you ever been stymied by the inability to find what SHOULD BE a common-as-dirt part that EVERYONE used to have?
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Pretty sure I do, too. Shoulda put out an ISO!
Incidentally, when the oddball headset on my Diamondback started having trouble staying in adjustment, I added a reflector bracket. With that, I had a visual indication whether the stack of headset nuts had loosened, and a convenient way to swat it tighter for the time being. (Now that I've ground down a headset wrench to 33mm, I can finally adjust it properly and the reflector bracket is now superfluous again.)
Incidentally, when the oddball headset on my Diamondback started having trouble staying in adjustment, I added a reflector bracket. With that, I had a visual indication whether the stack of headset nuts had loosened, and a convenient way to swat it tighter for the time being. (Now that I've ground down a headset wrench to 33mm, I can finally adjust it properly and the reflector bracket is now superfluous again.)
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It does boggle the mind when you think a part should be a “sure thing” find. I have two bike shops in my town. One looks at me confused when i don’t want the latest and greatest thing...
The other one has a bone yard of parts decades old. Guess which one I hang out in!
The other one has a bone yard of parts decades old. Guess which one I hang out in!
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I've cut down so many of those spacers. The reflector brackets that are also cable hangers usually get modified by me too.
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Yup, before the original Nashbar was sold out I bought an old style keyed spacer and, for bikes with cantilever brakes, a cable hanger that doubled as a keyed spacer.
Centurion may have changed that design later. My 1989 Ironman and early 1990s Univega came without the reflector mounts. On the Univega the reflector mounts also doubled as emergency catchers in case a straddle cable broke -- extremely unlikely considering how thick those cables are, so I never bothered replacing the cable catchers. Either those bikes didn't need the keyed spacer, or whoever removed the reflector mounts replaced them with their own keyed spacers which were probably readily available back then.
Centurion may have changed that design later. My 1989 Ironman and early 1990s Univega came without the reflector mounts. On the Univega the reflector mounts also doubled as emergency catchers in case a straddle cable broke -- extremely unlikely considering how thick those cables are, so I never bothered replacing the cable catchers. Either those bikes didn't need the keyed spacer, or whoever removed the reflector mounts replaced them with their own keyed spacers which were probably readily available back then.
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I'll submit that a spacer without the bitty key are better even. I've seen plenty of those key nubs turned and ground away, which makes life harder and damages the steerer tube. I've filed them off when in doubt. I believe the key's interface was only a manufacturing convenience. File the key off the spacer, put it all together and use two wrenches properly.
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i would have gone to American Cyclery
they were on Fremont, closed during an earthquake retrofit but last I read were back up snd running.
the typical reflector brackets were to withstand a 50 lb load without bending. Usually just above 1mm thick, so depending you might need one or two washers.
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SF area has to have plenty of bike collectives/co-ops. Anywhere that still deals with threaded headsets should have tons of spacers.
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So I decided that phoning was no good, and I'd have to actually physically go to every shop, if I wanted to find one. So I ordered the bag of 10 and broke out the hacksaw. Shakedown cruise should be tonight.
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i would have gone to American Cyclery
they were on Fremont, closed during an earthquake retrofit but last I read were back up snd running.
the typical reflector brackets were to withstand a 50 lb load without bending. Usually just above 1mm thick, so depending you might need one or two washers.
i would have gone to American Cyclery
they were on Fremont, closed during an earthquake retrofit but last I read were back up snd running.
the typical reflector brackets were to withstand a 50 lb load without bending. Usually just above 1mm thick, so depending you might need one or two washers.
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SF is 20 miles away, plus you'd think the older bike shops on the Peninsula that do a lot of business servicing old bikes would have them. But you'd be mistaken. I was.
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They don't strictly need to be keyed; it just helps hold the adjustment while you tighten the locknut. With a non-keyed spacer, you can use one of your headset spanners to hold the adjustment while you tighten things down.
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I'll submit that a spacer without the bitty key are better even. I've seen plenty of those key nubs turned and ground away, which makes life harder and damages the steerer tube. I've filed them off when in doubt. I believe the key's interface was only a manufacturing convenience. File the key off the spacer, put it all together and use two wrenches properly.
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Is it that they don't have the spacer or the employee just didn't understand what you were looking for because you had a threaded headset?
Working at a well known Boston shop around 1995 or so I saw an employee refuse to sell someone a freewheel for an older Fuji (something like an '85ish Team or Ravoli) but anyway the customer asked for a Suntour freewheel and since we didn't have any Suntour freewheels on the shelf this guy wouldn't sell him anything despite my repeatedly telling him a Sachs FW would work even better than the Suntour. He said NO since it had a Suntour RD it had to have a Suntour FW to shift properly. I think it has been down hill for shop service since that day.
Working at a well known Boston shop around 1995 or so I saw an employee refuse to sell someone a freewheel for an older Fuji (something like an '85ish Team or Ravoli) but anyway the customer asked for a Suntour freewheel and since we didn't have any Suntour freewheels on the shelf this guy wouldn't sell him anything despite my repeatedly telling him a Sachs FW would work even better than the Suntour. He said NO since it had a Suntour RD it had to have a Suntour FW to shift properly. I think it has been down hill for shop service since that day.
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@genejockey for anything vintage there's a really good chance that Cupertino Bike Shop would have it. If you go there for anything, W,TH, & Fr are the best days since Greg Davis, their Vintage Mechanic, works those days. On other days the knowledge of where the different vintage parts are located is a little more hit and miss.
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