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Old 07-01-22, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bamboobike4 View Post
Looks like it. Proprietary seat posts are "in" these days.

I'm not in the new bike market. We both know we could have 15 bikes for that much, all with DA, all used.
True dat! With the cranks I run, no need for that many cogs in the back. As for the seatpost, I can't figure out why an all carbon bike, running low pressure beach cruiser sized tires needs a suspension post. My bad, Trek recommends not running a tire bigger that 28. Oh, I know the reason. We're not supposed to talk about it though. As for the seatpost being new/revolutionary, looks like a Y Foil to me. 8k for that thing. It ain't gonna look or ride any better than the project you're working on now.

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Old 07-01-22, 01:39 PM
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The 2022 Madone SLR 6 with mechanical Ultegra is $7k. $8k, while crazy money, is not out of line for the new model with a more expensive drive train. Iím not in that market, but the price of the new bike is not out of line with prior models.

There is still the Madone SL for the peasants.
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Old 07-01-22, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bamboobike4 View Post
Looks like it. Proprietary seat posts are "in" these days.

I'm not in the new bike market. We both know we could have 15 bikes for that much, all with DA, all used.
Looks like with the new IsoFlow diamond seattube/post thingy, Trek might have reached the point I feared would come with modern frame evolution. Frame construction keeps getting wider tubes starting to resemble 2x4s. If you look at those pictures of Mad Pederson riding the new Madone, look at where that diamond part of the seatstays is in relation to his quads. It might not happen to a tall dude perched a foot and a half above the TT, but there's a really good chance that a short stocky guy with big quads(like you and I) will have legs rubbing the frame there. I hope that crank has a high q factor. Maybe not, but it's already a problem on the front of the TT behind the headtube on some frames I've sat on.

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Old 07-01-22, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rides4Beer View Post
I've always said that if they made 105 di2, I'd buy it, and I will (I'm 185lbs, so a few grams in the total system weight doesn't make a difference to me). Already have plans for a new gravel bike (swapping my GRX di2 to the new bike), and then a new road bike, which will be full aero, and 105 di2. Perfect timing.

For those saying there's no benefits to di2, I'll mention a few that make a big difference for me, no cables (I've broken several), shifting under load, shifting while braking. Those alone are enough to justify the cost for me, but different strokes for different folks, ride what works for you.
You had a chance to buy Sram Rival Etap quite a while ago. But being this is a Shimano thread, I probably shouldn't mention trickle-down has already happened.
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Originally Posted by bamboobike4 View Post
We both know we could have 15 bikes for that much, all with DA, all used.
​​​​​When you put it that way, the Madone sounds like a fantastic value: one bike that I'd love to ride or 15 that would collect cobwebs?
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
​​​​​When you put it that way, the Madone sounds like a fantastic value: one bike that I'd love to ride or 15 that would collect cobwebs?
I rotate through all of mine. Different one each ride.
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Anyone know if the Di2 signals work with different groupsets? For example, if I were to get the 105 Di2 shifters, would I be able to use a GRX Di2 FD? I'm more excited that the 105 Di2 can run 11-36t native. For my gravel rig I was thinking 105 Di2 shifters + GRX Di2 FD + GRX crankset + 105 Di2 RD + 12 speed 11-36t cassette. Would something like that be possible?
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Old 07-01-22, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
I rotate through all of mine. Different one each ride.
I do my part to help y'all by avoiding such bikes, myself.

You're welcome.
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I do my part to help y'all by avoiding such bikes, myself.

You're welcome.
Im on your team, except I have vintage built in. Itís incompatible with other vintage stuff.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Inflation's a *****!
I think the seat stay - Seat tube junction is just ugly.
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Old 07-01-22, 06:46 PM
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Definitely more options for mounting stuff like lights, Varia, etc.
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Originally Posted by jonathanf2 View Post
Anyone know if the Di2 signals work with different groupsets? For example, if I were to get the 105 Di2 shifters, would I be able to use a GRX Di2 FD? I'm more excited that the 105 Di2 can run 11-36t native. For my gravel rig I was thinking 105 Di2 shifters + GRX Di2 FD + GRX crankset + 105 Di2 RD + 12 speed 11-36t cassette. Would something like that be possible?
I am not sure you can use an a Di2 FD from an 11 speed drivetrain with any 12 speed Di2 system, at least not without software modification. If I understand and remember correctly, the 11 speed Di2 systems are wired and use a junction box, while the 12 speed Di2 systems are wireless and use a chip in the RD instead. Logically, Shimano can program a 12 speed RD to send the appropriate signal to a Di2 FD from an 11 speed drivetrain, although Shimano has every financial incentive not to do so. I suppose an enterprising aftermarket software engineer could "chip" the system to provide this function (and risk the wrath of Shimano asserting a DMCA violation), if you don't mind the concurrent risk of voiding your warranty.
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Originally Posted by jonathanf2 View Post
Anyone know if the Di2 signals work with different groupsets? For example, if I were to get the 105 Di2 shifters, would I be able to use a GRX Di2 FD? I'm more excited that the 105 Di2 can run 11-36t native. For my gravel rig I was thinking 105 Di2 shifters + GRX Di2 FD + GRX crankset + 105 Di2 RD + 12 speed 11-36t cassette. Would something like that be possible?
It would work with sram axs fd, rd and shifters. I use grx cranks with my sram axs drivetrain.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
​​​​​When you put it that way, the Madone sounds like a fantastic value: one bike that I'd love to ride or 15 that would collect cobwebs?
None of mine collect cobwebs.
I rotate them to the point I can’t remember riding one twice in a row.

Some days I feel Italian, some days not.

Lately I’m liking US-built bikes:
Aluminum Cannondale
Steel Fiorini
Ti Litespeed
Carbon Kestrel
Steel Wraith Fabrications

4 Colnagos, 3 of which are climbers
1 Battaglin
1 Cinelli
2 Rossins

I try to ride a Japanese bike once in a while, either a PDG Series 5 or an Ironman.

Now, for a one and only, I’d like the new LeMond package. Even at $12K, nor a bad value.
More than just a bike, a relationship, and interesting.

I like interesting.

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Old 07-01-22, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bamboobike4 View Post
None of mine collect cobwebs. I rotate them to the point I canít riding one twice in a row.
That's great for you, but my point is that I wouldn't want to ride any $(8,000/15) bike.
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It would work with sram axs fd, rd and shifters. I use grx cranks with my sram axs drivetrain.
Curious on your setup. What's the specs on your components? I'm in no rush to go wireless, but it seems we are headed in that direction, so I might as well start thinking/planning on it.
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Originally Posted by bamboobike4 View Post
None of mine collect cobwebs.
I rotate them to the point I canít remember riding one twice in a row.

Some days I feel Italian, some days not.

Lately Iím liking US-built bikes:
Aluminum Cannondale
Steel Fiorini
Ti Litespeed
Carbon Kestrel
Steel Wraith Fabrications

4 Colnagos, 3 of which are climbers
1 Battaglin
1 Cinelli
2 Rossins

I try to ride a Japanese bike once in a while, either a PDG Series 5 or an Ironman.

Now, for a one and only, Iíd like the new LeMond package. Even at $12K, nor a bad value.
More than just a bike, a relationship, and interesting.

I like interesting.
I think there's a Wraith Hustle medium for sale in Cali. That's a serious ride.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31 View Post
The 2022 Madone SLR 6 with mechanical Ultegra is $7k. $8k, while crazy money, is not out of line for the new model with a more expensive drive train. Iím not in that market, but the price of the new bike is not out of line with prior models.

There is still the Madone SL for the peasants.
Bikes have been getting more expensive for years but especially the last few. Covid bike boom, supply chain disintegration, wild inflation, lots of bad frustration. It's not just your imagination.
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I bought a Cervelo C3 half a decade ago with Ultegra Di2 for the price of Ultegra mech. I changed the bars and stem for comfort and put wheels I love on her. I still love the bike. I'm glad to have one I love, and to have been able to buy when it was only somewhat stupidly expensive.
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Do you still have to buy D Fly separately, or is that just built into the system now?
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Originally Posted by jonathanf2 View Post
Curious on your setup. What's the specs on your components? I'm in no rush to go wireless, but it seems we are headed in that direction, so I might as well start thinking/planning on it.
I have force axs except the disc brake calipers and cranks. To use cable operated brakes, I have Juin-Tech GT calipers. I've got another build started with force hydro shifters and brakes.

For road use, I have 2mm spacing washers on the chain rings to correct the chain line. Campy 48/32 cranks work too. I suspect that most 11 speed cranks will work, but only shimano cassettes are practical with 50 to 53 chain rings.

I prefer a higher quality bottom bracket like the thread together with angular contact bearings from wheels manufacturing.
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That's great for you, but my point is that I wouldn't want to ride any $(8,000/15) bike.
I guess not. I’ll keep this one away from you. Of course, they don’t start like this, but by the time I sell the original group, and get all these used parts, they end up this way.

The trickle down works for me.

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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
I think there's a Wraith Hustle medium for sale in Cali. That's a serious ride.
Iím after the Wraith Paycheck. Serious gravel and cross bike. The podiums have raised the ante on that one, quite a bit.
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I guess not. Iíll keep this one away from you. Of course, they donít start like this, but by the time I sell the original group, and get all these used parts, they end up this way.

The trickle down works for me.
And that, as it sits, has a market value of $533? Yeah, I'mma call bull****.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
And that, as it sits, has a market value of $533? Yeah, I'mma call bull****.
Some are more, some are less. That was $800 OEM, the group sold for $350. What you see was about $600 more, so $1050. I balance that out with bikes I know I can’t sell for $250. Several of them.

in 2010 or so, I started with $500 on eBay. I bought a bike for $135 and sold it for $300. Over the years, I’ve bought, built, stripped, given away, ruined scores of bikes. Parts built up, went down, bikes and frames came and went. The take-offs and networking and trades all add up.

Currently, I have 15 riders or wall art, and I’m down $8,000. Thus, the $8000/15. Great hobby.

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