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Old 09-20-22, 07:16 PM
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Thank you for the information - I did check on those TA chainrings and one has to figure in the extra cost due to the Canadian dollar being worth less, tends to add a bit more, about 25%.
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Thanks to a member who had converted his TDF to 650b I have the opportunity to purchase wheels, fenders and some other parts that he removed prior to selling the too large frame. It is more involved going this route but I would rather have a bike that I can ride and enjoy.





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Originally Posted by VintageRide
Thanks to a member who had converted his TDF to 650b I have the opportunity to purchase wheels, fenders and some other parts that he removed prior to selling the too large frame. It is more involved going this route but I would rather have a bike that I can ride and enjoy.









Having gone this route with my '72 PX-10, I heartily endorse it- it makes for a very comfortable, versatile yet still very sporty all-road ride that, at least to my mind, remains very true to essential 'frenchy-ness'!
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…Already looking at Stronglight 49D arms with TA cyclotourist triple chainrings ( probably need to change out the axle )
Yes, you will need a different axle. I did the same thing to a Super Course and had to swap it out.

The Suntour VX GT looks to be a long cage so that will be fine, might look into a different front derailleur and the wheels will most likely receive a pair of Rene Herse tires, probably 32mm unless as I mentioned I can fit 35mm with fenders.
You can find long cage Simplex RDs, but at a cost and they aren’t truly original, just French (and don’t shift quite as well as a Vx GT - one of the best RDs ever made IMHO)

Also, I will be shocked if you can get 35mm tires and a fender in the front fork. Gitanes were notorious for short fork arms that limited tire size (~35 mm max) even though they had the width for much larger tires. FWIW, vrktyg is also over on the Gitaneusa forum. Mention his name and he shall eventually appear with encyclopedic knowledge of Gitane.

Lastly, I can vouch that they are a sublime ride on any road - and I’ve ridden mine on at least 100 miles of nasty gravel.

Bonne chance!
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I may find that the hangar has not been modified to accept the Suntour, might be wrong but it looks a bit odd and one reason why the chain is not properly routed. I will have to take a closer look when I go to check out the bike later today. Should be interesting. I tend to prefer some of the early Shimano long cage derailleurs but as the Suntour is so good should just use it.



I can see that going 650b is the best option in my case, nothing like a comfortable ride!
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I can see that going 650b is the best option in my case, nothing like a comfortable ride!
Nothing like 42 mm tires to handle any paved road and just about any maintained county dirt road.

One of my Gitanes came with the derailleur hanger drilled out to accept a cheap, bolt-on Shimano RD. I had to kludge a sleeve to bring the hole back to spec so I could hang a proper Simplex RD. People do all kinds of stupid things - hoping nobody did something equally stupid to the one you’re interested in!
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"Maxi" is probably a typo/slip, but according to what I've read, by late 1972 (peak of the bike boom), Gitane couldn't get all the Stronglight 93 cranksets it needed and began delivering TDFs with Sugino Mighty Competition cranksets. I have a 1973 that did, which I swapped out for a Mightly Tour to handle the hills in my area.
And I agree, the ride is outstanding...
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Thought I would share a few images, brought the bike home a few days earlier and spent a couple of hours doing an initial cleaning, waxing and polishing. Matching the paint to touch up various chips and scrapes should be fun. One item that was quickly removed was the kickstand ( travesty! ) which saved a few grams ( it was all alloy ). Brake hoods are decidedly rotted but replacing the Dia Compes anyway.


It remains to be seen just how long the build into a 650b conversion will take, really just a case of funds since I am retired and on a budget. Hopefully in a couple of months depending on the cost. If anyone knows of a good used large size Berthoud front bag it would be appreciated. There might be other similar ones out there but I find Berthouds quite good.


No doubt I will not be able to restrain myself from further cleaning. I did notice that the Sugino crankset, KKT Pro pedals, Suntour derailleurs, brakes, Avocet seat and wheels ( Shimano hubs with Araya 700C rims ) are like new, in fact I suspect the swap was done years ago and never ridden considering the rear derailleur issue. It also has a 26.4 Campy copy Zeus seat post which I would likely trade though maybe I should just keep it on the bike. I do like the Suntour shifters, nice design. Apparently the collector's daughter, whom I was dealing with, mentioned he had quite a few new in the box road bikes from the era , mostly entry level it seems. I never asked for details but perhaps he got close out deals from a bike shop or worked in one back then. I will be selling everything except the seat and derailleurs.

I do need to modify the rear dropout to accept the Suntour derailleur as suspected, it was threaded but not notched. Will have to careful taking off material. Any suggestions?




































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Old 09-25-22, 01:18 AM
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The Zeus seatpost:









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Looks good! I seem to recall a threat or a blog post somewhere about cutting and bending a washer to function as a stop for the B screw so one only has to tap the drop-out hanger..... but I could be mistaken on that. Keep us posted on how it progresses- I've got a Valgan in a loooooong slow build/650b conversion process that will need to be modded to take a Suntour on the Simplex drop-out.Looks like you'll have lots of tire clearance with 650b wheels on there.
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Congrats! Was hoping you'd be able to scoop it up; it's definitely as nice - if not far nicer - than the seller's pictures suggested.

Given how pristine it is, it might not be a bad idea to consider keeping the dropout hanger intact and mounting a Simplex SX610 GT rear derailer on it. Should perform as well as the Suntour; perhaps a bit better due to the softer return spring. Definitely a consideration.

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+1 on the congratulations! That is a desirable frame and the condition looks to be very good. I would encourage you to keep the Simplex dropout as it is. The Shimano Crane GS is another RD candidate for your situation: it uses the threads but has its own stop tab.

The original seatpost was nothing special - a straight chromed steel post - so I'd keep the Zeus seatpost.
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Agreed with the above. Find a long cage Simplex or track down the washer-stop thread. (I, too, recall something about that.) I wouldn’t notch the hanger.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
Given how pristine it is, it might not be a bad idea to consider keeping the dropout hanger intact and mounting a Simplex SX610 GT rear derailer on it. Should perform as well as the Suntour; perhaps a bit better due to the softer return spring. Definitely a consideration.

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Or, if you've got $$ to burn (or are lucky), an SLJ GT. I've got a Cyclone GT on one bike and an SLJ 5500 GT on another and I actually think the SLJ shifts a little better.
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Or, if you've got $$ to burn (or are lucky), an SLJ GT. I've got a Cyclone GT on one bike and an SLJ 5500 GT on another and I actually think the SLJ shifts a little better.
I clearly need to do more riding to confirm/refute this claim with my two examples...
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Always appreciate any advice and have to admit I do not want to basically alter the Simplex dropout but due to a lack of knowledge and plain ignorance thought that modifying it was the only course when using most non original ( Simplex ) derailleurs. As it has been threaded perhaps the suggested Shimano Crane and will look into the others as well. Is the Simplex SX610 GT available in a long cage version? The only ones available on Ebay were all short cage. I perhaps should hold onto the Suntour as it still might come in handy one day and is unused.
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Originally Posted by VintageRide
Somewhat of an update - still contemplating buying the Gitane, I really do not require another bike, for me the 4 I already own are sufficient but I have to admit that I do like early French road bikes and although not my first colour choice the frame condition is certainly above average for its age. Must have something to do with my exposure during the early '70's bike boom and an affinity for bikes like this.


What I am wondering is the maximum tire width one can expect to reasonably fit on 700C rims. My understanding is that clearance is a bit of an issue and that 32 mm might be the limit though possibly not with fenders. IfI do purchase this Gitane as mentioned the gearing will be lower and most likely will use rando handlebars and other changes, if not MKS Sylvan then some proper vintage Lyotards.


I am certain some of you will encourage me to go ahead, definitely a push / pull situation.
...I restored a similar bike, and was somewhat surprised when I built 27" wheels for it, that the clearance on the fork only let me use a 27x1" tire. It works fine, but I had expected more room.
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Originally Posted by VintageRide
Always appreciate any advice and have to admit I do not want to basically alter the Simplex dropout but due to a lack of knowledge and plain ignorance thought that modifying it was the only course when using most non original ( Simplex ) derailleurs. As it has been threaded perhaps the suggested Shimano Crane and will look into the others as well. Is the Simplex SX610 GT available in a long cage version? The only ones available on Ebay were all short cage. I perhaps should hold onto the Suntour as it still might come in handy one day and is unused.
The GT is the long cage version:

https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.a...EFFA0&Enum=108

There is one on eBay, but it's NOS and the price is astronomical. Not 100% sure if the mounting for the claw type hanger is compatible either:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19525029919...Bk9SR7TfluzuYA

I'd put out an "wanted" in the ISO thread. Might be a member or two here who have one to part with.

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Is the Simplex SX610 GT available in a long cage version?
The GT designation means long cage- the short cage should be designated 'T'... There are also some other Simplex long-cage models- the Velobase page is a good place to get familiar.... Also note that with Simplex RDs, whether they came with a 'claw' or not is important- you can't simply remove the claw from an RD that has one and use that RD on a dropout with a hanger... because..... french.....
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Ah, cudak888 beat me to it!
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Yeah, there don't seem to be a lot of long cage Simplex RDs on fleabay at the moment, but when I was looking for one a while back there were a fair number. May just be a matter of being patient and checking regularly. You might also check eBay.fr- I've bought things from France and haven't had any problems (knock on wood....).
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Ah, cudak888 beat me to it!
You were able to provide the critical information about the claw hanger variants being different though. Will save the OP from even considering that overpriced NOS one on eBay.

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Removed the Sugino Mighty Competition crankset, KKT pedals, derailleur and chain and will remove the bottom bracket axle which I assume is still a Stronglight ( 112 .mm ) though might have been changed out to a Sugino. Headset is stiff and will need an overhaul. I have been checking online for any information on the Araya 700C rims but nothing so far as to time frame, perhaps a variation on the road 16B version?



Won a Shimano ( Schwinn ) Le Tour GT 300 for 68.00 with shipping, think I will carefully remove the " Schwinn approved " script ( or paint over it ) and fill in the area around the Le Tour and highlight it. A touch of French, no? It will receive a cleaning and polish, removing any scratches.









Slowly detailing the frame and components:



























Perhaps someone might want to trade some of the removed parts, almost brand new, never used with just some signs of wear due to simply being handled etc.




















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Wow, @VintageRide, that frame is in beautiful shape. The bottom bracket area look remarkable.

Depending on what you're seeking for a trade, I'd be interested in the VX-GT rear derailleur. I'll PM you.
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Wow! That stuff is shiny!! How’d you clean it so well?
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