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Old 11-01-22, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bikerosity57
I have a set of SunTour Superb brakes that appeared just like that!! I have no memory of buying them in the past.

Thats good reproduction...I get cheap pedals brakes and stems that show up in increasing numbers
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Old 11-02-22, 12:25 AM
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The newest version of the VAR tire jack is fiberglass reinforced, but the tool still buckles when pulling on a tight tire.

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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
Looking at the bikes I own, if Brooks ever shutters totally, I'm screwed...
Fortunately, Brooks saddles can last a long time. I have a couple that are over half a century old. And if/when the leather fails, it can be re-covered, e.g. rhmsaddles.com for another half century or more of service.
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Old 11-02-22, 08:44 AM
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Me too

Originally Posted by Robvolz
OK, my other hobby is McIntosh stereos.

I love the big/warm sound of the bits from the 70's and am forced to accept a digital readout from the CD player from the early 80s.

I don't like the new stuff. Buy a BOSE, don't care. Sonos, good for you.

I understand that tech evolves, chassis change size, and Moore's law. Still don't care. I want what I want. Either you get it or you don't. The companies aren't making products for me, and it can be a hassle to keep my components running. Luckily there is the internet and others with the same mindset.

Exactly the same with cycling.
I have dabbled in vintage stereo to play my "Albums" maybe we should have sony walkmans so we can ride and listen to some hot 70's lol
I am embarrassed to say my Mcintosh Turntable after only 2 years is back to the manufacturer to be repaired for not maintaining speed (Warranty), the good news is my MCS 6700 a rebadged Technics that i got for $2.00 and fixed myself is still playing.. to be fair i did have to tinker with it a little but it was simple stuff i could do, there might be a parallel there. the modern MA 8900 receiver is very good however, sorry the valave sound is not currently in my stable but maybe one day...
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Old 11-02-22, 08:53 AM
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Dia Compe is still making C & V looking products. Hopefully the link works.

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Old 11-02-22, 09:13 AM
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https://www.speedbicycles.ch/intervi...ket/index.html

note the date, near a decade ago.
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Old 11-02-22, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by repechage
And ten years ago the vintage roady market was stronger.

Vintage mountain bikes in steel lugged frames are what people want. Just not on here as much.

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Old 11-02-22, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by repechage
And a lot of those guys predicted the market would go down.
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Originally Posted by smd4
And a lot of those guys predicted the market would go down.
Mark Twain had told the reporter, “Just say the report of my death has been grossly exaggerated.”

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Personally, I don't care who predicts what. Like others have said, 1) I didn't get into this sport to make money; 2) I have enough spare stuff already to last at least my lifetime; 3) There is still PLENTY of new old stock on eBay. If I don't want new old stock, I can still get brand new consumables like cables and brake shoes.

It's really a silly discussion, if you ask me. Real Chicken Little thinking. I help fire a 1941 steam locomotive on a local tourist line. I can still get vintage and operational steam locomotive equipment off eBay (and have done so). If you think old bikes are rare, trying finding parts for a 1941 steam engine. And yet, it's done ALL THE TIME.
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Originally Posted by StarBiker
And ten years ago the vintage roady market was stronger.

Vintage mountain bikes in steel lugged frames are what people wan't. Just not on here as much.
The market was driven upwards by the whole retro bike/single speed fad that was going on with younger cyclists.
Now that that fad is gone, things are pretty dead again....
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Old 11-02-22, 02:24 PM
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I think my "investment " is minimal compared to the enjoyment I get out of building and riding my bikes....not too concerned . I just hope some of us keep riding them , it's nice to see some classic bikes now and then.
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Old 11-02-22, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by uprightbent

Vintage Cycling dies a slow death...

If this is what a slow death looks like, sign me up. Vintage cycling is still very much around, consumables are still being made, and events like Gravel Worlds and Tour Divide have even recently added C&V categories. This is in addition to the huge Eroica events that take place as well as other c&v specific events.
In all seriousness, I would love to die this slowly.
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Old 11-02-22, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Classtime
Doesn't Grant still offer the Rodeo?
The Roadeo is still around. And it is a drop bar bike in the loosest sense. Below is a build pic from Riv's site.
Bonus points for Riv's scare tactics in the description of the bike- they go into great detail with full fear mongering by comparing strong steel with fragile and suddenly failing carbon fiber.

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Old 11-02-22, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
Personally, I don't care who predicts what. Like others have said, 1) I didn't get into this sport to make money; 2) I have enough spare stuff already to last at least my lifetime; 3) There is still PLENTY of new old stock on eBay. If I don't want new old stock, I can still get brand new consumables like cables and brake shoes.

It's really a silly discussion, if you ask me. Real Chicken Little thinking. I help fire a 1941 steam locomotive on a local tourist line. I can still get vintage and operational steam locomotive equipment off eBay (and have done so). If you think old bikes are rare, trying finding parts for a 1941 steam engine. And yet, it's done ALL THE TIME.
Nothig is really impossible, but let's not underestimate or degrade others' sorrow over the second, third or n-th life of the classic bike hype of a certain era.

Different individual perspectives don't render the question itself silly (not that there are stupid questions as we know). Some care about how big is the group love for these, or to which age/brand/level of originality especially, others not as much, but might care about their personal shrinking possibilities on the same. Tell someone who meticulously restored his bikes for decades upto the original washer, that he has nothing to worry about "because the shop around the corner can print that part you need even from titanium if you want" or "they are still available, I recently saw a NOS//NIB one on ebay for 1500, yeah, they are not the 5 USD a pack they used to be" and no wonder he goes nuts, but there are plenty of others who are happy or even grateful for these. Even on these pages there is a hardcore regular group, yet beside the general common factor "we all like classic bikes as a group" as individuals we differ, I personally sometimes differ even in my own opinions based on a certain bike/whatever object.

Another thing - referring to the speedbicycles article - what else would a seller say about the market than "it's not good enough?" Obviously, those delaers might have seen the golden days of this hobby, although they started in the late 2000's which was already the second half of 2000's "classic bike hype" as I call it, still they caught the last vawe. So because of this, complaining or living through their uncertanities of their future based on the days traffic they were asked is part of the job. But I would rather worry that CV is dead, when the "mostra cambio" or the L'Eroica would be canceled year after year for lack of interest. But even then I would expect it to return with an even bigger hype than before, if not for else then because of a current film, music band, "influencer", computer game or you name it makes it hyped again. Classic bikes and human love for nostalgia - to each of his/her own - are not like rare animals. When you see the headline that the last known example of its species died yesterday, you know its less likely will change. If you see the "Nostradamus predictions" on the world end or the love for nostalgia, chances are a lot better.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
The Roadeo is still around. And it is a drop bar bike in the loosest sense. Below is a build pic from Riv's site.
Bonus points for Riv's scare tactics in the description of the bike- they go into great detail with full fear mongering by comparing strong steel with fragile and suddenly failing carbon fiber.

What's the point of having a dropped bar if it is raised that high up??
Otherwi, that bike looks really nice.....
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Originally Posted by Chombi1
What's the point of having a dropped bar if it is raised that high up??
Otherwi, that bike looks really nice.....
Well, if you have to ask.....

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Exhibit B.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
The Roadeo is still around. And it is a drop bar bike in the loosest sense. Below is a build pic from Riv's site.
Bonus points for Riv's scare tactics in the description of the bike- they go into great detail with full fear mongering by comparing strong steel with fragile and suddenly failing carbon fiber.

this reminds me of the 1960's Schwinn Rams Horn handlebar.


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Originally Posted by repechage
this reminds me of the 1960's Schwinn Rams Horn handlebar.


I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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I have dropout alignment tools and just bought a frame alignment gauge. Probably useless with any other frame material except steel. But I’m stoked! I’ll pass these on to someone who can use them.
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Originally Posted by Chombi1
What's the point of having a dropped bar if it is raised that high up??
Otherwi, that bike looks really nice.....
I think it makes total sense. You can still get fairly aero with drop bars at or slightly above saddle height. Conventional logic is to set the hoods as low as you can tolerate and effectively delete the drop position for much use. High drop bars gives you cruisey positions on top and then a reasonable drops position to spend more time in. Even on that riv there's still bar-drop to the drops.
The drops are also where you have the most control for descending or technical riding, but most road fits just aren't comfortable or heads up enough to be there for it.
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Most of my bikes are set with the drops at top tube height. Playing football back when they taught to lead with your facemask and slide to a shoulder really screwed up some necks. Besides, everyone needs someone to draft behind, lol.
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Originally Posted by merziac
Jan has made several critical pivots recently.

BQ/Compass to BQ/Rene Herse.

BQ/Rene Herse to gravel tire supplier/sponsor to the stars.

Winning gravel tire supplier/sponsor to the stars.

He will follow this and the money wherever it can and will take him.

Ultimate, top of the line carbon frames are likely just the beginning.
Couldn't agree more. Check out his latest post saying this carbon bike is now the best all-road option. And that it doesn't need rack or fender capability. After endless hard selling of wider tires coupled with supporting lever action derailers, old school shoes, etc, this points to following the money as you've stated....
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In 1980 I ran into a belgian-block curb, went over the bars, knocked myself out, and cracked C6. I've had neck pain ever since, at times severe enough to keep me off the bike, but usually manageable with PT and anti-inflammatories (though I've had to cut back on those in the last year due to troubling kidney values). As a result, I need my bars at least level with the saddle or 1 or 2 cm higher. I really don't care how that might look to others, particularly those who care far more about aesthetics than actual riding.
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